Green Lightning Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 To be fair to Tyrod, he was abysmal. When they extended him, I had a twinge of "Fitz take 2." Sunday certaintly added to that fear. He's afraid to lead the receiver or to take a shot down field. Great recevers beat two deep safety coverage. And great QB's get them the ball. We don't have a QB that can do that. Right now I'm feeling we have a mobile Trent Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceWarMemorial Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 If Sammy is out for any length of time, this could very well be a top 5 team in the 2017 draft. Hopefully by then, Whaley will not have given away the rest of our picks. I'm Officially suggesting, we should have taken Mike Evans in the draft. Remember Yatil Green anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 (edited) To be fair to Tyrod, he was abysmal. When they extended him, I had a twinge of "Fitz take 2." Sunday certaintly added to that fear. He's afraid to lead the receiver or to take a shot down field. Great recevers beat two deep safety coverage. And great QB's get them the ball. We don't have a QB that can do that. Right now I'm feeling we have a mobile Trent Edwards. Based on his performance last season, this is not correct. To the contrary, it was the strength of his game. The hope is that yesterday is an exception based on what he showed previously. Edited September 13, 2016 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 To be fair to Tyrod, he was abysmal. When they extended him, I had a twinge of "Fitz take 2." Sunday certaintly added to that fear. He's afraid to lead the receiver or to take a shot down field. Great recevers beat two deep safety coverage. And great QB's get them the ball. We don't have a QB that can do that. Right now I'm feeling we have a mobile Trent Edwards. This is one strange post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 No you could see he had no anticipation. The Ravens announcers were even saying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhDozeBills Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) it is not unreasonable to assume that he would have had a better showing if Sammy was healthy. We all know that Sammy is a good player, and wr is a problem if they were all healthy. Woods imo has morphed into a strange player. I saw him throw a nice block yesterday but he looked like his balance was off on other plays. Almost like he was intox, falling around, etc. And with teams forced to double Watkins, one would think he would be open more than he appears to be. If Sammy is out for any length of time, this could very well be a top 5 team in the 2017 draft. Hopefully by then, Whaley will not have given away the rest of our picks. Yeah totally disagree here, Sammy was healthy for the game and sore after. No excuse at all for not going downfield and attempting more vertical passes. Tyrod and Roman can share equal blame here. Tyrod had opportunities to throw deep and chose not to, and Roman was late getting plays in which ruins the flow of the offense and doesn't allow time for audibles and examining defensive alignment. Edited September 13, 2016 by OhDozeBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Yeah totally disagree here, Sammy was healthy for the game and sore after. No excuse at all for not going downfield and attempting more vertical passes. Tyrod and Roman can share equal blame here. Tyrod had opportunities to throw deep and chose not to, and Roman was late getting plays in which ruins the flow of the offense and doesn't allow time for audibles and examining defensive alignment. No way, no blame on Roman at all today. Tyrod stunk out loud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) I'm Officially suggesting, we should have taken Mike Evans in the draft. Remember Yatil Green anybody? makes no difference if your qb find...well...anybody, really Edited September 13, 2016 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 it is not unreasonable to assume that he would have had a better showing if Sammy was healthy. We all know that Sammy is a good player, and wr is a problem if they were all healthy. Woods imo has morphed into a strange player. I saw him throw a nice block yesterday but he looked like his balance was off on other plays. Almost like he was intox, falling around, etc. And with teams forced to double Watkins, one would think he would be open more than he appears to be. If Sammy is out for any length of time, this could very well be a top 5 team in the 2017 draft. Hopefully by then, Whaley will not have given away the rest of our picks. Every team deals with injuries........The good teams win regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) To be fair to Tyrod, he was abysmal. When they extended him, I had a twinge of "Fitz take 2." Sunday certaintly added to that fear. He's afraid to lead the receiver or to take a shot down field. Great recevers beat two deep safety coverage. And great QB's get them the ball. We don't have a QB that can do that. Right now I'm feeling we have a mobile Trent Edwards. To be fair to Tyrod, I'm not sure he's afraid to take a shot downfield. I think sometimes he doesn't see past his 1st read. He certainly missed apparently even seeing wide open players several times - never looked that way. Edited September 13, 2016 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Taylor gets hurt and EJ comes in and leads us to the playoffs. Not sure if this was sarcasm but this team is NOT one player away from the playoffs, no matter who that player is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 They had all summer to think about this game. So frustrating So'd the Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 To be fair to Tyrod, he was abysmal. When they extended him, I had a twinge of "Fitz take 2." Sunday certaintly added to that fear. He's afraid to lead the receiver or to take a shot down field. Great recevers beat two deep safety coverage. And great QB's get them the ball. We don't have a QB that can do that. Right now I'm feeling we have a mobile Trent Edwards. With 26cb here... Tyrod is VERY accurate and made every throw last year. Including one of the best most consistent deep sideline balls we've seen. The issues I think are these 3: (1) he's not going to throw that deep sideline route with two deep rolled to Sammy.... And woods isn't getting open on that route (2) can't see the middle of the field. (3) it sure seems like the Ravens figured out something about half field reads or his # of progressions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 No offense Bill, but I don't think this is a good take. Watkins played a fine game and by all accounts from those at the game was open often. The offense ineptitude probably has more to do with not taking chances and playing into the defense, only taking what they give you. Also, not sure how to blame some of Taylor's sailing throws on Watkins. Taylor was just off yesterday. Let's hope that doesn't continue or this will be a long year. Edit: and now here's proof from the first offensive snap, WR at top, probably Woods, was wide open. I'm willing to bet there were guys wide open most of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 WR at top, probably Woods, was wide open. I'm willing to bet there were guys wide open most of the day. Go here: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass This is where that clip came from there are plenty of other to confirm your bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Colin Cowherd- "The Buffalo Bills are so idiotic they gave contract extensions to Ryan Fitzpatrick and TYrod Taylor in August. They don't even know what they are doing" When talking about how the best QB in the division that Brady had to compete against was Chad Pennington. He then went on to say we are clearly the 2nd worst team only behind the Brownies. ouch, that is rough Taylor gets hurt and EJ comes in and leads us to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsman623 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 To be fair to Tyrod, I'm not sure he's afraid to take a shot downfield. I think sometimes he doesn't see past his 1st read. He certainly missed apparently even seeing wide open players several times - never looked that way. It doesn't even look like he's going through reads on 90% of the passing plays. He latches onto one guy and either freaked out and dumped it off, scrambled, or through it to his one and only read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Go here: https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass This is where that clip came from there are plenty of other to confirm your bet Ouch. That really, really stings. He could've thrown for 300+. Easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Why does the undersized Taylor deserve better after that fiasco? I think your logic is flawed. Just because we screwed up the way we tried to deal with EJ (not convinced he'd have ended up that different) does not mean we should screw it up with Tyrod, just to be fair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Tyrod has slow eyes like EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I think your logic is flawed. Just because we screwed up the way we tried to deal with EJ (not convinced he'd have ended up that different) does not mean we should screw it up with Tyrod, just to be fair... I am not really suggesting that the Bills should make the same mistake with Taylor that they did with Manuel, just pointing out the disparity in how both fans and coaches appear to be treating the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I am not really suggesting that the Bills should make the same mistake with Taylor that they did with Manuel, just pointing out the disparity in how both fans and coaches appear to be treating the two. There is no argument from me with regards to the fact this organisation did not do everything in its power to put EJ in position to be successful. I think it is why you have fans around here who would still like to see him get another shot. Personally I think the book is closed and results are in on EJ and I see no merit in going back to him at this stage unless Tyrod gets injured. The Bills did a clever contract with Tyrod that basically bought them another year to decide with the chances that if he hits they have him tied down. We need to do as much evaluation this year as possible. Ideally all 16 games. I really hope that Sunday was just the occasion and return to Baltimore being too big for him because he was missing the chance to throw downfield to open guys often (he held the ball too long too which made an already tough day for the line harder) and pretty much all his checkdowns to Clay and the backs were thrown high and as a result were incomplete or required tough catches that removed YAC possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Just a question. Tyrod had that one insane/magic escape from being sacked, then threw a great ball to Clay, who then grabbed a bunch of extra yards and almost got the TD. Other than that, where was Clay the rest of the game? Was he that well covered? When Dray went down he was blocking more. Maybe he should have been chipping ? I did not notice it, but that was the report from one our more reliable sources here : ) And it made sense considering the pass rush There is no argument from me with regards to the fact this organisation did not do everything in its power to put EJ in position to be successful. I think it is why you have fans around here who would still like to see him get another shot. Personally I think the book is closed and results are in on EJ and I see no merit in going back to him at this stage unless Tyrod gets injured. The Bills did a clever contract with Tyrod that basically bought them another year to decide with the chances that if he hits they have him tied down. We need to do as much evaluation this year as possible. Ideally all 16 games. I really hope that Sunday was just the occasion and return to Baltimore being too big for him because he was missing the chance to throw downfield to open guys often (he held the ball too long too which made an already tough day for the line harder) and pretty much all his checkdowns to Clay and the backs were thrown high and as a result were incomplete or required tough catches that removed YAC possibilities. I wonder what he and Roman are talking about in regard to routes this week. Can Roman help him out ? As mentioned the plays were there IF Tyrod would get the ball out at the break and not after it. Timing the release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 When Dray went down he was blocking more. Maybe he should have been chipping ? I did not notice it, but that was the report from one our more reliable sources here : ) And it made sense considering the pass rush I wonder what he and Roman are talking about in regard to routes this week. Can Roman help him out ? First thing Roman needs to do is figure out what went wrong with the running game (and I think he will it is the thing he does best) that will slow the rushers and buy Tyrod a little extra time but he needs to make faster and better decisions in the pocket. He just has to. The couple of silly penalties aside and one matchup disaster that Rex rightly took on himself the defense was encouraging. If they can figure the run game out they can try and ease Tyrod back into some kind of ryhthm the next couple of games. I can't believe that at least in the short term Sunday will not do some damage to his confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Yikes. It would be nice if they drafted a QB who could actually read a defense instead of these project QBs. I don't want Whaley making that pick if Tyrod continues playing like he did Sunday. Rich boy ain't hungry no more. We just got fitzed again but worse, fitz could actually read defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 54 yards rushing + 11 yards Taylor means the OL needs to be healthy to have a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I am not really suggesting that the Bills should make the same mistake with Taylor that they did with Manuel, just pointing out the disparity in how both fans and coaches appear to be treating the two. He went to the probowl last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 First thing Roman needs to do is figure out what went wrong with the running game (and I think he will it is the thing he does best) that will slow the rushers and buy Tyrod a little extra time but he needs to make faster and better decisions in the pocket. He just has to. The couple of silly penalties aside and one matchup disaster that Rex rightly took on himself the defense was encouraging. If they can figure the run game out they can try and ease Tyrod back into some kind of ryhthm the next couple of games. I can't believe that at least in the short term Sunday will not do some damage to his confidence. Well that's an easy one. The Ravens didn't respect TT ability to beat them with his arm or his brain so they stacked the box more and more. It's going to happen more and more until TT proves he can adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Being fair to Tyrod, I thought the whole offense stunk. The performance by the OL was pathetic. They were't opening holes for the backs and weren't protecting Tyrod. Taylor checked down often due to pressure, and often got happy feet. Watching on TV, I can't tell if the WRs were getting open. But I could see they were often bunched together bringing several defenders into the same area and making yards-after-catch (if complete) impossible. Really makes me wonder about the play design and play calling. Tyrod sent out that "We're ready" message a couple days ago. It didn't look like anyone on the offense was ready. Some members of the Rex Sux crowd have said they want GRo to be the coach, thinking he'd hire a good DC. I wonder if that's still the dream after Sunday's abysmal showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Rich boy ain't hungry no more. We just got fitzed again but worse, fitz could actually read defenses ^ ^ ^ ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 No excuses for Tyrod. He had a very bad game. what a pile of crap....that protection prevented anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I think Tyrod was to excited about playing in Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 what a pile of crap....that protection prevented anything Is this opinion based on watching the game & All-22? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Is this opinion based on watching the game & All-22? That first one on twitter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 No offense Bill, but I don't think this is a good take. Watkins played a fine game and by all accounts from those at the game was open often. The offense ineptitude probably has more to do with not taking chances and playing into the defense, only taking what they give you. Also, not sure how to blame some of Taylor's sailing throws on Watkins. Taylor was just off yesterday. Let's hope that doesn't continue or this will be a long year. Edit: and now here's proof from the first offensive snap, Agree here. I said Taylor will have to lead this team this year for success. He did the opposite of that Sunday. To me the seam was wide open and probably would of went for 6 cause the safety would of never got back in time. You can't progress as a QB until you can see the whole field. Let's see what he does Thursday night. He doesn't improve big time it's fat lady boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Agree here. I said Taylor will have to lead this team this year for success. He did the opposite of that Sunday. To me the seam was wide open and probably would of went for 6 cause the safety would of never got back in time. You can't progress as a QB until you can see the whole field. Let's see what he does Thursday night. He doesn't improve big time it's fat lady boys. Totally disagree that play would've been 6. Woods would've stepped on the sideline. Admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I think our biggest issue is we are weighted too heavily on defense and not enough on offensive coaching. We essentially have 3 defensive coordinators and Roman is on his own with the keys to a really talented offense that he seems to be mismanaging. Look at our roster, we are not built to be a ground and pound team which is Romans system. We have speed. A quick qb, shifty runners, speed receivers etc. This a run and shoot, create space and let TT improvise roster. I am always against mid season coaching changes but if I were Rex I'd have Roman go to the press conference after any game we scored less than 20 points and take the tough questions. And I would demand he call more aggressive packages/plays on offense, including giving Tyrod more leeway for line audibles. We are too tight and playing the wrong game for our personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I think our biggest issue is we are weighted too heavily on defense and not enough on offensive coaching. We essentially have 3 defensive coordinators and Roman is on his own with the keys to a really talented offense that he seems to be mismanaging. Look at our roster, we are not built to be a ground and pound team which is Romans system. We have speed. A quick qb, shifty runners, speed receivers etc. This a run and shoot, create space and let TT improvise roster. I am always against mid season coaching changes but if I were Rex I'd have Roman go to the press conference after any game we scored less than 20 points and take the tough questions. And I would demand he call more aggressive packages/plays on offense, including giving Tyrod more leeway for line audibles. We are too tight and playing the wrong game for our personnel. Audibles??? Are you kidding? This guy can't even take a piss without someone telling him to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I think our biggest issue is we are weighted too heavily on defense and not enough on offensive coaching. We essentially have 3 defensive coordinators and Roman is on his own with the keys to a really talented offense that he seems to be mismanaging. Look at our roster, we are not built to be a ground and pound team which is Romans system. We have speed. A quick qb, shifty runners, speed receivers etc. This a run and shoot, create space and let TT improvise roster. I am always against mid season coaching changes but if I were Rex I'd have Roman go to the press conference after any game we scored less than 20 points and take the tough questions. And I would demand he call more aggressive packages/plays on offense, including giving Tyrod more leeway for line audibles. We are too tight and playing the wrong game for our personnel. I believe Roman gets input from Chris Palmer and Kromer on how to attack defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I believe Roman gets input from Chris Palmer and Kromer on how to attack defenses. I wish they would pass that info along to TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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