Brock Osweiler

[stuvian]

He started one year in college and had twelve games as a Bronco before going to Houston. I am aware of how badly things looked for him as a Texan but I can't help thinking that at some price point he is a good contrarian play. I think that Houston saw him as a finished product which he wasn't. I believe in renaissance QBs when given the chance in the right system (Rich Gannon, Jim Plunkett, Randall Cunningham, Doug Flutie, Steve Young).

 

My question is at what price point does taking Brock Osweiler make sense? I believe he is salvageable and in time could be a competent QB along the lines of Matt Stafford.

 

If we are trading down we are essentially opting out of this QB class and would likely entertain such options along with AJ McCarron etc

[Wideright24]

Did you forget about Tyrod?

[Rodrigo Borgia]

[NoSaint]

If you wanted him as a backup project you have to wait for that contract to run its course

 

The browns got a pick just to take him because of it

[Rocky Landing]

He started one year in college and had twelve games as a Bronco before going to Houston. I am aware of how badly things looked for him as a Texan but I can't help thinking that at some price point he is a good contrarian play. I think that Houston saw him as a finished product which he wasn't. I believe in renaissance QBs when given the chance in the right system (Rich Gannon, Jim Plunkett, Randall Cunningham, Doug Flutie, Steve Young).

 

My question is at what price point does taking Brock Osweiler make sense? I believe he is salvageable and in time could be a competent QB along the lines of Matt Stafford.

 

If we are trading down we are essentially opting out of this QB class and would likely entertain such options along with AJ McCarron etc

How do you figure trading down is "opting out of this QB class?"

[YoloinOhio]

From what I hear, Browns are willing to take on 10 mill of his 16 mill gtd salary this year to trade him.

I'm not a brock fan but he does know the offense. If Dennison likes him I'm sure he let the team know.

[LeGOATski]

I don't think he's ever going to be good. Watched him a lot here in AZ and he looked just as bad in the pros. Should've improved by now if he's ever going to be good, I would think.

 

Flash in the pan.

Edited April 24, 2017 by LeGOATski

[Buffalo86]

The dude looked TERRIBLE last year. I'm not saying he could never get better, but still... TERRIBLE.

[stuvian]

How do you figure trading down is "opting out of this QB class?"

if you trade out of the first round you are opting out of this year's class with the possible exception of Kizer or Webb

[aristocrat]

So you're saying he could throw for 5,000 yards like stafford can? Have you seen this guy play? There is zero chance this guy is ever a winning qb in the nfl.

[Rocky Landing]

if you trade out of the first round you are opting out of this year's class with the possible exception of Kizer or Webb

You didn't mention trading out of the first round. If we traded down with Houston, for example, and took their 25th pick, it's not unlikely that two of the three- Mahommes, Watson, Kizer- would be available. But, even if we did trade out of the first round, one of those three, as well as Webb, Kaaya, and Peterman would likely be available as late as the third round.

 

Frankly, I would suspect that trading down would make it easier for us to draft a QB.

[stuvian]

You didn't mention trading out of the first round. If we traded down with Houston, for example, and took their 25th pick, it's not unlikely that two of the three- Mahommes, Watson, Kizer- would be available. But, even if we did trade out of the first round, one of those three, as well as Webb, Kaaya, and Peterman would likely be available as late as the third round.

 

Frankly, I would suspect that trading down would make it easier for us to draft a QB.

I don't disagree but trading out of round one entirely is tantamount to saying this year's QBs offer nothing. Trading into the bottom of round 1 should land us the likes of Mahomes, Webb or Kizer.

[Kirby Jackson]

Why do we want Osweiler again? We just got rid of a big guy that couldn't play QB. There is no need for another.

[stuvian]

Why do we want Osweiler again? We just got rid of a big guy that couldn't play QB. There is no need for another.

Not a question of want just a matter of whether a deal is sufficiently wothwhile

[JaCrispy]

So you're saying he could throw for 5,000 yards like stafford can? Have you seen this guy play? There is zero chance this guy is ever a winning qb in the nfl.

Agreed...Osweiler is the white version of EJ Manuel.

Edited April 24, 2017 by JaCrispy

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Why do we want Osweiler again? We just got rid of a big guy that couldn't play QB. There is no need for another.

....how do threads like this even happen?....good Lord..........are we THIS desperate??..............

[Kirby Jackson]

Not a question of want just a matter of whether a deal is sufficiently wothwhile

It's not

 

The contract alone makes him the hardest player in the league to move. That is the 1st trade that I can remember (in the NFL) where a team attached an asset to get rid of a guy. In addition to the horrible contract, he is a bad football player. If we are looking for a reclamation project I'd rather Kaep (and I don't want him). At least Kaep has played well at the NFL level.

[stuvian]

It's not

 

The contract alone makes him the hardest player in the league to move. That is the 1st trade that I can remember (in the NFL) where a team attached an asset to get rid of a guy. In addition to the horrible contract, he is a bad football player. If we are looking for a reclamation project I'd rather Kaep (and I don't want him). At least Kaep has played well at the NFL level.

don't disagree with anything you've said but if we opt out of this year's QB class we may need to look at long shots like Brock

[Kirby Jackson]

don't disagree with anything you've said but if we opt out of this year's QB class we may need to look at long shots like Brock

Why? He's significantly worse than what we currently have. We are looking for an upgrade (which is why we are opting out of this class). We'd be much better off trying to get that guy in 2018.

[stuvian]

Why? He's significantly worse than what we currently have. We are looking for an upgrade (which is why we are opting out of this class). We'd be much better off trying to get that guy in 2018.

if we can negotiate his contract down he wouldn't be a bad option. Did Dennison not coach him in Denver? I think we might be looking at a Rich Gannon / Jim Plunkett situation here where a guy can succeed in the right circumstances

[Paul Costa]

If Browns want the 10th pick I would take Josh Gordon and Osweiller (2 million)and the 12th pick.

[Kirby Jackson]

if we can negotiate his contract down he wouldn't be a bad option. Did Dennison not coach him in Denver? I think we might be looking at a Rich Gannon / Jim Plunkett situation here where a guy can succeed in the right circumstances

Most guys end up as Losman, Tebow and Manziel not Gannon and Plunkett. Osweiler isn't good at football. The more he has played the worse he has been. He should feel INCREDIBLY fortunate that he signed that contract. His play never warranted that. He will remain on a roster until it is financially reasonable to release him. He MAY catch on somewhere as a backup at that point. Otherwise, he will sit on a bench and collect a big check.

[JaCrispy]

If Browns want the 10th pick I would take Josh Gordon and Osweiller (2 million)and the 12th pick.

If i were the Bills I would require more in return...i don't ever foresee Gordon or Osweiler ever playing again...so basically we are losing value in our 1st round pick for nothing.

[TDRupp]

Coach McD places a high value in character and doing things well on and off the field and you think he would trade for those two?

 

Not. Happen. ing.

[Bangarang]

This may shock some people here but not all players, QBs especially, get better with time. He sucks. Time to accept it and try to raise the bar significantly higher.

If Browns want the 10th pick I would take Josh Gordon and Osweiller (2 million)and the 12th pick.

Such a horrible deal for us. Absolutely horrible.

[KD in CA]

I could see a team taking him on as a reclamation project once his contract is over, but that certainly shouldn't be the Bills. They have enough to worry about.

[H2o]

No thanks. He is where he deserves to be, Cleveland.

[Rocky Landing]

I don't disagree but trading out of round one entirely is tantamount to saying this year's QBs offer nothing. Trading into the bottom of round 1 should land us the likes of Mahomes, Webb or Kizer.

I'd be surprised if we didn't draft a QB at some point in the draft. My own worthless guess would be fifth round. Secretly (ok, not so secretly), I hope we sign Kelly as an UDFA.

[Mr. WEO]

It's not

 

The contract alone makes him the hardest player in the league to move. That is the 1st trade that I can remember (in the NFL) where a team attached an asset to get rid of a guy. In addition to the horrible contract, he is a bad football player. If we are looking for a reclamation project I'd rather Kaep (and I don't want him). At least Kaep has played well at the NFL level.

 

They did so to get rid of a terrible mistake---a mistake the Browns were happy to repeat (the booby prize of a 2nd round future pick is a joke). Now the Browns will offer another team 10 million to take him off their hands.

 

Why should the Bills line up at the idiot counter with these two teams?

[Ramza86]

He was pretty bad in Denver too...

 

He had a complete team in Denver and he made them look bad offensively.

 

and just lol at his play in Houston.

[nucci]

So you're saying he could throw for 5,000 yards like stafford can? Have you seen this guy play? There is zero chance this guy is ever a winning qb in the nfl.

I think some people just look at names. How could people want this guy? He has been a terrible QB so far

[PromoTheRobot]

I think some people just look at names. How could people want this guy? He has been a terrible QB so far

Yup. Hype dies hard.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

He was pretty bad in Denver too...

 

He had a complete team in Denver and he made them look bad offensively.

 

and just lol at his play in Houston.

Tim Tebow Version 2.0.

 

Wins 6 or 7 games in Denver and he's a winner.

 

Or should that be 3.0 because Cutler came out of Denver too.

[ALF]

Browns should play Brock this season and go for QB in 2018.

 

$16M for one more tank ,they can say they were trying, wink, wink

[PromoTheRobot]

Browns should play Brock this season and go for QB in 2018.

 

$16M for one more tank ,they can say they were trying, wink, wink

No no rebuilding! Only Buffalo teams tank.

[cba fan]

Facts: Browns lost 16 mill cap space and received a 2018 2nd, 2017 6th

Texans get 2017 4th.

 

For another team to absorb O's 16 mill cap hit then Browns need to ante up. Especially considering other teams caps are more valuable as they do not have the unlimited cap Browns have.

 

So team that takes Osweiler needs to get Browns 2017 3rd and give Browns a 2018 4th.

 

Nobody will do that. Neither the Browns or any team.

 

Browns acquired Osweiler for draft picks because they had cap space for sale. They don't want him. They already got the value they deserved with picks. No one wants any part of giving up cap space and picks for a waste QB. Just cut him already. Browns are operating under the folly that someone wants Osweiler as a player, he is just cap space now. Just like a NBA player who has effectively retired but his contract is traded as an expiring contract. Except Osweiler contract has no value like in NBA as cap works diff in NFL then NBA.

 

Why would Browns give up the draft pick value they just acquired for taking Osweiler cap hit to dump that cap hit on someone else whose cap space is more expensive to use since they have less? So is more valuable. Arguably Browns should give up more than the value they got from Texans for the explicit reason is other teams cap space is more valuable as they all have less of it.

 

If Browns do what the draft value and cap space indicate here then it is just a spinning wheel move or Browns lose more than they got from Texans for reasons mentioned above. Browns thinking is like an asshat right now, why did Browns get Osweiler at all? We all seen what they did. Do they think the rest of the league is stupid.???

 

This scenario is like watching two different ticket scalpers holding up signs right next to ea other outside Bills stadium: 1 says need tickets, 1 says selling tickets. They both need another sign saying "we are idiots"

Edited April 24, 2017 by cba fan

[Chandler#81]

Jim & Pat from NFLR claim he was a real d*** at Houston and they regret not doing more homework on his character. That they benched & dumped him after 1 season speaks volumes to that narrative.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

He essentially quit on his team when he was justifiably benched. That will turn him off of many of the better coaches/QB situations in the league.

[jr1]

he threw more INT in 2016 than Tyrod threw in 2015 and 2016 combined

[BuffaloBud420]

Osweiler>Taylor