dubs Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I agree that we didn't use him right. I said throughout the last two seasons that he is the prototype 3rd down back and everyone here would say "...but Fred's blocking...spiller can't block". Drove me nuts. I guarantee spiller ups his reputation hugely this year. The saints will use him correctly and he will be the guy that Brees points to after the saints win the division. Class guy and I couldn't be happier for him that he's going to be able to do what he does best. He was a horrible blocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Spiller doesn't have great vision. On the other hand, he's a remarkable athlete. I think Payton will know how to use him and CJ will be very productive this year. And because I like CJ, I hope I'm right. Bucky Brooks, after talking to some NFL colleagues, rated Roman the 6th best OC in the NFL. Yet, I'm not sure Roman could use CJ effectively as Payton. We're probably better off with Shady no matter how many all-purpose yards CJ gets with NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 A superstar? Sure. Until he gets Drew Brees killed and then he'll be run out of New Orleans faster than the British. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I would gladly take odds on the less safe bet if you have them. Spiller got paroled from a crappy offensive coaching staff to one of the best in the NFL. It sucks because he is a great dude but the McCoy trade was the best thing to ever happen to his career. Payton, who has had real success in the NFL, caters to his players' strengths. Crazy concept I know. Spiller is the best all around rb Payton has ever had. Sproles was a bit player before NO. Barring injury, a real concern for Spiller, he will have a monster year. And it will be another strike against what a joke our offense was under Marrone. Ha, yes, I'm well aware of your opinion on this issue. Sproles was really good in SD. Also Philly. Sproles is a much better player than CJ. Biscuit can point to all the stats he wants, but I've watched the two guys play. It's not close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I liked Spiller as well, just never lived up to the 7th overall pick level, probably mostly due to coaching and use. However, he was NEVER an every down back, o Seemed to get banged up a lot, and never really carried much of a load. o He did have the one good season under Gailey. Great in space, but didn't seem to break a lot of tackles. o Didn't have good field vision it seemed to me, and ran out of bounds a lot. IMO He did seem to catch very well, and was a really good 3rd down option. But SUPERSTAR? Not really seeing that. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13203/cj-spiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Ha, yes, I'm well aware of your opinion on this issue. This could be the auto response to almost everything on this board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Nfl.com suggests Spiller will enter the upper echelon of talent this year. It wouldn't surprise me as our coaching staff had zero clue as to how to use him. In fact it's amazing that Hackett has a job at all. Still, as I root for the dude to do well, it will be bittersweet if this happens. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000498478/article/the-superstar-club-in-2015-who-arrives-who-leaves Just a speculative piece of writing. I have never thought that highly of Spiller. He had one good season in Buffalo. He is a fast role player not an every down back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I think he will be the Reggie Bush/Sproles back for that offense and be very successful at it. They still have Ingram as the power back and I think they want to keep Spiller healthy and fresh in a passing down role. As far as superstar I don't think he can handle a full time work load and the Saints won't give him the touches needed to put up !@#$ed up stats. But they will give him enough opportunity to be a potent weapon in that offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I liked Spiller as well, just never lived up to the 7th overall pick level, probably mostly due to coaching and use. However, he was NEVER an every down back, o Seemed to get banged up a lot, and never really carried much of a load. o He did have the one good season under Gailey. Great in space, but didn't seem to break a lot of tackles. o Didn't have good field vision it seemed to me, and ran out of bounds a lot. IMO He did seem to catch very well, and was a really good 3rd down option. But SUPERSTAR? Not really seeing that. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13203/cj-spiller You're right. CJ isn't very powerful and doesn't break a lot of tackles. But that one year, he did successfully run away from a lot of tackles. I'm sure Payton's plan will be to get CJ into space and I think Payton's bright enough to figure out how to do it. CJ won't be among the rushing leaders. But he might be among the leaders in all-purpose yards if they use him on returns and he stays healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 You're right. CJ isn't very powerful and doesn't break a lot of tackles. But that one year, he did successfully run away from a lot of tackles. I'm sure Payton's plan will be to get CJ into space and I think Payton's bright enough to figure out how to do it. CJ won't be among the rushing leaders. But he might be among the leaders in all-purpose yards if they use him on returns and he stays healthy. If. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Ha, yes, I'm well aware of your opinion on this issue. Also Philly. Sproles is a much better player than CJ. Biscuit can point to all the stats he wants, but I've watched the two guys play. It's not close. Haha. Shocking one of Marrone's biggest defenders tries to put down Spiller. I love the whole stats don't count argument when someone can't prove anything. But Sean Payton and Chip Kelly are thought of on the same level as Doug Marrone around the league as elite offensive coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 You're right. CJ isn't very powerful and doesn't break a lot of tackles. But that one year, he did successfully run away from a lot of tackles. I'm sure Payton's plan will be to get CJ into space and I think Payton's bright enough to figure out how to do it. CJ won't be among the rushing leaders. But he might be among the leaders in all-purpose yards if they use him on returns and he stays healthy. I think you're right. He averaged 10.7 yards/rec in 2012, which seems crazy to me for a back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Mrags says that this will be his breakout season.... Thinks he will become an all around back and possibly lead the league in yards and/or touchdowns.... Just thought you guys would be pleased to hear that he's come around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Haha. Shocking one of Marrone's biggest defenders tries to put down Spiller. I love the whole stats don't count argument when someone can't prove anything. But Sean Payton and Chip Kelly are thought of on the same level as Doug Marrone around the league as elite offensive coaches. Prove. There's that word again. As if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) I hope he leads the Saints to 4 wins over the AFC south this year. Edited June 24, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 He was a horrible blocker. Bull crap! He wasn't great his rookie year, but he improved mightily. Few featured RBs are good at blocking in the NFL when they first get there. Maroon let him get back on the field AFTER HE BROKE HIS !@#$ING COLLAR BONE! Sweet Jesus, if YOU had a broken collar bone you wouldn't block for **** either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Nfl.com suggests Spiller will enter the upper echelon of talent this year. It wouldn't surprise me as our coaching staff had zero clue as to how to use him. In fact it's amazing that Hackett has a job at all. Still, as I root for the dude to do well, it will be bittersweet if this happens. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000498478/article/the-superstar-club-in-2015-who-arrives-who-leaves Could be. He was stuck with the team during RCW's last years when all the coaches were 2nd tier lame ducks.. timing is everything. I just hope the Eric Wood's and Fred Jacksons of the world get to taste some top tier NFL action before they are done.. they have wasted their NFL careers so far while the franchise was in a holding pattern waiting for stable/committed ownership, but they have some time left.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 If anything can draw Mrags out of hiding, it's this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Class act and likable guy. Just not the type of RB that wins you games. Sure he'll break an 80 yard run once every few games, and on 3rd and 1 he'll get you negative 2 because he bounces outside after running into the guard. He was never in on third down because he couldn't pick up a blitz. It's funny how people always bring up how he was misused. True when you tried to use him like a running back, it doesn't work. He is a sweep and screen/swing pass guy. That's it. Good defenses bottled him up pretty well. if your o line isn't mobile or your opponent sets the edge cj is a pretty pedestrian player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Mrags says that this will be his breakout season.... Thinks he will become an all around back and possibly lead the league in yards and/or touchdowns....Just thought you guys would be pleased to hear that he's come around... Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Payton will use CJ properly. CJ will look good. CJ will get injured. Well, always next year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Bull crap! He wasn't great his rookie year, but he improved mightily. Few featured RBs are good at blocking in the NFL when they first get there. Maroon let him get back on the field AFTER HE BROKE HIS !@#$ING COLLAR BONE! Sweet Jesus, if YOU had a broken collar bone you wouldn't block for **** either. Broken collar bone here? http://www.patriots.com/video/2014/12/28/highlight-q2-kyle-orton-fumbles-patriots-recover Let it rain down from the mountaintops. http://www.patriots.com/video/2014/12/28/highlight-q2-kyle-orton-fumbles-patriots-recover http://www.patriots.com/video/2014/12/28/highlight-q2-kyle-orton-fumbles-patriots-recover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) Broken collar bone here? http://www.patriots.com/video/2014/12/28/highlight-q2-kyle-orton-fumbles-patriots-recover Let it rain down from the mountaintops. http://www.patriots.com/video/2014/12/28/highlight-q2-kyle-orton-fumbles-patriots-recover http://www.patriots.com/video/2014/12/28/highlight-q2-kyle-orton-fumbles-patriots-recover doh! That's the CJ we know. I doubt the Saints will be depending on him to block, if they are smart. Edited June 24, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I will root for him no matter whom the Bachelorette picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Bull crap! He wasn't great his rookie year, but he improved mightily. Few featured RBs are good at blocking in the NFL when they first get there. Maroon let him get back on the field AFTER HE BROKE HIS !@#$ING COLLAR BONE! Sweet Jesus, if YOU had a broken collar bone you wouldn't block for **** either. I hope it doesn't happen, but if he were to get hurt, maybe the Saints would leave our FA's alone for a change! Last year didn't go too well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Ha, yes, I'm well aware of your opinion on this issue. Also Philly. Sproles is a much better player than CJ. Biscuit can point to all the stats he wants, but I've watched the two guys play. It's not close. This is about right. Spiller was never comparable to Sproles. Spiller isn't going to be a superstar next season. He will unlikely play 16 games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Payton will use CJ properly. CJ will look good. CJ will get injured. Well, always next year! Hate to say it, but I see this as well, too bad. Good luck though, CJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I'm rooting for Hackett too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 i know this makes me a jerk and a crumby fan, but i dont really want to see him do well. Why? It's our boneheaded coaching staff (with the exception of Chan) that didn't know how to utilize him. Blame the coaches, not CJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Malooga Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Nfl.com suggests Spiller will enter the upper echelon of talent this year. It wouldn't surprise me as our coaching staff had zero clue as to how to use him. In fact it's amazing that Hackett has a job at all. Still, as I root for the dude to do well, it will be bittersweet if this happens. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000498478/article/the-superstar-club-in-2015-who-arrives-who-leaves They also said last year that Stephon Gilmore would enter the conversation with Revis, Sherman and Peterson. It wasn't just Marrone and Hackett who had no clue how to use him, it was every coach he ever had in Buffalo. Alonso was our biggest loss this off season and we will rue the day we did that trade.The defense IMPROVED without Kiko Alonso and his glass knees. Nigel Bradham is, always was and always will be the better NFL LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Spiller meant a hell of a lot more to the Bills than Alonso could even dream of. I hope Spiller has an MVP-type year. Alonso ... Will never amount to anything, although I wish him no ill will. He will always hold the titles of Most Over-Hyped and Most Overrated Bills of all time. So he's got that. Would have to agree wholeheartedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Bull crap! He wasn't great his rookie year, but he improved mightily. Few featured RBs are good at blocking in the NFL when they first get there. Maroon let him get back on the field AFTER HE BROKE HIS !@#$ING COLLAR BONE! Sweet Jesus, if YOU had a broken collar bone you wouldn't block for **** either. I don't think so. I like Spiller a lot, but just being honest about him. He's really a terrible blocker. But I do agree that if I had a broken collar bone I wouldn't be blocking 250lb linebackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 @RQUINN619: CJ Spiller had 78 carries for 300 yards last year. 122 of those yards (40.7%) came on just 3 of those carries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) @RQUINN619: CJ Spiller had 78 carries for 300 yards last year. 122 of those yards (40.7%) came on just 3 of those carries.Quinn's homework assignment: what percentage of yards do most backs get on their top 5% of carries? What's spiller done in past years? Talk about an obscure stat that's worthless without context to benchmark it to Edited June 25, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Nfl.com suggests Spiller will enter the upper echelon of talent this year. It wouldn't surprise me as our coaching staff had zero clue as to how to use him. In fact it's amazing that Hackett has a job at all. Still, as I root for the dude to do well, it will be bittersweet if this happens. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000498478/article/the-superstar-club-in-2015-who-arrives-who-leaves I seriously doubt it, but if anyone can do it it's Peyton. Edited June 25, 2015 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Quinn's homework assignment: what percentage of yards do most backs get on their top 5% of carries? What's spiller done in past years? Talk about an obscure stat that's worthless without context to benchmark it to Nosaint you've piqued my interest. I think this would be worthwile data to look at. I would like to see a histogram of CJ's carries versus the typical back. I would imagine CJ's median is much lower than someone like Sproles. On that same note I think the data sets on CJ's carries under Gailey and under Marrone would be great to look at as well (and probably more relevant to TBD discussions). Anyone know where this data would exist? Edited June 25, 2015 by YattaOkasan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Lolz at the Spiller haters. Get your last shots in. Not as good as sproles ? Time to calibrate those eye tests. Not gonna be much talking when Spillers catching screens and ripping it up for fantasy owners next year. Lock it down ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Lolz at the Spiller haters. Get your last shots in. Not as good as sproles ? Time to calibrate those eye tests. Not gonna be much talking when Spillers catching screens and ripping it up for fantasy owners next year. Lock it down ! I've been told to "lock down" Spiller dominating fantasy for 3 years in a row. Fool me 3 times? Quinn's homework assignment: what percentage of yards do most backs get on their top 5% of carries? What's spiller done in past years? Talk about an obscure stat that's worthless without context to benchmark it to It's not worthless in the sense that the guy is almost as half as effective as he appears to be. Edited June 25, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) I've been told to "lock down" Spiller dominating fantasy for 3 years in a row. Fool me 3 times? It's not worthless in the sense that the guy is almost as half as effective as he appears to be. You've nailed the knee jerk reaction he was going for Whether you've been completely duped into buying total junk or only kind of manipulated into using questionable stuff that suits your desires..... 78 carries is a small sample, came in questionable scheme, carried injury effects and still has no benchmarking. Obviously any back gets far more than 5% of his yards on their top 5% of carries and I would think despite your over the top campaigns you would acknowledge your last statement as hyperbole at best and intentionally misrepresenting a stat at worst. Just for curiousity sake-- Lesean McCoy has 47 runs over 20 yards- many of those 40+..... If you stab randomly that those 47 average out to 30 yards each that's nearly 1500 yards on under 3% of his career carries as a really quick and dirty bar napkin guesstimate One year he had 5 runs of 40+ and only produced 1080 yards. That's a 200 carry year. Edited June 25, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 You've nailed the knee jerk reaction he was going for Whether you've been completely duped into buying total junk or only kind of manipulated into using questionable stuff that suits your desires..... 78 carries is a small sample, came in questionable scheme, carried injury effects and still has no benchmarking. Obviously any back gets far more than 5% of his yards on their top 5% of carries and I would think despite your over the top campaigns you would acknowledge your last statement as hyperbole at best and intentionally misrepresenting a stat at worst. I think most backs get more than 5% of their yards on 5% of their carries. I don't think most good backs get 40% of their yards on 5% of their carries. As to my hyperbole, the stat merely reiterates what I've argued to death about CJ Spiller. He is the definition of inconsistent as a running back. Getting 40% of your yards on 3 carries is NOT good as an RB. It makes you a weapon to be used sparingly. He is unable to grind out any sort of significant positive yardage. And that doesn't even touch upon his inability to block any defender, his low football IQ and poor vision. At the end of the day, he's a below average football player with great physical gifts. He will be unemployed or one of the worst RB's in the NFL when he loses a "step." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts