3rdand12 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'm starting to think Hogan is really David Nelson 2.0. A little more speed, a little more toughness. And thats not a bad thing . Wasn't the greatest football player of all-time a lacrosse player? I think Hogan is in good company. How old are you ? Did you go to school with Jim ? Menstrual rags is just having a bad day. Of course he has a bad day for years. Marrone does not draft kids - he is a coach. Front office drafts players although they may seek advice from coaches as they do with scouts. IMO what we are seeing is his lacrosse skill being translated into football now that he has been in a system long enough to process it. We have seen basketball players translated into TE skills and not we are seeing a lacrosse player translated into WR skills. Freddie had (and still has on board) opponents because he did not come into league from a Div I powerhouse so had to fight harder to get half the recognition. I am not saying Chris Hogan has same upper skill level as Freddie but he will need the same drive to get half as far as highly touted Div I players. Some of forget how much , or little? time Chris Hogan has played football. He is still learning and possibly has some headroom still. Good points about how the NFL finds these guys into other sports whether it be basketball or whatever. Freddy has overcome all obstacles and Chris has some of that type of character too i suspect. Go Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) All you youngsters don't remember a receiver named Bobby Chandler. He made a lot of catches like the one by Hogan yesterday. The guy could be key down the stretch with possesion receptions. Edited October 20, 2014 by JohninMinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I think most successful teams have a Bobby Chandler / Wes Welker / Wayne Chrebet kind of guy. They're tough, they work their butts off, they find ways to make plays when the prototype WRs don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I think most successful teams have a Bobby Chandler / Wes Welker / Wayne Chrebet kind of guy. They're tough, they work their butts off, they find ways to make plays when the prototype WRs don't. Uhh you mean white guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Uhh you mean white guys? No, high-motor lunch-pailers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Uhh you mean white guys? Seriously? You could even be thinking that? Who cares what race a player is?!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 True. If Williams caught it, no one would notice. It would be just a catch. A catch any 3rd NFL receiver SHOULD make. Because hogan is not an NFL receiver it gets headlines. Still irritating that no one talks about his blatant drop against the pats or all his drops in preseason with his career on the line. Thank you Romes!! For every one good play he makes, he makes two bad ones. I'd wish the coaching staff will stop the anti-Mike stuff, this guy has a lot to offer this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Uhh you mean white guys? To be fair, his name is Utah John, so he probably just means "guys". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I can almost hear Bugs already Lol ! Great post 122 But he's hanging out with EJ on the sideline wtf ? still mystifies me . But at least they both seem fully immersed in the game. I like that . can we start using the spread and 4wr/5wr sets please ? MW and EJ seems to have developed a good relationship! I wonder if part of the reason MW is in bad with coach is because he spoke up on Manuel's benching? It's ironic that MW hasn't seen the field since EJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 MW and EJ seems to have developed a good relationship! I wonder if part of the reason MW is in bad with coach is because he spoke up on Manuel's benching? It's ironic that MW hasn't seen the field since EJ! Like i mentioned , they both looked into the game and cheering. Had some friends who were at the game and said as much. I only saw a shot or two from the TV . I never thought of that Skycap . seemed to me the Receivers had given up on EJ if anything , but thats just from the TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I think its great what this guy is doing. He has great measurables and seems to be learning how to play the game. Considering he was not traded for or consumed a draft pick and is making contributions he is someone we should cheer about and not hate. Some folks around here are only happy when the can B word about how bad the front office is!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 MW and EJ seems to have developed a good relationship! I wonder if part of the reason MW is in bad with coach is because he spoke up on Manuel's benching? It's ironic that MW hasn't seen the field since EJ! He was on field Sunday, he just did not catch a ball. He was blocking very well however. Like i mentioned , they both looked into the game and cheering. Had some friends who were at the game and said as much. I only saw a shot or two from the TV . I never thought of that Skycap . seemed to me the Receivers had given up on EJ if anything , but thats just from the TV CJ seemed biggest supporter of EJ and most disappointed when he was demoted from comments in press and twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Free Mike, Marrone plays favorites over talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Uhh you mean white guys? These guys are real gym rats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Free Mike, Marrone plays favorites over talent Of course he does. But why is Mike NOT on his good list ? Thats the question i wonder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) thank you. But be careful, he's had about 120 in two games this year. People will argue that is pro bowl worthy. Think people forget Hogan is still raw..we are seeing him make more and more plays, this kid has the potential to be another Wes Welker in a few years...athletically he is kind of a freak... Edited October 21, 2014 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Of course he does. But why is Mike NOT on his good list ? Thats the question i wonder Well it is obviously the coach's fault. Mike could never be the one who did anything wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Well it is obviously the coach's fault. Mike could never be the one who did anything wrong. Obviously ! He was on field Sunday, he just did not catch a ball. He was blocking very well however. CJ seemed biggest supporter of EJ and most disappointed when he was demoted from comments in press and twitter. This might be the same lesson he was giving Robert W ?I saw his number on the field but he was out of range of the camera. Thanks for the noticing I have no problem with him if he is working hard. Marrone has called him a proffesional at least twice. The back story makes with these two an interesting thing to watch . I am botha Mike Williams and Chris Hogan fan as long as they play for the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Seriously? You could even be thinking that? Who cares what race a player is?!!? Look at your sample. What is a prototypical WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Think people forget Hogan is still raw..we are seeing him make more and more plays, this kid has the potential to be another Wes Welker in a few years...athletically he is kind of a freak... Hogan is nothing like Welker as player. He's a pretty good athlete, but freakish? No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Hogan is nothing like Welker as player. He's a pretty good athlete, but freakish? No! Really? not doubting your sources, but mind sharing your reasoning/evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Really? not doubting your sources, but mind sharing your reasoning/evidence? Welker is much smaller in stature and he relies on excellent off the line quickness in combination with precise route running. Hogan is a big physical receiver with decent of the line quickness who's still developing as a route runner. Totally different types of players. Edited October 21, 2014 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Really? not doubting your sources, but mind sharing your reasoning/evidence? I'll field this one. The answer is: 9,289. 134. 9. AKA, the difference in catches, games played, and seasons. I think it is safe to say Hogan has a long way to go before even getting close to Welker *Source *Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I'll field this one. The answer is: 9,289. 134. 9. AKA, the difference in catches, games played, and seasons. I think it is safe to say Hogan has a long way to go before even getting close to Welker *Source *Source Yeah i get Welker has played for a long time successfully and Hogan is just getting started. The statement made was he may have potential. Im just curious after watching Hogan for the first time and having been impressed. I know its a lot to ask him to have a Welker type career. But, he seems to have a lot of potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Yeah i get Welker has played for a long time successfully and Hogan is just getting started. The statement made was he may have potential. Im just curious after watching Hogan for the first time and having been impressed. I know its a lot to ask him to have a Welker type career. But, he seems to have a lot of potential. It's... frustrating. I am with you, I got you, bro. When Welker was in San Diego he was a load of talent, a very quick, all over the place scat-WR. Like a scat back but a WR version. He went to Miami and looked very good. He played highly and did not resign with the Fins which was surprising, since they really gave him the chance to shine. He goes up to NE and is a major part of Brady's career and at the time I was screaming to everyone we need to sign this guy for whatever he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Uhh you mean white guys? reminds me of lance alworth, raymond berry, steve largent types.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Uhh you mean white guys? To its credit this board's curious historical infatuation with underdog unheralded limited mistake prone UDFA type wideouts is color blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Clearly a fumble. no it wasn't...ball out before knee hits ? Nope - now it's ball appears to be getting loose? Refs are changing what they are looking for or trying to find ways to make the call on the field verified ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 It's... frustrating. I am with you, I got you, bro. When Welker was in San Diego he was a load of talent, a very quick, all over the place scat-WR. Like a scat back but a WR version. He went to Miami and looked very good. He played highly and did not resign with the Fins which was surprising, since they really gave him the chance to shine. He goes up to NE and is a major part of Brady's career and at the time I was screaming to everyone we need to sign this guy for whatever he wants. The scumbag Patriots stole Welker, literally, from the Dolphins, similar to the way the Colts stole Wil Wolfford from us. They were going to sign him to a contract that gave him an extra few million dollars if he played more than three games in the state of Florida (or something to that affect). The Dolphins would have had to match the deal he would sign with New England, which obviously the Patriots would not have to pay but the Dolphins would. The Dolphins, instead of losing him outright to the blatant scumbag cheaters, decided to trade him for a low round draft pick instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 It's... frustrating. I am with you, I got you, bro. When Welker was in San Diego he was a load of talent, a very quick, all over the place scat-WR. Like a scat back but a WR version. He went to Miami and looked very good. He played highly and did not resign with the Fins which was surprising, since they really gave him the chance to shine. He goes up to NE and is a major part of Brady's career and at the time I was screaming to everyone we need to sign this guy for whatever he wants. OK, Welker's a stretch -- tough to compare any player to the best at his position. But let me throw a more realistic comparable out there: Austin Collie. Similar size, although Hogan is both a bit bigger and a bit faster. (Sorry, he's a white guy) Before concussions caught up with him Collie had some very nice seasons with Peyton Manning and even with Curtis Painter (I know, Orton is not Peyton, but Curtis Painter is no Kyle Ortons): 60, 58, 54 catches, 16 TDs, about 11 yards per catch from 2009-11. I think Collie is a realistic upside for Hogan if he stays healthy. And that would be a valuable thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 If TJ Graham made that play, some of your bitter !@#$s would be fitting him for a gold jacket! Don't do that thing you do and say all these things that you're just going to regret later. I know you're hurting inside and I feel bad too, but I'm just not that into you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 no it wasn't...ball out before knee hits ? Nope - now it's ball appears to be getting loose? Refs are changing what they are looking for or trying to find ways to make the call on the field verified ? Please remove these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 @nfl: Top 5 X-Factors: Week 7 5. Chris Hogan 4. @JHekker 3. @GavinEscobar89 2-1. http://t.co/tNhj9sUhsB http://t.co/u1N4ZMYRHm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 no it wasn't...ball out before knee hits ? Nope - now it's ball appears to be getting loose? Refs are changing what they are looking for or trying to find ways to make the call on the field verified ? Always been the rule. If ball is getting loose before runner is down, it's a fumble. His was a clear fumble. Orton's was more questionable, but not enough to reverse the original call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Hogan’s goal line catch gets major pub While Sammy Watkins’ catch tied the game before Dan Carpenter’s extra point last Sunday, Chris Hogan’s leaping 28-yard grab to convert a 2nd-and-20 to set the Bills up at the Minnesota two-yard line is getting more pub nationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I see Hogan developing into a Jordy Nelson style WR. He also kind of reminds me of Eric Decker but isn't as big. Maybe a blend of Decker and Julian Edelman with a splash of Danny Amendola mixed in. Of course I could be wrong. He could end up being more like Brian Hartline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I see Hogan developing into a Jordy Nelson style WR. He also kind of reminds me of Eric Decker but isn't as big. Maybe a blend of Decker and Julian Edelman with a splash of Danny Amendola mixed in. Of course I could be wrong. He could end up being more like Brian Hartline. I see him as more of a Wayne Chrebet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) I see Hogan developing into a Jordy Nelson style WR. He also kind of reminds me of Eric Decker but isn't as big. Maybe a blend of Decker and Julian Edelman with a splash of Danny Amendola mixed in. Of course I could be wrong. He could end up being more like Brian Hartline. I don't think Hogan will ever be anything like Nelson who has the speed to get deep and he's also very good after the catch as he has excellent elusiveness. Edited October 22, 2014 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I see Hogan developing into a Jordy Nelson style WR. He also kind of reminds me of Eric Decker but isn't as big. Maybe a blend of Decker and Julian Edelman with a splash of Danny Amendola mixed in. Of course I could be wrong. He could end up being more like Brian Hartline. Austin Collie/Brandon Stokely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Apologize here HULKAMANIA!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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