Joe Miner Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Well, he's definitely no Paxton Lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 Here's Shaq being "sluggish" and showing no explosion. What a bum. https://twitter.com/Cover_1_/status/907969281371131904 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I agree with you. I am a huge Shaq fan. But I do think we have to get pass rush numbers to say "good first round pick". You might end up saying "good player for us but better guys went around him that year" otherwise. Let's put it this way: If Shaq doesn't become a 7-8 sack per year guy by the end of next season, his fifth year option will be declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I agree with you. I am a huge Shaq fan. But I do think we have to get pass rush numbers to say "good first round pick". You might end up saying "good player for us but better guys went around him that year" otherwise. The sack totals are not always reflective of effectiveness. If he is putting consistent pressure on the qb and he is containing the play on his side then he is doing his job. The failure rate for first round picks is high. Getting a good and responsible player is not something to fret over. He is not going to be an elite pass rusher but that doesn't mean that he won't be an effective player. I consider him to be a good draft selection with no regrets over the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 The sack totals are not always reflective of effectiveness. If he is putting consistent pressure on the qb and he is containing the play on his side then he is doing his job. The failure rate for first round picks is high. Getting a good and responsible player is not something to fret over. He is not going to be an elite pass rusher but that doesn't mean that he won't be an effective player. I consider him to be a good draft selection with no regrets over the pick. Honestly sometimes I'd rather a 1st round pick turn out to be solid instead of elite. If every 1st round turns out elite you can't pay them all. Nothing wrong with having a couple role players with medium salaries. Kind of weird thinking but that's how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Here's Shaq being "sluggish" and showing no explosion. What a bum. https://twitter.com/Cover_1_/status/907969281371131904 He doesn't demonstrate explosion on that play, he demonstrates strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 He doesn't demonstrate explosion on that play, he demonstrates strength. Explosion and strength is not mutually exclusive. If bursting into the backfield before the running back can reach the line of scrimmage isn't 'explosion' then we have entirely different definitions of the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Honestly sometimes I'd rather a 1st round pick turn out to be solid instead of elite. If every 1st round turns out elite you can't pay them all. Nothing wrong with having a couple role players with medium salaries. Kind of weird thinking but that's how I see it.[/n] Don't apologize for your weird line of reasoning! Your thinking may be weird to some but to me you are demonstrating your adroitness. You bring up a good point that hits at the core of what differentiates successful franchises from mediocre franchises in the cap system. It is the matching of salaries to talent. Smart organizations know how much to play players relative to their talent and they know how to balance out the roster from a cap standpoint. It's very complicated and tricky. The best way to manage in this financial system is having a good qb. By taking care of that position you can overcome your position deficiencies which all teams have to contend with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Explosion and strength is not mutually exclusive. If bursting into the backfield before the running back can reach the line of scrimmage isn't 'explosion' then we have entirely different definitions of the word. He doesn't "burst." He pushes his blocker over backwards and then falls over that blocker into the backfield. I'm not saying it wasn't a great play - it was. But it's not a play that demonstrates any kind of elite passrushing skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 He doesn't "burst." He pushes his blocker over backwards and then falls over that blocker into the backfield. I'm not saying it wasn't a great play - it was. But it's not a play that demonstrates any kind of elite passrushing skills. You have no idea what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 You have no idea what you're talking about. You're the poster child for ill-informed takes, Wayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Is it too early to begin running him out of town? I do so love a good tar and feathering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 He doesn't "burst." He pushes his blocker over backwards and then falls over that blocker into the backfield. I'm not saying it wasn't a great play - it was. But it's not a play that demonstrates any kind of elite passrushing skills. Just curious....do you know what power to speed conversion is as it applies to a DE's pass rush technique? And im not trying to embarris you.......I just want to understand your take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just curious....do you know what power to speed conversion is as it applies to a DE's pass rush technique? And im not trying to embarris you.......I just want to understand your take I do, but how is that relevant to describing the play depicted in that video clip? He pushes his man and then falls on top of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 I do, but how is that relevant to describing the play depicted in that video clip? He pushes his man and then falls on top of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 At his floor he is a good run defender average to below average pass rusher. Im fine with him playing first and second down as essentialy a rookie. Sacks are flashy but developing an everydown DE is hard to find too. I think by mid season he earns those passing down reps. He makes a few plays on first and second down on the qb he earns the money third and long. Right now loarax rushing is smart becauae he is a better pass rusher at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I do, but how is that relevant to describing the play depicted in that video clip? He pushes his man and then falls on top of him. Im not really talking about that specific play in particular to Shaq...just his overall play You dont get into the backfield like Shaq does if you dont have the power to speed ratio.......lets keep in mind here that he was hurt last year...this is really his first true rookie season. Gotta give him some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 Im not really talking about that specific play in particular to Shaq...just his overall play You dont get into the backfield like Shaq does if you dont have the power to speed ratio.......lets keep in mind here that he was hurt last year...this is really his first true rookie season. Gotta give him some time. Coach Tuesday thinks defensive linemen speed past OLinemen untouched like a cornerback blitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Coach Tuesday thinks defensive linemen speed past OLinemen untouched like a cornerback blitz. That is Jerry Hughes game Shaq Lawson is never going to be Jerry...their games are different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'm still waiting for the definitive answer to the burning question, "Is Stevie Johnson a #1 Receiver?" And you expect me to weigh in on Shaw Lawson already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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