Ted William's frozen head Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Yeah, lucky. If it means Hackett is outta here, I would call it lucky. Marrone can stay, but the OC needs a one way ticket out of Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 One thing I forgot to mention about the weirdness - Polian saying that a coach with an 8-6 record deserves votes for coach of the year two weeks prior to "denying" rumors he may well be headed to the same organization as that coach. I dunno. I think he follows the Bills fairly closely and roots for them. He's said as such. His job is to give strong opinions on the air. When no one gave the Bills a chance against the Broncos and then the Packers, they shut down Manning and were in the game in Denver, and then the next week totally **** down Rodgers and the Pack. At that precise moment, it was not unreasonable to say what he did, which was to praise Marrone, praise Schwartz, and praise the team. He could very well have been lobbying for a job as consultant with the Bills. But all of that C of Y praise and goodwill went away with the Oakland loss and out of the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No QB - No Bueno Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 What exactly is special about Marrone? Why would a troglodyte in an age of innovation be so in demand? Because the nfl is conservative by nature and likes to recycle the same names from the same septic tank? What exactly has Marrone brought the team - he isn;t a strategist, he doesn;t seem to use statistics to guide decisions where applicable, and he hired a jv coach to guide his offense. Did he get more with less or less with more this year? Outside of guys liking to play for him (allegedly) what is the special sauce in his game? The dude in arizona won with 14 different quarterbacks: what dexterity does Marrone display that would give anyone great confidence (when facing Belichek with the game on the line and someone other than Janeane Garofalo at qb) that he can get it done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I can't see him quitting a HC position for a 9-7 team unless the situation is totally untenable, which doesn't appear to be the case. If he does quit, I don't think it'll be the disaster that many people seem to think. does not having a QB or one on the horizon qualify at all as an untenable situation? Just wondering ..... it's a big question mark for me as a HC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 does not having a QB or one on the horizon qualify at all as an untenable situation? Just wondering ..... it's a big question mark for me as a HC No. There are only 32 of these jobs and only about 10 of them come with a high quality QB, but there's still a lot of interest in the other 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) What exactly is special about Marrone? Why would a troglodyte in an age of innovation be so in demand? Because the nfl is conservative by nature and likes to recycle the same names from the same septic tank? What exactly has Marrone brought the team - he isn;t a strategist, he doesn;t seem to use statistics to guide decisions where applicable, and he hired a jv coach to guide his offense. Did he get more with less or less with more this year? Outside of guys liking to play for him (allegedly) what is the special sauce in his game? The dude in arizona won with 14 different quarterbacks: what dexterity does Marrone display that would give anyone great confidence (when facing Belichek with the game on the line and someone other than Janeane Garofalo at qb) that he can get it done? oddly enough, Marrone was hired because he was able to take what he learned from Peyton in the big easy, and create an 'innovative' fast-paced offense at Syracuse that brought them to a four way co-championship (2012) of the now-defunct big east conference. edit - am i leaving anything out? Edited December 30, 2014 by BackInDaDay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I think DM made many dubious gameday decisions, but from afar he won nine games in Buffalo largely with the now retired Kyle Orton. That will turn heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 What exactly is special about Marrone? Why would a troglodyte in an age of innovation be so in demand? Because the nfl is conservative by nature and likes to recycle the same names from the same septic tank? What exactly has Marrone brought the team - he isn;t a strategist, he doesn;t seem to use statistics to guide decisions where applicable, and he hired a jv coach to guide his offense. Did he get more with less or less with more this year? Outside of guys liking to play for him (allegedly) what is the special sauce in his game? The dude in arizona won with 14 different quarterbacks: what dexterity does Marrone display that would give anyone great confidence (when facing Belichek with the game on the line and someone other than Janeane Garofalo at qb) that he can get it done? The team was prepared every single week and it showed. He has hired a great staff (especially on defense) and has won games with 3 different QBs. Two of which are no longer in the NFL. If you cannot see the toughness and will to win this team has compared to years past, you simply are not paying attention. Marrone is far from perfect, but he is the bets coach we have had here in a long time and frankly its not close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 The team was prepared every single week and it showed. He has hired a great staff (especially on defense) and has won games with 3 different QBs. Two of which are no longer in the NFL. If you cannot see the toughness and will to win this team has compared to years past, you simply are not paying attention. Marrone is far from perfect, but he is the bets coach we have had here in a long time and frankly its not close When you say the team was prepared every single week, does that include Oakland? I agree the team was way better in this regard than normal, but the let-down in Oakland was a massive setback for me. We were supposed to have grown/progressed beyond that sort of thing at that point in the season, and we hadn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 When you say the team was prepared every single week, does that include Oakland? I agree the team was way better in this regard than normal, but the let-down in Oakland was a massive setback for me. We were supposed to have grown/progressed beyond that sort of thing at that point in the season, and we hadn't. Tell me a team that showed up all 16 weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No QB - No Bueno Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) The team was prepared every single week and it showed. He has hired a great staff (especially on defense) and has won games with 3 different QBs. Two of which are no longer in the NFL. If you cannot see the toughness and will to win this team has compared to years past, you simply are not paying attention. Marrone is far from perfect, but he is the bets coach we have had here in a long time and frankly its not close Prepared for what? To score 10 offensive tds over a season? The talent has improved - is Marrone responsible for that? Did he get the most out of the available talent? Did he coach up or give up on certain players? Pettine and Schwartz are known quantities - he gets credit for that?. He was an offensive coordinator - yes? Where was the whiz-bang? Is the Talent level, which is the best in recent memory, or the coach? This coach? Edited December 30, 2014 by No QB - No Bueno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaccof Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I still don't get why people think that with Pegula at the owners wheel the money will flow? The owneship situation has certainly stabilized, but not sure how that translates to winning football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Prepared for what? To score 10 offensive tds over a season? The talent has improved - is Marrone responsible for that? Did he get the most out of the available talent? Did he coach up or give up on certain players? Pettine and Schwartz are known quantities - he gets credit for that?. He was an offensive coordinator - yes? Where was the whiz-bang? Is the Talent level, which is the best in recent memory, or the coach? This coach? Pettine was a known quantity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I still don't get why people think that with Pegula at the owners wheel the money will flow? The owneship situation has certainly stabilized, but not sure how that translates to winning football. Those are two different things. Money will surely flow. He did it with the Sabres in several different ways. There is nothing whatsoever to believe that he won't do it with the Bills. He basically spent 400,000,000 extra dollars on the Bills for no reason, just to get it over with. Money will surely flow, all around. Whether that translates to winning is a different matter altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 No. There are only 32 of these jobs and only about 10 of them come with a high quality QB, but there's still a lot of interest in the other 22. the point I was trying to make is the difference between a team with a "high quality" QB and one with no QB at all, which is pretty much where the Bills are now. Not an easy sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 The team was prepared every single week and it showed. He has hired a great staff (especially on defense) and has won games with 3 different QBs. Two of which are no longer in the NFL. If you cannot see the toughness and will to win this team has compared to years past, you simply are not paying attention. Marrone is far from perfect, but he is the bets coach we have had here in a long time and frankly its not close This is exactly right. All this talk of a new coach is reminiscent of schools girls gossiping in the cafeteria. Marrone is not going anywhere, nor should he. Polian is not coming here, nor is he needed. Cowher is not coming here, nor would I want him after eight years out of the NFL. I would like to see some shakeups on the offensive side of the ball and some better talent at QB and OL like everyone else. Otherwise, I am satisfied with the leadership of this team from the HC perspective. He defintely deserves an opportunity to finish the job, and it has been a long time since that could be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 That's the one thing I truly don't like about Marrone: Hackett. The entire offense is under-performing, and Hackett is clearly in over his head. Loyalty is great, and he may be the greatest coach in practice, but he just can't call a game to save his life, and largely the same OL that opened holes for Spiller to the tune of 6.0 ypc in 2012 couldn't block sunlight this year. This team is a decent OC away from the playoffs. Not even good. Just decent. Someone who knows how to design a blocking scheme that actually blocks up the middle when you try to run up the middle. 100% agree with you. Hackett has to be held accountable for this pickle juice infused retatta 'abortion' of an offense. Gailey had FEWER talented players, many of whom are still on this team, and did MUCH MORE with them. Gailey and Fitz would have been 12-4 with the defense this team has now. Hackett refuses to build his offense around his personnel's strengths. Spiller's performance in the last two seasons is concrete proof of this. Watkins will be next if changes aren't made. If Marrone does not make those coaching changes, well, then he should be shown the door by Whaley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Pete Carrol is 63 Arians 62 Tomlin 42 Dick LeBeau 77 John Fox 69 What an amazing coup Pittsburgh pulled when they hired Tomlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 What if Marrones opts in? Does that mean that we didn't beat the Packers if the Raiders beat New England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) Pettine was a known quantity? I will agree with you on this one Mrs. Marrone. Pettine was NOT a known commodity as many people attributed his success to Rex. Marrone deserves credit for this hire and for Schwartz too; although JS was certainly a known commodity. The problem with Marrone isn't even that his offensive design is below NFL caliber. It is that he STILL does not recognize that obvious fact. Until he does, we will be shackled by our offense. Edited December 30, 2014 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaccof Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Kelly the Dog - His spending money on the Saber's absolutley hasn't translated to winning - though I'm lead to believe from other posters here that the Saber's will begin winning the Cup somewhere around 2017 and not stop until 2050. So call me skeptical, but I just don't see the change in ownership translating into a Super Bowl for the Bills..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I still don't get why people think that with Pegula at the owners wheel the money will flow? The owneship situation has certainly stabilized, but not sure how that translates to winning football. Because he has spent enormous amounts of money improving the Sabres on-ice and off-ice organization. We are talking expenditures that go way beyond mere player salary and cap issues. It took a couple of years to get the Sabres organization where we want it once Pegula came in. We have a break-in period to endure with the Bills as well in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I triple Dog Dare him to opt out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 pretty sure the opt out clause was to protect him from an owner relocating the team. 3 day opt out is so short it had to be in contemplation of some kind of disaster scenario, which is not the case. The really good news so far is no one is going after Schwartz as yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlearm Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 If he gets an offer he's gone. Does anyone believe he didn't know about Orton's retirement plans? He really was going for the best chance to win, to build up his resume with winning record. He and Orton left Bill's high and dry,not even giving an idea if EJ could possiblly assume the starting role next year by letting him start in last game. He should have put him in second half against Raiders. This explains everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 When you say the team was prepared every single week, does that include Oakland? I agree the team was way better in this regard than normal, but the let-down in Oakland was a massive setback for me. We were supposed to have grown/progressed beyond that sort of thing at that point in the season, and we hadn't. I say we were prepared for that game. We forced a 3 and out and scored on the first drive, then they had another chance and went 3 and out, you could see in Carr's face that he would not be able to do much, then when we were driving for another score we throw a pick and let them into to the game, if we score there they run for the bus. After that pick Dareus gets hurt and they find a way into the game by running the ball, this deflated the defense and took a while for it to adjust to Dareus absence. Momentum was a B word in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 It's time for Saint Doug to perform his 3rd miracle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 oh god. are we just going to get full meltdown whine mode here? lets wait until JW or TG say something. You mean TW or JK; then re-tweeted by TG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 What an amazing coup Pittsburgh pulled when they hired Tomlin. that was my hidden gem. The steelers had this guy groomed and ready in the wings. I can't wait for us to have that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 When you say the team was prepared every single week, does that include Oakland? I agree the team was way better in this regard than normal, but the let-down in Oakland was a massive setback for me. We were supposed to have grown/progressed beyond that sort of thing at that point in the season, and we hadn't. Well, knowing what we know now -- that Orton was 8 days away from announcing his retirement (reportedly without cluing the coaches in ahead of time), I think it helps to explain some of the spineless things we saw out of him in that game (and others). The Bills also lost their top DT (who had helped shut down the Raiders running game prior to his departure) as well as their top corner (the Bills had only allowed 6 receptions to that point). Meanwhile, the Bills have always had trouble winning games out on the West Coast -- even when they were good 15+ years ago. And even with all that, the game down to one fluke play on a 3rd and 22 conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 That's the one thing I truly don't like about Marrone: Hackett. The entire offense is under-performing, and Hackett is clearly in over his head. Loyalty is great, and he may be the greatest coach in practice, but he just can't call a game to save his life, and largely the same OL that opened holes for Spiller to the tune of 6.0 ypc in 2012 couldn't block sunlight this year. This team is a decent OC away from the playoffs. Not even good. Just decent. Someone who knows how to design a blocking scheme that actually blocks up the middle when you try to run up the middle. The addition of Hostler as Senior Offensive Assistant and Downing as Quarterbacks coach sure didn't make an impact. The offense was worse than in 2013 and EJ Manuel regressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 This is exactly right. All this talk of a new coach is reminiscent of schools girls gossiping in the cafeteria. Marrone is not going anywhere, nor should he. Polian is not coming here, nor is he needed. Cowher is not coming here, nor would I want him after eight years out of the NFL. I would like to see some shakeups on the offensive side of the ball and some better talent at QB and OL like everyone else. Otherwise, I am satisfied with the leadership of this team from the HC perspective. He defintely deserves an opportunity to finish the job, and it has been a long time since that could be said. i envy your ability to dismiss the fact that the only unit that Marrone hasn't improved - is the the unit he was hired to improve.. i certainly respect your optimism.. and i think most Bills fans are - at heart - very tolerant, optimistic folks. it's just that some of us are, well, frustrated by what we believe were squandered opportunities this year, and we place the blame for these squandered opportunities on the head coach and OC - the men who failed to develop an offense that could of helped the other two units get more than one game over .500 and get into the tourney. this is our curse - our gut feeling that the same offensive specialists who couldn't get it figured out in 2 years time, are not going to suddenly get it right in 2015.. and being powerless to effect any change that will keep us from another dissappointing year, we default to bitching like schoolgirls about what was wasted and by who.. then we speculate on what these knuckleheads need to succeed - because in our eyes - they already had enough. it's messed up. we're probably more fanatical than Islamic fundamentalists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureBillsGM Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 that was my hidden gem. The steelers had this guy groomed and ready in the wings. I can't wait for us to have that What do you mean they had him groomed and ready in the wings? He was an outside hire after one year of being Minnesota's defensive coordinator and never was in the Steelers organization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 No way Marrone gets an NFL offer this week. Not a chance. Pegula just elevated the value of every franchise in the league with his huge bid for the Bills, and his new partners just aren't going to poach his coach a few months after the purchase. Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Kelly the Dog - His spending money on the Saber's absolutley hasn't translated to winning - though I'm lead to believe from other posters here that the Saber's will begin winning the Cup somewhere around 2017 and not stop until 2050. So call me skeptical, but I just don't see the change in ownership translating into a Super Bowl for the Bills..... That is a separate issue....the fact is Pegula DOES spend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I triple Dog Dare him to opt out DARN! Now he's got no choice! Could you do truth or dare instead? Or even just a Double Dog Dare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) I hope Marrone opts out him & his 3 wide sets. The man doesn't know what a spread offense is and definitely never heard of 4 or 5 wrs sets. Edited December 30, 2014 by NastyNateSoldiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Kelly the Dog - His spending money on the Saber's absolutley hasn't translated to winning - though I'm lead to believe from other posters here that the Saber's will begin winning the Cup somewhere around 2017 and not stop until 2050. So call me skeptical, but I just don't see the change in ownership translating into a Super Bowl for the Bills..... Don't judge how much Pegula is willing to spend based on where the Sabres are right now. Also, don't judge how well the Sabres organization is doing based on what's happening right now. The organization has been completely gutted and it is currently being re-built with arguably the best prospects pool in the NHL. We also have THREE first round draft picks this year! We are going to be loaded with talent but it takes time to build talent at the NHL level. It's not like the NFL where you draft top players and they immediately make an impact. In 3 years the Sabres are going to have, in my opinion, their strongest team of all time. Hang in there. I think Pegula will alter the scene at OBD as well in due course. It is going to take some time as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) i envy your ability to dismiss the fact that the only unit that Marrone hasn't improved - is the the unit he was hired to improve.. i certainly respect your optimism.. and i think most Bills fans are - at heart - very tolerant, optimistic folks. it's just that some of us are, well, frustrated by what we believe were squandered opportunities this year, and we place the blame for these squandered opportunities on the head coach and OC - the men who failed to develop an offense that could of helped the other two units get more than one game over .500 and get into the tourney. this is our curse - our gut feeling that the same offensive specialists who couldn't get it figured out in 2 years time, are not going to suddenly get it right in 2015.. and being powerless to effect any change that will keep us from another dissappointing year, we default to bitching like schoolgirls about what was wasted and by who.. then we speculate on what these knuckleheads need to succeed - because in our eyes - they already had enough. it's messed up. we're probably more fanatical than Islamic fundamentalists That's the thing.......Marrone got a head coaching job on the strength of being the (non-play calling) OC for Sean Peyton.....a job which he got because of his work as an OL coach....most notably developing a couple nobodies(Brandon Moore and Carl Nicks) into Pro Bowl offensive guards. It's crazy when you actually think how poorly the team has performed in his expertise. That certainly gives him a fraudulent look. Anyone who doubts the impression that stinking at your expertise leaves around the league needs look no further than how many HC job offers Brian Billick gets. Zero. And he has a ring for being a HC. Then you factor in that he inherited extraordinary defensive talent and was able to hire two separate, highly regarded and proven DC's to fill that job.......you have to ask yourself what has he really done for his part? The not knowing what you really have in Marrone is a byproduct of a very casual approach to building his roster in the first two offseasons. People assume because the Bills roster is solid and particularly deep on defense that the personnel department has been doing a good job.......but the guys that built this roster have been doing it for 5 YEARS now and doing so with the benefit of a lot of high draft picks. They had a chance to really give Marrone a huge jump start in the first offseason and they blew it. They let him go thru the season with nothing but rookie QB's. Unconscienable. Then they mostly sat on their hands in free agency in year 2. I am not impressed with Marrone but the organization hasn't done their part to give him what he needs to show if he can be a difference making coach, either. Edited December 30, 2014 by BADOLBEELZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 The organization has been completely gutted and it is currently being re-built with arguably the best prospects pool in the NHL. We also have THREE first round draft picks this year! We are going to be loaded with talent but it takes time to build talent at the NHL level. It's not like the NFL where you draft top players and they immediately make an impact. In 3 years the Sabres are going to have, in my opinion, their strongest team of all time. Hang in there. I think Pegula will alter the scene at OBD as well in due course. It is going to take some time as well. I don't follow the Sabres closely anymore, but this was my understanding as well. I find it to be very encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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