Peter Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Project QBs like EJ have a two or three year learning curve to become a starting NFL QB. Hard to understand in the hot pocket world of RGIII, Luck, Wilson and Kaerpernick instant success, but this is the old school NFL way that actually used to work. Manuel is a QB who I could see become a solid starting NFL QB if he was given the extra time to develop properly. I don't understand many fans here who just write him off completely ignoring the fact that he was considered a raw QB coming out. It would be great if he played lights out this training camp, but if he doesn't that doesn't mean anything in regards to whether he'll ever be a solid starting QB in this league. Because the reality is that he probably needs this whole year to develop into a viable solid option for the 2016 season. While he's a mature person, it seems like he didn't have that "boss" like commanding presence in the huddle. He may need to just get another year older and watch how the old guys handle the players on offense. He never had that until Orton came in. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 The Bills will go into camp with 4 QBs. Tuel stays unless they draft someone. Sure, theyre not going to cut Tuel today. That would be jumping the gun. But he wont make it out of camp, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I like that people are excited about Taylor having had 4 years to develop, while in the same breath basically saying EJ is a bust Glad to see added depth, and more possible competition. May the best man win! Hopefully it's a close competition because they all kick ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 His salary was under 700,000. This was clearly not a salary cap issue. And Flacco will still need a backup. WHy get rid of such a guy who comes so cheap? They can't force him to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I like that people are excited about Taylor having had 4 years to develop, while in the same breath basically saying EJ is a bust Glad to see added depth, and more possible competition. May the best man win! Hopefully it's a close competition because they all kick ass. Love this post. Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I like that people are excited about Taylor having had 4 years to develop, while in the same breath basically saying EJ is a bust oh that is so true...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Sleeping much easier tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
respk Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Another good addition to the competition. Maybe one more FA and a draftee would top it off. One of the latest mock drafts I saw had the Bills taking Hundley in the 2nd. That would be a very good addition. It would give us a chance to find a starter and a competent back and a development guy even though the QB possibilities are slim to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 His salary was under 700,000. This was clearly not a salary cap issue. And Flacco will still need a backup. WHy get rid of such a guy who comes so cheap? It was that low, until his contract expired. It will be higher going forward. And they'd probably have to significantly beat the Bills' (or similarly QB-poor team) offer, because a young player like Taylor typically wants a chance to play, and potentially earn huge money. He won't get that in Baltimore without a serious injury to Flacco. The NFL actually got rid of the reserve clause some time ago, and have this thing where you have to negotiate a new contract from time to time in order to keep a player. And weirdly, the new contract is the one that counts against the salary cap, not the old one. And sometimes the new one is a lot higher than the old one, maybe too high for you to afford, especially when you have massive amounts of money committed to your starting QB. Bizarre, I know, but all true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Bills did a fantastic job in a very difficult QB market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallskiWallski83 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Very happy with this signing. Taylor brings atheleticism to the position and more importantly: hes an unknown commodity who's only 25 years old and got to learn behind flacco for 4 years.As a Bills fan, we need yearly hope for the pipe dream QB that can somehow become the franchise guy we need. Taylor is this years version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Hello @MoveTheSticks: One under the radar signing: Tyrod Taylor/Bills. Rex Ryan can use him to run the zone read stuff. He knows how difficult it is to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobinaz Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Going into camp with 4 QBs on the roster as of now, I don't see the Bills drafting one unless of course they see someone they like then Tuel is odd man out possibly. To go into camp with 5 would be crazy because how would you expect to see everyone get a fair amount of reps and remain competitive. Four is bad enough to spread the wealth around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Going into camp with 4 QBs on the roster as of now, I don't see the Bills drafting one unless of course they see someone they like then Tuel is odd man out possibly. To go into camp with 5 would be crazy because how would you expect to see everyone get a fair amount of reps and remain competitive. Four is bad enough to spread the wealth around. Yep. Tuel will be the arm to wear out working receivers early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Hello @MoveTheSticks: One under the radar signing: Tyrod Taylor/Bills. Rex Ryan can use him to run the zone read stuff. He knows how difficult it is to defend. That's a big reason why I say take a chance on Harvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 That's a big reason why I say take a chance on Harvin Apparently Harvin doesn't want to be a gadget player, just a true WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I would have preferred a third string backup with more starting experience but its a third string QB. Its not exactly a lot to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) If Tyrod starts I say we steal the VT enter sandman openings to home games as well. That opening rocks live for any who have been. Whole stadium goes bananas and starts shaking. Edited March 12, 2015 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Hello @MoveTheSticks: One under the radar signing: Tyrod Taylor/Bills. Rex Ryan can use him to run the zone read stuff. He knows how difficult it is to defend. Only have 2 QBs active so somebody will be odd man out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Oh? @jchenelly: .@TyrodTaylor was looking for a team to give him a legit chance to earn the starting #QB job. He gets that chance w/ #Bills. #ThreeWayBattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Oh? @jchenelly: .@TyrodTaylor was looking for a team to give him a legit chance to earn the starting #QB job. He gets that chance w/ #Bills. #ThreeWayBattle Let the best man lead the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 How many of you saying this is a great signing ever saw him play or even knew he existed before today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Not sure about this guy. Looks like he had a 58% completion rate in college, and hasnt ever played in the NFL. I wonder if Tuel beats him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 He's a FA and Flacco never gets hurt so he won't see the field. He will have a legitimate shot at playing time here. I would leave also. You can't say your starter will never get hurt. Are you arguing they don't need a backup? Or that they could just get any warm body to take his place? If so, why didn't they just trade him to the Jets when Rex was after him? At least they would have gotten something before letting this cheap backup walk. They can't force him to stay. No, but the point is that if he was so valuable a year or 2 ago that they wouldn't even entertain Rex's trade talk, why not re-sign him--a year ago even? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 How many of you saying this is a great signing ever saw him play or even knew he existed before today? <-- This guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 How many of you saying this is a great signing ever saw him play or even knew he existed before today? my guess is very few. but I'm an idiot so what do I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Apparently Harvin doesn't want to be a gadget player, just a true WRDidn't know that thanks. Hopefully he comes off that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 How many of you saying this is a great signing ever saw him play or even knew he existed before today? Tons of us. He's been getting hype as flaccos backup for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 If they want interesting they should go back and find that guy who had the trick shot video, throwing into moving trucks and such...Tanney or something like that? Bzzzt no. We brought him into training camp for a look and then moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Not sure about this guy. Looks like he had a 58% completion rate in college, and hasnt ever played in the NFL. I wonder if Tuel beats him out. That's why he's not just handed the starting position. I bet Cassel and EJ get the majority of #1 reps in this competition, while Taylor will need to impress with the scraps he'll be given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Oh? @jchenelly: .@TyrodTaylor was looking for a team to give him a legit chance to earn the starting #QB job. He gets that chance w/ #Bills. #ThreeWayBattle I'm still trying to figure out who Joe Chenelly is other than a guy with a twitter account and a square jawline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 This signing wont get a lot of press but just watch and see what happens - Has a game that emulates Russell Wilson.....which it looks like the bills are trying to emulate anyway - Has had FOUR YEARS of sitting behind Flacco to improve his craft - Now that we have signed him I dont see us signing a QB in the draft this year - Rex Ryan tried to trade for him last year and was rejected. its a QB competition folks......so if EJ has not SERIOUSLY improved his game then Cassell probably starts........but Tyrod will be in the bullpen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 No, but the point is that if he was so valuable a year or 2 ago that they wouldn't even entertain Rex's trade talk, why not re-sign him--a year ago even? He wanted to have a chance at starting. There was no way that was happening there. Even if they wanted to re-sign him (they could have), he could have said no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I'm still trying to figure out who Joe Chenelly is other than a guy with a twitter account and a square jawline. He's from Fairport. Maybe he knows Kim Pegula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I know but under 60% in college is not good. EJ is thought of as inaccurate and almost completed 70% of his passes his senior year. Doesn't matter- he's someone else therefore he must be better. Get with the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 You can't say your starter will never get hurt. Are you arguing they don't need a backup? Or that they could just get any warm body to take his place? If so, why didn't they just trade him to the Jets when Rex was after him? At least they would have gotten something before letting this cheap backup walk. No, but the point is that if he was so valuable a year or 2 ago that they wouldn't even entertain Rex's trade talk, why not re-sign him--a year ago even? That's just stupid. "If he was so valuable a year or two ago they wouldn't have even entertained Rex's trade talk." Do you really think a Ozzie is going to hang up the phone if a GM comes calling asking about his backup qb? Maybe you would, but I'd listen to offers for any player. Doesn't mean you have to trade him, but if a deal comes along that you can't pass up, you take it. Regarding locking him up a year ago, it takes 2 to tango. Maybe he didn't want to be there and wanted a chance to compete to be a starter and make some big boy money. If his accuracy, footwork and ability to read defenses have improved since college, he's probably just as good as Ej Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 https://youtu.be/MwPLQ43JVYU I like that people are excited about Taylor having had 4 years to develop, while in the same breath basically saying EJ is a bust Glad to see added depth, and more possible competition. May the best man win! Hopefully it's a close competition because they all kick ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 This signing wont get a lot of press but just watch and see what happens - Has a game that emulates Russell Wilson.....which it looks like the bills are trying to emulate anyway - Has had FOUR YEARS of sitting behind Flacco to improve his craft - Now that we have signed him I dont see us signing a QB in the draft this year - Rex Ryan tried to trade for him last year and was rejected. its a QB competition folks......so if EJ has not SERIOUSLY improved his game then Cassell probably starts........but Tyrod will be in the bullpen I'm betting Cassel wins the starting job for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 He wanted to have a chance at starting. There was no way that was happening there. Even if they wanted to re-sign him (they could have), he could have said no. True, he could have. But no one in th NFL thinks he's a starting caliber QB. OK, maybe one guy--but that guy has famously struggled to identify a starting QB in his HC career so far.. Better to be Flacco's backup than cut from the Bills camp in late August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) This signing wont get a lot of press but just watch and see what happens - Has a game that emulates Russell Wilson.....which it looks like the bills are trying to emulate anyway - Has had FOUR YEARS of sitting behind Flacco to improve his craft - Now that we have signed him I dont see us signing a QB in the draft this year - Rex Ryan tried to trade for him last year and was rejected. its a QB competition folks......so if EJ has not SERIOUSLY improved his game then Cassell probably starts........but Tyrod will be in the bullpen wtf does this guy have in common with russell Wilson? Rw was a 70% passer his senior year in college. Tyrod was 59%. Vick maybe, not rw. Maybe roman is thinking keap... Edited March 12, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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