NoSaint Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) I'd be hard pressed to justify spikes limited snaps at 4m per over kiko 3 downs at 800k per. Rarely do I argue shed spending but I think this is a great spot to allocate money elsewhere I think we shed spikes and Lawson to keep the front 4 Edited November 25, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I would seriously do this in a heart beat. Trade Kiko for 200 pounds of raw bear flesh, the bones of chuck Norris's mother, the severed head of the Ebola czar, and unfettered right to invade Canada. That would be pretty fair, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 We have a defense that is great at getting to the QB. We are NOT, however, a dominant defense, our performance last night notwithstanding. Kiko Alonso at WLB would take us a step closer to being dominant. There's a lot to like about our LBs, but they've been exposed on several occasions this year, especially in the passing game. Kiko is simply a playmaker at the position. The minute he comes back, assuming he's healthy, he becomes our best LB on the team. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Trade him for "two dominant offensive lineman"? Has that ever happened in the history of the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT TO TRADE AWAY OUR GOOD PLAYERS THAT WERE DRAFTED? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Trade him for "two dominant offensive lineman"? Has that ever happened in the history of the NFL? All those teams with 7-8 pro bowl lineman do it all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfk Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Trade em for Mike Vick and doggie to be named later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I would consider Kiko for a 10 ten pick if we resigned Spikes. You have to at least consider stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 OK, I'm not trolling or being intentionally argumentative. But here goes. We have a great defensive line, not just the starters but every backup as well. We have three really good LBs on the field, plus adequate backups. Where will Kiko fit next year, if the Bills are able to bring Spikes back? On the other hand, the Bills desperately need upgrades at a couple of positions on the offensive side, and they could stand an upgrade at safety as well. The question is, as good as Kiko is, would you trade him for a really good, proven, QB? How about two dominant offensive lineman? Or would you never want to trade him and are thinking of coming out to Utah to explain things to me in person? Uh, what really good proven QB do you have in mind, and why do you think that team would trade him for an injured LB who had one promising season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) All those teams with 7-8 pro bowl lineman do it all the time No you got it all wrong. Two teams will each contribute a pro bowl lineman, and then those teams will share Kiko. Or cut him in half? They will figure it out, the thing that matters is that we have two pro bowl linemen now! WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT TO TRADE AWAY OUR GOOD PLAYERS THAT WERE DRAFTED? so that we can draft good players!!! Edited November 25, 2014 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumin Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I doubt Brown or Bradham would be the ones getting pushed to the bench. They both already get more snaps than Spikes because they can both play the run and the pass well. Spikes would likely only be used in obvious running downs. Precisely. If there is a franchise QB in the top 10, why would a team trade that pick for a LB? Kiko is our best LB in terms of coverage, something we still lack. Spikes was a good one year rental, but it would be ridiculous to prioritize him or offer him a large contract over guys like Marcell Dareus or Jerry Hughes. Period. And if you keep Spikes on a smaller deal, he can be used as depth and on obvious running downs. The fact that Preston Brown has received all of the snaps in place of Keith Rivers is very telling. This team obviously is very high on Brown, and should be, because he has shown quite a bit of potential. Kiko/Bradham/Brown/Spikes/Rivers is a good LB core to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 OK, I'm not trolling or being intentionally argumentative. But here goes. We have a great defensive line, not just the starters but every backup as well. We have three really good LBs on the field, plus adequate backups. Where will Kiko fit next year, if the Bills are able to bring Spikes back? On the other hand, the Bills desperately need upgrades at a couple of positions on the offensive side, and they could stand an upgrade at safety as well. The question is, as good as Kiko is, would you trade him for a really good, proven, QB? How about two dominant offensive lineman? Or would you never want to trade him and are thinking of coming out to Utah to explain things to me in person? only for a proven QB or if Connor Cook come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) OK, I'm not trolling or being intentionally argumentative. But here goes. We have a great defensive line, not just the starters but every backup as well. We have three really good LBs on the field, plus adequate backups. Where will Kiko fit next year, if the Bills are able to bring Spikes back? On the other hand, the Bills desperately need upgrades at a couple of positions on the offensive side, and they could stand an upgrade at safety as well. The question is, as good as Kiko is, would you trade him for a really good, proven, QB? How about two dominant offensive lineman? Or would you never want to trade him and are thinking of coming out to Utah to explain things to me in person? Well done OP on the foresight of Alonso being expendable. 99% of fans didn't think so. Edited March 5, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Well done OP on the foresight of Alonso being expendable. 99% of fans didn't think so. Utah John Edited March 5, 2015 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Utah John = Leroi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Well done, sir. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Looks like there might be some name calling to apologize for around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Interesting that this thread comes back up, from 25 Nov. Truth be told, a few weeks later, during the last couple games of the season there in Dec., I threw out a thought to a friend after the Packers game, that the Bills might use Alonzo as trade bait for a quarterback during the offseason. At the time, I thought that they might consider that, seeing how well our defense performed w/out him, and the great need for a better qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Utah John = Leroi? It looks like Utah John deserves a spot between the farmers almanac and nostradamus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 The only type of player i would consider trading a young talent like that for would be a good franchise QB. And no team is going to trade a good franchise QB for a LB. Looks like that was true, SLB - Bradham MLB - Brown WLB - Kiko Best linebacking crew in the league! Welp WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT TO TRADE AWAY OUR GOOD PLAYERS THAT WERE DRAFTED? For McCoy trade away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 If you added Rex Ryan and LeSean McCoy to the equation this would have been a totally different thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Man, Utah John should be struttin' like a peacock right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 All hail Utah John! CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 It looks like Utah John deserves a spot between the farmers almanac and nostradamus. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Looks like there might be some name calling to apologize for around here. I'll apologize to the OP but .... I'll still miss Kiko and no apology is needed for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Well done OP on the foresight of Alonso being expendable. 99% of fans didn't think so. if we were running the schwartz scheme this move probably doesnt get done. WLB for JS wouldve been a textbook fit and saved money which wouldve helped justify a contract for hughes (since hes more key in the scheme too). i dont think the op saying kiko for a proven qb or 2 dominant lineman is particularly insightful even having seen this trade in hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 if we were running the schwartz scheme this move probably doesnt get done. WLB for JS wouldve been a textbook fit and saved money which wouldve helped justify a contract for hughes (since hes more key in the scheme too). i dont think the op saying kiko for a proven qb or 2 dominant lineman is particularly insightful even having seen this trade in hindsight. If not mistaken that thread was before the stretch when the Bills shut down Manning, Rodgers and Brady on defense. And it became truly elite in many people's eyes. Then add Rex Ryan to the mix and Kiko becomes far less important. Then add Roman and the offense they want to run and Shady to the equation and you can see why people reacted now the way they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 If you added Rex Ryan and LeSean McCoy to the equation this would have been a totally different thread. if we were running the schwartz scheme this move probably doesnt get done. WLB for JS wouldve been a textbook fit and saved money which wouldve helped justify a contract for hughes (since hes more key in the scheme too). i dont think the op saying kiko for a proven qb or 2 dominant lineman is particularly insightful even having seen this trade in hindsight. If not mistaken that thread was before the stretch when the Bills shut down Manning, Rodgers and Brady on defense. And it became truly elite in many people's eyes. Then add Rex Ryan to the mix and Kiko becomes far less important. Then add Roman and the offense they want to run and Shady to the equation and you can see why people reacted now the way they did. Details don't matter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 There should be a TBD annual award for most clairvoyant thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 If you added Rex Ryan and LeSean McCoy to the equation this would have been a totally different thread. I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Well done sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 you should change your screen handle to the Utah Prophet well done sir, well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 you should change your screen handle to the Utah Prophet well done sir, well done All hail Utah Prophet The funny thing is to read all the responses from that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 There should be a TBD annual award for most clairvoyant thread. Utah John far and away the front runner. Way to go UJ! Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Wow, great thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Utah John far and away the front runner. Way to go UJ! Go Bills! The only thing that would beat it is if someone signed John Skelton, and we traded Mario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 lmao at all the experts calling the OP an idiot. I love threads like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWesternBill Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 lmao at all the experts calling the OP an idiot. I love threads like this. ^This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) lmao at all the experts calling the OP an idiot. I love threads like this. +2 Like Kenny Bania once said Gold Jerry! Gold! There has been a few of these threads lately. Edited March 5, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 lmao at all the experts calling the OP an idiot. I love threads like this. Looking back a year on threads is often hilarious and illuminating. If the OP in this thread had waited until after we had shut down Manning, Rodgers, and Brady with our defense, and then said, what if we get Rex Ryan as our head coach, would you trade Kiko for Shady McCoy? Everyone would have had a different answer and it very likely would have looked exactly like the threads this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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