billsbackto81 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I understand that this is just one persons opinion but you would think that someone who is compensated for his sports acumen have a little something called "knowledge". Here's his list of the 45 greatest LB's. http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000816217/gil-brandts-greatest-nfl-linebackers-of-alltime Scroll down to #23 where you will find our beloved Biscuit. I have no problem with the ranking as it seems about right but see if you notice the discrepancy listed. Also in his list of 45 greatest WR's of all time he omits HOF'er Andre Reed. I realize that I'm a Bills homer but I honestly can't think of 15-20 WR's before I get to Reed. Thoughts? Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I can't argue with anyone on that list. That's not the same as saying I can agree that other players shouldn't be on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 (edited) Enshrined in HOF? Alabama's HOF 2004. Not NFL HOF I didnt realize Ted Hendricks was so good. Four first team all-pro. Edited July 2, 2017 by Dragonborn10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I didn't disagree with that list as much as I disagreed with his list of top DE's of all time. Especially this: He has Michael Bennett ranked at 27th, ahead of Jared Allen (30), Dwight Freeney (29) and LC Greenwood (28). Allen had five Pro Bowls, four first-team All Pros, 2011 Defensive Player of the Year, Two-time NFL Sack Leader, 136 career sacks which is good for 11th on the all-time list. Also holds an NFL record for recording safeties with four. Freeney had seven Pro Bowls, three first team All Pros, 2005 AFC Defensive Player of the Year, Sack Leader for 2005, NFL 2000s All-Decade team, 122.5 career sacks. Greenwood had six Pro Bowls, two first team All Pros, four Super Bowl rings, voted to 1970s NFL All Decade team, 73.5 sacks in his career, led the Steelers in sacks for 6 straight seasons. And then there's Michael freaking Bennett: Two Pro Bowls (one Pro Bowl Defensive MVP, big whoop), one Super Bowl ring, 45.5 sacks over 8 seasons. That's an average of 6 sacks a season. I know Brandt has decades of experience but I don't think Bennett even belongs on this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I didnt realize Ted Hendricks was so good. Four first team all-pro.Hendricks was one of the smartest players in NFL history. A true difference maker in every facet of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 historical lists are stupid because of rule changes and advances in surgery/ rehab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Was Zach Thomas that good? Brian Urlacher was a tad overrated in my book...but nice to see Cornelius Bennett make the top 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I would think a noob with 35 posts shouldn't start threads, but that's jmo. There isn't a human alive with more knowledge of the NFL, past or present, than Gil Brandt. His memory is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's in My Blood Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Probably not his true honest opinion. He most likely threw in a few head scratchers to stir up conversation and generate clicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 2, 2017 Author Share Posted July 2, 2017 I would think a noob with 35 posts shouldn't start threads, but that's jmo. There isn't a human alive with more knowledge of the NFL, past or present, than Gil Brandt. His memory is amazing. Noob? LOL, just cause I'm new HERE doesn't necessarily make me a noob. Can't tell if your praise for Brant was sarcasm or not. But, anyone who doesn't know Bennett is not in the Hall or thinks Reed doesn't belong in the Top 45 WRs can't be too credible a source. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Gil is generally biased towards the cowgirls and other than that is pretty fair. Lists like the 45 best lbs are really hard and no matter who does it homers will be upset about one of theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Noob? LOL, just cause I'm new HERE doesn't necessarily make me a noob. Can't tell if your praise for Brant was sarcasm or not. But, anyone who doesn't know Bennett is not in the Hall or thinks Reed doesn't belong in the Top 45 WRs can't be too credible a source. JMO Posted Today, 03:43 PM Chandler#81, on 02 Jul 2017 - 2:32 PM, said: I would think a noob with 35 posts shouldn't start threads, but that's jmo. There isn't a human alive with more knowledge of the NFL, past or present, than Gil Brandt. His memory is amazing. Noob? LOL, just cause I'm new HERE doesn't necessarily make me a noob. Can't tell if your praise for Brant was sarcasm or not. But, anyone who doesn't know Bennett is not in the Hall or thinks Reed doesn't belong in the Top 45 WRs can't be too credible a source. JMO Well, some of this guys with high post counts think they run the board. It gets old after a while. I don't have a high post count as I lost my original screen name way back when the server was done over. I was going to Bills games at the old Rockpile when some of these people were in diapers & shook hands with many of the greats. Yet, I notice that many of these thread Nazis cope an attitude with other posters. Whether your new to the board or been a round a while, post away & have a fun time; that's what the board is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 ...it is one guy's opinion and a pretty good personnel guy at that....he's bound to miss somebody...Jesus, the guy is 84 and STILL well connected to the game......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Posted Today, 03:43 PM Chandler#81, on 02 Jul 2017 - 2:32 PM, said: I would think a noob with 35 posts shouldn't start threads, but that's jmo. There isn't a human alive with more knowledge of the NFL, past or present, than Gil Brandt. His memory is amazing. Noob? LOL, just cause I'm new HERE doesn't necessarily make me a noob. Can't tell if your praise for Brant was sarcasm or not. But, anyone who doesn't know Bennett is not in the Hall or thinks Reed doesn't belong in the Top 45 WRs can't be too credible a source. JMO Well, some of this guys with high post counts think they run the board. It gets old after a while. I don't have a high post count as I lost my original screen name way back when the server was done over. I was going to Bills games at the old Rockpile when some of these people were in diapers & shook hands with many of the greats. Yet, I notice that many of these thread Nazis cope an attitude with other posters. Whether your new to the board or been a round a while, post away & have a fun time; that's what the board is for. You may not be a noob, but why would you call a modertor a nazi? That's a real noob move IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I see ranked #43 is Chris Spielman, unless my eyes are getting real bad, doesn't that look like a picture of some black guy. Spielman looked pretty white to me the last time I saw him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Defensive tackles- Refrigerator Perry at 13? Brandon Williams, who has played 4 seasons at 27? Career totals of 4.5 sacks and 101 tackles? Marcell Dareus's numbers are far better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 I see ranked #43 is Chris Spielman, unless my eyes are getting real bad, doesn't that look like a picture of some black guy. Spielman looked pretty white to me the last time I saw him Are you looking at the right picture? They put the pictures above the names, which wasn't smart. Speilman is #54 in the Lions jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Ray Lewis not in the top 5 isn't good. Derrick Thomas was good, but he didn't help his team win a SB. What Lewis did in Baltimore with Ed Reed in 2000 was amazing. Nothing against Gil. The man knows his stuff and those lists have got to be hard to make. Ray Lewis is the best MLB to play in the last 25 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 i hate these lists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAKCruiser Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Ray Lewis not in the top 5 isn't good. Derrick Thomas was good, but he didn't help his team win a SB. What Lewis did in Baltimore with Ed Reed in 2000 was amazing. Nothing against Gil. The man knows his stuff and those lists have got to be hard to make. Ray Lewis is the best MLB to play in the last 25 years. Ed Reed wasn't in the league in 2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 You may not be a noob, but why would you call a modertor a nazi? That's a real noob move IMO. I never called anybody anything. Read my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Agree that DThomas is way too high and RayRay is too low. Overall list isn't too bad but there are a couple names that I wouldn't put there like Hugh Green and Zach Thomas. Oh yeah, !@#$ Buoniconti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 I never called anybody anything. Read my post. I read it. Twice. It may not have been as clever as you thought. I think it was pretty clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Gil Brandt has had an excellent career as a personnel guy. I feel comfortable guessing that he knows more about football and football players than anyone on this board. And yet... some of his position rankings are, let's say, idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Noob? LOL, just cause I'm new HERE doesn't necessarily make me a noob. Can't tell if your praise for Brant was sarcasm or not. But, anyone who doesn't know Bennett is not in the Hall or thinks Reed doesn't belong in the Top 45 WRs can't be too credible a source. JMO Yeah, I know people like you and I never have brain farts. We're just too perfect. Ray Lewis not in the top 5 isn't good. Derrick Thomas was good, but he didn't help his team win a SB. What Lewis did in Baltimore with Ed Reed in 2000 was amazing. Nothing against Gil. The man knows his stuff and those lists have got to be hard to make. Ray Lewis is the best MLB to play in the last 25 years. Lewis was terrific. But remember the years when his DTs were injured and he looked average and everyone said he was done? Great player but he was in a sensational situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsmystic Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 We can kill two birds with one stone here. On the one hand, the moderator has a point. There have been more dumb threads started here in the last six months than at any time I can remember (not necessarily saying this thread is one of them). Not sure why that is, but it definately makes me look far less and probably frustrates moderators far more. Second, Gil Brandt has been doing football evaluations since I can remember trying to read them- pretty sure he has more knowledge than any homer fans might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisonbreath123 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 I would think a noob with 35 posts shouldn't start threads, but that's jmo. There isn't a human alive with more knowledge of the NFL, past or present, than Gil Brandt. His memory is amazing. This ridiculous attitude is what keeps many "noob's" from posting on forum boards. Many think that because they have "xxxx" # of posts that they are more worthy than a new poster. There are some with huge posting #'s that just spew BS constantly and dont know their head from their arse. Others are great posters with a long history of thoughful and provacative posts and replies. What is it that makes you superior to those of us who like to read the content at this site and selectively reply ? I could argue that my families history of having season tix on the 47 yard line since 1960 (Yes, original season tix holder, less than 100 of us left) makes me an expert on all things Buffalo Bills but that's just silly. I think new blood is what keeps a forum healthy even if it upsets the grumpy old "Get offa my lawn" oldtimers Signed, 1960 "Noob" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 This ridiculous attitude is what keeps many "noob's" from posting on forum boards. Many think that because they have "xxxx" # of posts that they are more worthy than a new poster. There are some with huge posting #'s that just spew BS constantly and dont know their head from their arse. Others are great posters with a long history of thoughful and provacative posts and replies. What is it that makes you superior to those of us who like to read the content at this site and selectively reply ? I could argue that my families history of having season tix on the 47 yard line since 1960 (Yes, original season tix holder, less than 100 of us left) makes me an expert on all things Buffalo Bills but that's just silly. I think new blood is what keeps a forum healthy even if it upsets the grumpy old "Get offa my lawn" oldtimers Signed, 1960 "Noob" Maybe an exception could be made for "get offa my lawn noob oldtimers" like you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 I read it. Twice. It may not have been as clever as you thought. I think it was pretty clear.------------------- Well then, read it again. The Nazi comment was in response to my post, not part of my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Ray Lewis not in the top 5 isn't good. Derrick Thomas was good, but he didn't help his team win a SB. What Lewis did in Baltimore with Ed Reed in 2000 was amazing. Nothing against Gil. The man knows his stuff and those lists have got to be hard to make. Ray Lewis is the best MLB to play in the last 25 years. Ray Lewis was a dominant force and while Derrick Thomas was a beast at home when the o-line couldn't hear the snap count, he disappeared on the road. To be great you need consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 This ridiculous attitude is what keeps many "noob's" from posting on forum boards. Many think that because they have "xxxx" # of posts that they are more worthy than a new poster. There are some with huge posting #'s that just spew BS constantly and dont know their head from their arse. Others are great posters with a long history of thoughful and provacative posts and replies. What is it that makes you superior to those of us who like to read the content at this site and selectively reply ? I could argue that my families history of having season tix on the 47 yard line since 1960 (Yes, original season tix holder, less than 100 of us left) makes me an expert on all things Buffalo Bills but that's just silly. I think new blood is what keeps a forum healthy even if it upsets the grumpy old "Get offa my lawn" oldtimers Signed, 1960 "Noob" Settle down, noob. If I had it my way, you newbs wouldn't be allowed to post until you reached triple digit post count. You noobs are everything that's wrong with America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Ray Lewis was a dominant force and while Derrick Thomas was a beast at home when the o-line couldn't hear the snap count, he disappeared on the road. To be great you need consistency. Thomas was the big head scratchier for me. Lewis to me was such a force on the field. I feel like how good of a player Lewis was will always be diminished to some degree because of that night in Atl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisonbreath123 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Settle down, noob. If I had it my way, you newbs wouldn't be allowed to post until you reached triple digit post count. You noobs are everything that's wrong with America! Just guessing, but at some point you were probably an upstart noob who thought your posts (pre-100) were earth shattering. It seems like snobbery prevails here based on number of posts, not content. Have at it get off my lawn guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Check out his list of greatest corners of all time: http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000815951/gil-brandts-greatest-nfl-cornerbacks-of-all-time What's Malcolm Butler doing on that list ahead of some hall of famers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRBills Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Settle down, noob. If I had it my way, you newbs wouldn't be allowed to post until you reached triple digit post count. You noobs are everything that's wrong with America! So how should a noob reach a triple digit post count if they are not allowed to post prior to reaching said post count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Settle down, noob. If I had it my way, you newbs wouldn't be allowed to post until you reached triple digit post count. You noobs are everything that's wrong with America! I'd like to know how they're supposed to get to the triple digit post mark if you had it your way? We all have to start somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 So how should a noob reach a triple digit post count if they are not allowed to post prior to reaching said post count? First off I think he was being sarcastic. But to answer your question, you can reach 100 pretty quickly by quoting other posts with well thought out responses like "this," "agreed," and "+1" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share Posted July 3, 2017 Check out his list of greatest corners of all time: http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000815951/gil-brandts-greatest-nfl-cornerbacks-of-all-time What's Malcolm Butler doing on that list ahead of some hall of famers? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let me get this straight. Brant's 20th CB of all time is ranked ahead of HOF'ers though he's trade bait, fighting for a contract and playing second fiddle to Stephon Gilmore. ......GILMORE! Really! SMH.... It's official, he's clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Check out his list of greatest corners of all time: http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000815951/gil-brandts-greatest-nfl-cornerbacks-of-all-time What's Malcolm Butler doing on that list ahead of some hall of famers? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let me get this straight. Brant's 20th CB of all time is ranked ahead of HOF'ers though he's trade bait, fighting for a contract and playing second fiddle to Stephon Gilmore. ......GILMORE! Really! SMH.... It's official, he's clueless. I have to agree with you on that one. There's guys he overlooked that belong ahead of Butler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Add posts immediately, but take the time to familiarize yourself with the flow and ebb of the Board before starting threads. Just a suggestion, but it will help a lot when the Thread blasts the likely pre-eminent living authority on the NFL, calling him clueless. It makes you sound like your typing from your Mom's computer -and Clueless. Whether you're 16 or 66, if you're a thin-skinned cry-baby who can't let things go, you probably won't like it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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