Levitre About To Lose His Starting Spot?

[C.Biscuit97]

When the less than average NFL fan can tell that the contingency plan is a bunch of malarkey can it really be called a contingency plan?

In fairness, most fans didn't think much of Reinhart or Urbik when they signed and became solid starters.

[KollegeStudnet]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5310/andy-levitre

 

Maybe, if cut... He'll come back to the Buffalo Bullies

[Kelly the Dog]

Levitre all but benched it appears.

 

Has been running with the second team for several days.

 

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/titansinsider/2015/08/20/5-quick-observations-thursdays-titans-practice/32053973/

 

Rotoworld saying he is becoming a "mega-bust."

[Malazan]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5310/andy-levitre

 

Maybe, if cut... He'll come back to the Buffalo Bullies

 

Why? He's a bigger tire fire than what the BIlls put out there last season.

[Nihilarian]

I will. It wasn't levitre. Is was the contingency plan that didn't happen.

[IDBillzFan]

Levitre all but benched it appears.

 

Has been running with the second team for several days.

 

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/titansinsider/2015/08/20/5-quick-observations-thursdays-titans-practice/32053973/

 

Rotoworld saying he is becoming a "mega-bust."

 

Yikes. I completely forgot how much money they paid him. Brutal for the Titans.

[Utah John]

Chad Rinehart was released by the Chargers in March of this year, a year after signing a new 2-year contract with the Chargers, and two years after initially signing with them. Did he lose it so quickly that no other team wanted him?

 

I thought his departure was a bad thing for the Bills, with Levitre leaving at the same time. Rinehart was a versatile, dependable player.

[Utah John]

More on other guards: The Jets had Oday Aboushi suspended for one game for pot possession. There's talk that he could be cut because he doesn't fit Bowles' scheme, but that he did great under the previous coach.

 

Hmmmm.

Edited August 20, 2015 by Utah John

[Wing Man]

Even if Levitre is losing his starting spot, that's one hell of a career for a guy we cavalierly let get away. You won't get a lot of arguments that it was one of the top 10 stupid decisions of the 15 year drought.

[Kelly the Dog]

Even if Levitre is losing his starting spot, that's one hell of a career for a guy we cavalierly let get away. You won't get a lot of arguments that it was one of the top 10 stupid decisions of the 15 year drought.

I think most fans here said that is why too much to pay for him and no way we should pay that and it sucks but good riddance. Not many thought that was a big mistake as I recall. Not replacing him was another story but I didn't think anyone thought we should pay him the 50 m he could get.

[QB Bills]

Even if Levitre is losing his starting spot, that's one hell of a career for a guy we cavalierly let get away. You won't get a lot of arguments that it was one of the top 10 stupid decisions of the 15 year drought.

can't tell if that's sarcastic....if so, kudos

 

anyway, i'll eat crow on this one...i thought it was a bad move not paying him

[3rdand12]

I will. It wasn't levitre. Is was the contingency plan that didn't happen.

So the Legursky project didn't cut it for you? Well at least they fixed it with C Williams. Oh wait..

Richardson.. not yet ?

Richie. Thats should fix it.

It was time for Andy to leave and you are correct. It was the lack of good planning that exacerbated the situation.

Except they're walking-wounded. They'd be better off in the infirmary.

Is there room for them even at the official Bills MASH unit?

[John from Riverside]

Just when our OG play appears to have improved......guys I actually used to like are are getting benched for other teams

[3rdand12]

More on other guards: The Jets had Oday Aboushi suspended for one game for pot possession. There's talk that he could be cut because he doesn't fit Bowles' scheme, but that he did great under the previous coach.

 

Hmmmm.

Incoming Jets!

[BADOLBILZ]

They really, really, REALLY missed Levitre that first year.

 

Worst LG play in the league missed.

 

Game-losing-because-of missed.

 

Last year wasn't much better and they paid 3 veteran FA's to replace Levitre to boot.

 

Having to pay free agents is the COST of not properly evaluating and replenishing talent.

 

If you pass on paying one of your own best players and then end up with terrible play at that position............you lost.

 

The fact that his play has been in decline is basically cherry picking trying to find some satisfaction in a series of events that includes extending Eric Wood and having him turn into a bad center and signing Chris Williams.

[Kelly the Dog]

They really, really, REALLY missed Levitre that first year.

 

Worst LG play in the league missed.

 

Game-losing-because-of missed.

 

Last year wasn't much better and they paid 3 veteran FA's to replace Levitre to boot.

 

Having to pay free agents is the COST of not properly evaluating and replenishing talent.

 

If you pass on paying one of your own best players and then end up with terrible play at that position............you lost.

 

The fact that his play has been in decline is basically cherry picking trying to find some satisfaction in a series of events that includes extending Eric Wood and having him turn into a bad center and signing Chris Williams.

You would have paid Levitre $50m?

[QCity]

They really, really, REALLY missed Levitre that first year.

 

Worst LG play in the league missed.

 

Game-losing-because-of missed.

 

Last year wasn't much better and they paid 3 veteran FA's to replace Levitre to boot.

 

Having to pay free agents is the COST of not properly evaluating and replenishing talent.

 

If you pass on paying one of your own best players and then end up with terrible play at that position............you lost.

 

The fact that his play has been in decline is basically cherry picking trying to find some satisfaction in a series of events that includes extending Eric Wood and having him turn into a bad center and signing Chris Williams.

 

Yeah, I bet they are jumping for joy in Tennessee right now. I sure wish we had a backup guard with an $8.6M cap hit.

 

For those that want to reminisce Levitre: Hasn't heard anything from the Bills yet

[BADOLBILZ]

You would have paid Levitre $50m?

 

C'mon dude you know Levitre didn't get paid $50M.

 

Levitre signing bonus in 2013.......$10.5M

 

Eric Wood signing bonus in 2013.....$9M

 

Bill from NYC has laid this out a million times.

 

Can't even fathom why this is contract is still considered some major dodged-bullet.

 

Levitre's contract was basically a 2 year gamble on a guy who at the time was considered one of the 2-3 best players at his position in the league.

 

Add in Chris Williams signing bonus in 2014.......$5.5M

 

I mean........you guys are just wrong.

[K-9]

Levitre all but benched it appears.

 

Has been running with the second team for several days.

 

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/titansinsider/2015/08/20/5-quick-observations-thursdays-titans-practice/32053973/

 

Rotoworld saying he is becoming a "mega-bust."

He was a half guard when he was here and he became less of a half guard there. He more than anyone benefited from Gailey's design and Fitz's ability to get it out in 2 ticks or less.

 

Best money we never spent.

 

GO BILLS!!!

Edited August 20, 2015 by K-9

[Kelly the Dog]

 

C'mon dude you know Levitre didn't get paid $50M.

 

Levitre signing bonus in 2013.......$10.5M

 

Eric Wood signing bonus in 2013.....$9M

 

Bill from NYC has laid this out a million times.

 

Can't even fathom why this is contract is still considered some major dodged-bullet.

 

Levitre's contract was basically a 2 year gamble on a guy who at the time was considered one of the 2-3 best players at his position in the league.

 

Add in Chris Williams signing bonus in 2014.......$5.5M

 

I mean........you guys are just wrong.

He got 13m guaranteed. And it doesnt matter what his first two years were, he wasn't going to sign for anything much less than his market value, which was 6-47m. You could not have signed him to a 2 year contract. You would have had to give him something like what he got. At least 5-40 with 20 mil in first two years.

[GunnerBill]

He got 13m guaranteed. And it doesnt matter what his first two years were, he wasn't going to sign for anything much less than his market value, which was 6-47m. You could not have signed him to a 2 year contract. You would have had to give him something like what he got. At least 5-40 with 20 mil in first two years.

Correct.

[BADOLBILZ]

He got 13m guaranteed. And it doesnt matter what his first two years were, he wasn't going to sign for anything much less than his market value, which was 6-47m. You could not have signed him to a 2 year contract. You would have had to give him something like what he got. At least 5-40 with 20 mil in first two years.

 

$10.5M signing bonus and $9M salary first two years.

 

$9.75M per for 2 years if it didn't work out.

 

Hence a two year contract.

 

This was much discussed at the signing.

 

Sometimes teams do things like that to fill a dire need.

 

Like teams with the worst LG play in the NFL.

 

Case in point.......Bills paying Chris Williams $7.5M to play guard for one season.

 

Well maybe not a WHOLE season. A couple games.

 

Apparently it's a case of mind over matter.......if you don't mind WHO they paid......it doesn't matter to you.

[atlbillsfan1975]

 

C'mon dude you know Levitre didn't get paid $50M.

 

Levitre signing bonus in 2013.......$10.5M

 

Eric Wood signing bonus in 2013.....$9M

 

Bill from NYC has laid this out a million times.

 

Can't even fathom why this is contract is still considered some major dodged-bullet.

 

Levitre's contract was basically a 2 year gamble on a guy who at the time was considered one of the 2-3 best players at his position in the league.

 

Add in Chris Williams signing bonus in 2014.......$5.5M

 

I mean........you guys are just wrong.

Who the heck considered Levitre one of the 2-3 best guards ?! You his agent and himself?! Ha

Levitre's greatest asset was his ability to stay healthy, versatility, and Chan as his OC. He was not a great guard by any stretch of the imagination. He was average to slightly above average.

[NoSaint]

Who the heck considered Levitre one of the 2-3 best guards ?! You his agent and himself?! Ha

Levitre's greatest asset was his ability to stay healthy, versatility, and Chan as his OC. He was not a great guard by any stretch of the imagination. He was average to slightly above average.

He was considered by most here to be a guy on the edge of the pro bowl and possible he could cross that threshold soon.

[boyst]

He was considered by most here to be a guy on the edge of the pro bowl and possible he could cross that threshold soon.

and here, in chan's system he was. he was mobile, agile and could move his hips.

[BADOLBILZ]

Who the heck considered Levitre one of the 2-3 best guards ?! You his agent and himself?! Ha

Levitre's greatest asset was his ability to stay healthy, versatility, and Chan as his OC. He was not a great guard by any stretch of the imagination. He was average to slightly above average.

 

Average?

 

He was considered one of the very best left guards in football.

 

Whether YOU agree is immaterial but denying it is just showing your ignorance on the subject.

 

He got the contract because he was very highly regarded around the league and additionally independent advanced statistical services graded him very highly.

[BADOLBILZ]

and here, in chan's system he was. he was mobile, agile and could move his hips.

 

His inability to replicate his Buffalo performance in TN has been due to injuries......not the system.

 

Did the Bills know his knee was a potential problem?

 

We'll never know but why would ANYONE assume anything like that when they knew about Chris Williams CHRONIC back problems and they signed him....one of the lowest rated guards in the entire NFL.

 

And his back flared up and he missed nearly the entire season.

 

Hence my point about fans attempting to pick a piece of corn out of the pile of sh*t that was the Bills handling of the LG situation.

 

For some reason there is still a question in some fans minds about the organizations lack of commitment to winning during the Littman era.

 

Is it not clear?

 

They were being run to earn a true $30-$40M profit every year and coming up $20M short of the cap year after year was the easiest way to do that.

[QuoteTheRaven83]

I remember when we let him go, almost everyone here was b*tching and moaning about how we dont pay our players. Thank god we let Byrd and Levitre go

[billsfan89]

So anyone want to own up to blasting Whaley for not retaining him?

 

I think once people saw the price tag they were OK with Whaley not retaining him. The real criticism was they never brought in a proper replacement for him. Seems like they let him go and just never bothered to sign anyone at a critical position.

Edited August 21, 2015 by billsfan89

[Kelly the Dog]

$10.5M signing bonus and $9M salary first two years.

 

$9.75M per for 2 years if it didn't work out.

 

Hence a two year contract.

 

This was much discussed at the signing.

 

Sometimes teams do things like that to fill a dire need.

 

Like teams with the worst LG play in the NFL.

 

Case in point.......Bills paying Chris Williams $7.5M to play guard for one season.

 

Well maybe not a WHOLE season. A couple games.

 

Apparently it's a case of mind over matter.......if you don't mind WHO they paid......it doesn't matter to you.

So you want a two year contract for a guy who played poorly? That's the only way you get rid of him after two years, which the Titans should have done. If he plays okay you have to pay him 40m for being pretty decent. It's too much to pay for him. The bigger mistake is not replacing him with anyone good.

[QCity]

You really picked the wrong argument to play devil's advocate lol. Just walk away man, walk away

[T master]

Looking back thats one of those PHEW moments !!

[BADOLBILZ]

So you want a two year contract for a guy who played poorly? That's the only way you get rid of him after two years, which the Titans should have done. If he plays okay you have to pay him 40m for being pretty decent. It's too much to pay for him. The bigger mistake is not replacing him with anyone good.

 

This comes down to a committed organization not risking losing games over having to overpay for a free agent you can't replace.

 

For all the dogging people give Levitre, here are the facts:

 

He's still never missed a start.....his durability isn't a "was" thing......and in 2013 when the Bills were being killed by statistically TERRIBLE LG play Levitre was performing at a statistically high level for the Titans.

 

When you take a critical look at the situation.....how much did the Bills save to take that risk?

 

Chris Williams, Colin Brown and Doug Legursky were all signed to replace Levitre and they barely got 18 bad games out of about $9.5M spent.

 

Then they played most of last year with a rookie who was terrible and a vastly overpaid backup OG (Kraig Urbik).

 

They saved about $7-$8M tops and got possibly the worst LG play in the league to show for it.

 

Hardly some dodged bullet when you consider that the Bills have had lots of the kind of situations the Titans are reportedly in with Levitre now.....in some cases worse......and in just the past few seasons.

 

Williams, Fitz, Stevie Johnson, Mark Anderson..........is anyone starting 30 page threads to point out how bad those deals were when those guys keep bouncing from team to team or out of the league?

 

No.

 

This thread is just a bunch of people who were trying to defend the team for making an illogical football move.

 

Fortunately, I believe the willingness to let your team go from very high level performance at a position to terrible performance over money are likely over now.

 

So you guys can start blasting Pegula for overspending anytime now.

 

Crickets.

Edited August 21, 2015 by #BADOL

[BillsVet]

So you guys can start blasting Pegula for overspending anytime now.

 

They're too busy complaining that Dareus is negotiating publicly and that he should accept what they're offering.

[Webster Guy]

 

This comes down to a committed organization not risking losing games over having to overpay for a free agent you can't replace.

 

For all the dogging people give Levitre, here are the facts:

 

He's still never missed a start.....his durability isn't a "was" thing......and in 2013 when the Bills were being killed by statistically TERRIBLE LG play Levitre was performing at a statistically high level for the Titans.

 

When you take a critical look at the situation.....how much did the Bills save to take that risk?

 

Chris Williams, Colin Brown and Doug Legursky were all signed to replace Levitre and they barely got 18 bad games out of about $9.5M spent.

 

Then they played most of last year with a rookie who was terrible and a vastly overpaid backup OG (Kraig Urbik).

 

They saved about $7-$8M tops and got possibly the worst LG play in the league to show for it.

 

Hardly some dodged bullet when you consider that the Bills have had lots of the kind of situations the Titans are reportedly in with Levitre now.....in some cases worse......and in just the past few seasons.

 

Williams, Fitz, Stevie Johnson, Mark Anderson..........is anyone starting 30 page threads to point out how bad those deals were when those guys keep bouncing from team to team or out of the league?

 

No.

 

This thread is just a bunch of people who were trying to defend the team for making an illogical football move.

 

Fortunately, I believe the willingness to let your team go from very high level performance at a position to terrible performance over money are likely over now.

 

So you guys can start blasting Pegula for overspending anytime now.

 

Crickets.

On top of that it was the blindside protection of our rookie qb trying to learn the ropes. Poor EJ had about 1.9 seconds per dropback before they were breathing down his neck.

 

Not a good thing to do to your 1st round qb who needs confidence and time to execute plays.

[Bill from NYC]

His inability to replicate his Buffalo performance in TN has been due to injuries......not the system.

 

Did the Bills know his knee was a potential problem?

 

We'll never know but why would ANYONE assume anything like that when they knew about Chris Williams CHRONIC back problems and they signed him....one of the lowest rated guards in the entire NFL.

I wholly agree. Were the Bills aware of his injury? Tough to tell but I doubt it. Did he lose his desire after being handed millions of dollars in bonus money? Nobody will ever know but I doubt that too, due to his durability in Buffalo. He never sat out a game.

 

I understand how fans are happy that we "dodged this bullet." Why not feel good about things the Bills do when possible? That said, it was stupid of the Bills to let him walk. He, by most accounts, wanted to stay here. Instead we let him walk, replaced him with expensive garbage, and watched a young Cordy Glenn make limited progress after his departure.

 

Was profit the motive in letting him walk? My guess is absolutely yes, but it didn't work. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't a truly dreadful Chris Williams still count toward our salary cap?

Edited August 22, 2015 by Bill from NYC

[JohnC]

 

His inability to replicate his Buffalo performance in TN has been due to injuries......not the system.

 

Did the Bills know his knee was a potential problem?

 

We'll never know but why would ANYONE assume anything like that when they knew about Chris Williams CHRONIC back problems and they signed him....one of the lowest rated guards in the entire NFL.

 

And his back flared up and he missed nearly the entire season.

 

Hence my point about fans attempting to pick a piece of corn out of the pile of sh*t that was the Bills handling of the LG situation.

 

For some reason there is still a question in some fans minds about the organizations lack of commitment to winning during the Littman era.

 

Is it not clear?

 

They were being run to earn a true $30-$40M profit every year and coming up $20M short of the cap year after year was the easiest way to do that.

The organization trades Jason Peters because of contract issues and then acquires Derrick Dockery and Langston Walker at outsized contracts relative to talent level. They then move Walker from the right side to the left where he is not suited, and then cut him because he can't play a position he himself knew he wasn't suited for.

 

The decisions that have been made over the years were not only not smart decisions they bordered on being peculiar decisions. The Chris Williams addition at his price tag never made sense because not only was his prior performance level mediocre but the price tag gave the team little value for the dollar, especially (as you noted) his chronic back issues were well known.

 

Compared to the past history on addressing OL issues Whaley's acquisitiions of Incognito and the drafting of Miller were smart and value laden transactions.

 

The bottom line (as you noted) is that the Littman and Wilson business model is no longer in effect under Pegula. The reality is that under the prior regime the central problem was not always associated to money issues as much as it was simply incompetent staff making dumb football decisions.

[Kelly the Dog]

This comes down to a committed organization not risking losing games over having to overpay for a free agent you can't replace.

 

For all the dogging people give Levitre, here are the facts:

 

He's still never missed a start.....his durability isn't a "was" thing......and in 2013 when the Bills were being killed by statistically TERRIBLE LG play Levitre was performing at a statistically high level for the Titans.

 

When you take a critical look at the situation.....how much did the Bills save to take that risk?

 

Chris Williams, Colin Brown and Doug Legursky were all signed to replace Levitre and they barely got 18 bad games out of about $9.5M spent.

 

Then they played most of last year with a rookie who was terrible and a vastly overpaid backup OG (Kraig Urbik).

 

They saved about $7-$8M tops and got possibly the worst LG play in the league to show for it.

 

Hardly some dodged bullet when you consider that the Bills have had lots of the kind of situations the Titans are reportedly in with Levitre now.....in some cases worse......and in just the past few seasons.

 

Williams, Fitz, Stevie Johnson, Mark Anderson..........is anyone starting 30 page threads to point out how bad those deals were when those guys keep bouncing from team to team or out of the league?

 

No.

 

This thread is just a bunch of people who were trying to defend the team for making an illogical football move.

 

Fortunately, I believe the willingness to let your team go from very high level performance at a position to terrible performance over money are likely over now.

 

So you guys can start blasting Pegula for overspending anytime now.

 

Crickets.

 

You make good points and I agree with all of that in theory and often in what happens in the NFL. I thought the Bills totally blew the Jason Peters deal and said it here a 100 times. My point about Levitre is that he really wasn't that good. He was pretty good and he was very versatile (which would have been the only reason to keep him for that money). Sometimes you need to pay good players and sometimes you need to let them go. Levitre played admirably IMO, and he was an overachiever, he wasn't a top OG.

[johnwalter]

in whaley we trust

[Rob's House]

I probably said this about 500 times back where half the forum went apesh*t over losing Levitre -

 

You don't break the bank for a guard.

At least not one of middling physical abilities like Andy Cialis. The guy was solid when healthy, but never anywhere near the dominant force you'd expect from a guard with his salary.