What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Demongyz]

Just now, TH3 said:

Thats right...they are connected - well done.

Yes, it doesn't say the right of the militia, it says the people.  I believe the constitution begins with "We the people" does it not?

 

Who do you think the people are?

 

WHO?!

[TH3]

31 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

Yes, it doesn't say the right of the militia, it says the people.  I believe the constitution begins with "We the people" does it not?

 

Who do you think the people are?

 

WHO?!

I get it that you are going to intepret a poorly written sentence they way you want. Bottom line is...The way America treats guns is by GOP interpetations and therefore laws right now. We have the most guns, the most gun deaths, we shred our school children while they sit in a classrooms...and its all the "acceptable" cost of our very liberal guns laws. 

1 hour ago, Irv said:

Are you in the candy ass club? 

 

 

Dude...I am sure I am more successful, more highly educated, have more money, have a better job, have more property, more cars, more friends,  and have a hotter wife than you could ever dream about. Now go take your gun into the bathroom have spank away with it....it will make you happy...

Edited June 23, 2022 by TH3

[Demongyz]

3 minutes ago, TH3 said:

I get it that you are going to intepret a poorly written sentence they way you want. Bottom line is...The way America treats guns is by GOP interpetations and therefore laws right now. We have the most guns, the most gun deaths, we shred our school children while they sit in a classrooms...and its all the "acceptable" cost of our very liberal guns laws. 

Dude...I am sure I am more successful, more hughly educated, have more money, have a better job, have more property, more cars, more friends,  and have a hotter wife that you could ever dream about. Now go take your gun into the bathroom have ***** with it....it will make you happy...

You are wrong. 100% totally wrong.

 

Also, I'm sure you are totally right, you probably have multiple doctorates in how to misconstrue clear text and make a ton of money being full of *****.

[Brandon]

20 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

Yes, it doesn't say the right of the militia, it says the people.

 

I agree with you, but I'd argue that the only definition of 'militia' in US law found in the Militia Acts could likely be construed to include all law-abiding adults anyway.  The 'unorganized' class of militia includes all males of draft age,  but since you can't deny a Constitutional right on the basis of age or sex,  if that definition were applied to 2A,  it would probably have to include all adults,  with the exception of those falling under prohibitions for felonies,  mental illness, etc.   

 

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title10/subtitleA/part1/chapter12&edition=prelim

 

Then again,  there are about 30 states that would immediately add such a legal definition of 'militia' that includes all law-abiding adults,  anyway,  if this ever became an issue. 

Edited June 23, 2022 by Brandon

[SoCal Deek]

54 minutes ago, TH3 said:

I get it that you are going to intepret a poorly written sentence they way you want. Bottom line is...The way America treats guns is by GOP interpetations and therefore laws right now. We have the most guns, the most gun deaths, we shred our school children while they sit in a classrooms...and its all the "acceptable" cost of our very liberal guns laws. 

Dude...I am sure I am more successful, more highly educated, have more money, have a better job, have more property, more cars, more friends,  and have a hotter wife than you could ever dream about. Now go take your gun into the bathroom have spank away with it....it will make you happy...

Ok….I’m calling it! Show us pictures of your wife. 😉

[LeviF]

Put your money where your mouth is. Donate a shitload of money to your local big city on the condition that it is used to arm their police department to the teeth and pay overtime for gun crime details where stop-and-frisk is utilized liberally and those found to be violating gun laws are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. 

Want to see gun violence drop? This plan has a track record of actually working. 

[Irv]

2 hours ago, TH3 said:

I get it that you are going to intepret a poorly written sentence they way you want. Bottom line is...The way America treats guns is by GOP interpetations and therefore laws right now. We have the most guns, the most gun deaths, we shred our school children while they sit in a classrooms...and its all the "acceptable" cost of our very liberal guns laws. 

Dude...I am sure I am more successful, more highly educated, have more money, have a better job, have more property, more cars, more friends,  and have a hotter wife than you could ever dream about. Now go take your gun into the bathroom have spank away with it....it will make you happy...

 

So that's a yes.  Candy ass club.  

[Beast]

3 hours ago, TH3 said:

I get it that you are going to intepret a poorly written sentence they way you want. Bottom line is...The way America treats guns is by GOP interpetations and therefore laws right now. We have the most guns, the most gun deaths, we shred our school children while they sit in a classrooms...and its all the "acceptable" cost of our very liberal guns laws. 

Dude...I am sure I am more successful, more highly educated, have more money, have a better job, have more property, more cars, more friends,  and have a hotter wife than you could ever dream about. Now go take your gun into the bathroom have spank away with it....it will make you happy...

 

LOL....sure you do.

 

🤡

 

I take my gun with me everywhere I go. Does that make you more worried I am going to shoot someone without cause or do you think it's more likely I will defend myself and others with cause?

[Orlando Tim]

5 hours ago, TH3 said:

I get it that you are going to intepret a poorly written sentence they way you want. Bottom line is...

It is not a poorly written sentence, it is clear and was agonized over for days. The rights to bear arms is extremely important if a citizenry is to retain it's independence. The fact that I those days it was while within the confines of a militia does not change the right. Only someone without any understanding of the war that had recently ended in out country and the society that Madison was dealing with would have an issue with the clearly worded meaning.

[Big Blitz]

 

 

 

"Illegitimate."  

 

 

 

 

 

I'm prepared for the government to go back to 1789 levels of involvement in our lives.  

 

Most of what they do isn't even in the Constitution.  

 

But guns are scary.  

[LeGOATski]

17 hours ago, Golden*Wheels said:

Looks like this will have repercussions for all the "may issue" states.

 

Much appreciated boys, from this CT resident.

 

 

Self defense classes wouldn't have really helped either unless the dude develops some situational awareness.

Kinda, but it could teach him how to get out of that choke hold.

 

I always pump my gas with my back to the car

[Niagara Bill]

What an incredible day.

One branch of the government entrenched the ability for all to carry guns, where ever, whenever.

Another says, but maybe not if you are a bad guy or mentally unstable, judged by the same guys who say you can

And yet another says no vaping with Juul because maybe, maybe it might harmful to your health.

Truly amazing. 

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

 

[aristocrat]

The headline should read…people who pass extensive background checks and get approval from the sheriff and have no red flags are allowed to carry weapons. This is what the left said they want.

[ALF]

Is it legal to open carry a loaded long gun , AR15 in public in NYS ?

[LeGOATski]

Just now, ALF said:

Is it legal to open carry a loaded long gun , AR15 in public in NYS ?

Depends... who's asking?

[LeviF]

20 minutes ago, ALF said:

Is it legal to open carry a loaded long gun , AR15 in public in NYS ?

 

With few exceptions no, it is not legal to open carry any firearm in NYS.

[ALF]

11 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

With few exceptions no, it is not legal to open carry any firearm in NYS.

 

It gets confusing seeing video news from other states . It was uncomfortable for me at least to see open carry long guns outside the Republican Convention in 2016 , Cleveland when Trump was nominated. There were a lot of people with opposite views and guns visible.

 

'Open carry' gun law gives Cleveland a headache for Republican convention

Toy guns and sharp-tipped umbrellas are banned from the vicinity of the event where Donald Trump will be nominated. Rifles, shotguns and pistols are not

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/14/open-carry-gun-law-cleveland-republican-convention

Edited June 24, 2022 by ALF

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

[LeviF]

2 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

It gets confusing seeing video news from other states . It was uncomfortable for me at least to see open carry long guns outside the Republican Convention in 2016 , Cleveland when Trump was nominated. There were a lot of people with opposite views and guns visible.

 

I can tell you from experience that open carrying a long gun (outside of hunting) also feels kind of weird. And I'm a gun guy lol. 

 

Even in a state that allows open carry for citizens I would still just conceal carry. I don't think there's any benefit to displaying your firearm unless you also have some displayed authority (badge, uniform, etc.).

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

[Niagara Bill]

So, if possession of a fire arm, for individual and property protection is allowed under the constitution as has been ruled then consider.

A week ago a BY Rzbferx Dan vest the crap out of a TB fan infront of a huge crowd. Why can't a person take a gun into the game. Would that not stop senseless violence. 

How can restriction of the gun rights be over ruled in a public space?

[Tiberius]

So won't the supreme court simply strike down this new set of laws? 

[B-Man]

 

HYPOCRISY: 

From D.C. to Olympia, Politicians – Guarded by Guns – Presume to Tell You How You’re Allowed to Defend Yourself and Your Family.

 

 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/from-d-c-to-olympia-politicians-guarded-by-guns-presume-to-tell-you-how-youre-allowed-to-defend-yourself-and-your-family/

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

On 6/24/2022 at 4:55 PM, B-Man said:

 

HYPOCRISY: 

From D.C. to Olympia, Politicians – Guarded by Guns – Presume to Tell You How You’re Allowed to Defend Yourself and Your Family.

 

 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/from-d-c-to-olympia-politicians-guarded-by-guns-presume-to-tell-you-how-youre-allowed-to-defend-yourself-and-your-family/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or Trump not allowing guns at NRA convention 

 

 

[BillStime]

Um what?

 

 

The cult does NOT care about kids

 

 

Idiots

 

[BillStime]

 

[Warcodered]

On 6/24/2022 at 8:08 AM, B-Man said:

 

 

It's good to know he took that incident so seriously in his decision as to not even know what weapon was actually used in it.

[LeviF]

4 hours ago, Warcodered said:

It's good to know he took that incident so seriously in his decision as to not even know what weapon was actually used in it.

It doesn’t matter. It was illegal for him to carry it. 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, LeviF said:

It doesn’t matter. It was illegal for him to carry it. 

So, he didn't know which law he was talking about then?

[LeviF]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

So, he didn't know which law he was talking about then?

What are you on about? The case was about New York’s onerous and subjective requirements for carrying a weapon in public. The dissent he’s referencing suggests that these requirements help stop mass shootings. 

[Tiberius]

 

[T master]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

 

What a DA of course it's the guns fault it was just sitting there & told the person that pulled the trigger hey let's go shoot someone today it's definitely not a people problem in any way shape or form !! 

 

Lets just shut down all the gun manufacturers go into every house in the US search & take every gun away from every citizen and the US will never have another ounce of gun violence ever any where I'm all in !! 

[Tiberius]

11 minutes ago, T master said:

 

What a DA of course it's the guns fault it was just sitting there & told the person that pulled the trigger hey let's go shoot someone today it's definitely not a people problem in any way shape or form !! 

 

Lets just shut down all the gun manufacturers go into every house in the US search & take every gun away from every citizen and the US will never have another ounce of gun violence ever any where I'm all in !! 

It’s just another way the lawless rights wants to sow chaos. Flood the nation with murder weapons and create death and mayhem, so that the pathologically unstable “strongman” can say he will fix everything 

[T master]

23 hours ago, Tiberius said:

It’s just another way the lawless rights wants to sow chaos. Flood the nation with murder weapons and create death and mayhem, so that the pathologically unstable “strongman” can say he will fix everything 

 

 

There are less guns per household now than in the 80's but more gun violence so that tells me there is more instability some where so it's either lack of parenting meaning no consequences for their actions or something such as some kind of mental instability in young people .

 

There is only 1 way a gun gets shot & that's if a person pulls the trigger & that person has to have intent to do bodily harm to anther human being so lets look at that problem but it's easier as i have said to just blame the guns even though there are less now than years ago ...

Edited June 28, 2022 by T master

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, T master said:

 

 

There are less guns per household now than in the 80's but more gun violence so that tells me there is more instability some where so it's either lack of parenting meaning no consequences for their actions or something such as me kind of mental instability in young people .

 

There is only 1 way a gun gets shot & that's if a person pulls the trigger & that person has to have intent to do bodily harm to anther human being so lets look at that problem but it's easier as i have said to just blame the guns even though there are less now than years ago ...

When you have anti-democratic rule things get worse. 2/3 of our nation is ruled by a very hostile minority, so ya, things will get worse. Why, it’s almost like it’s a plan or something 

[B-Man]

 

 

Another gun case waits in the wings.

 

Allen Whitaker is a resident of Washington, D.C., who holds a handgun license. In April 2019, police stopped Whitaker, who is Black and wears dreadlocks, and his male cousin at gunpoint when they were returning from a gun range with Whitaker’s daughter and girlfriend and stopped at a gas station at which a few of the other patrons got into an altercation. Noticing that Whitaker wore an empty pistol holster on his waist, the officers handcuffed the two men. They searched the vehicle as well as Whitaker and his family, found an amount of marijuana legally permissible in the District belonging to Whitaker’s girlfriend, and seized both the marijuana and Whitaker’s gun that was stored in a lockbox in the trunk. The police eventually released Whitaker and his family without charge, but they refused to return the handgun.

 

After applying to register a new firearm, Whitaker received notice from the Metropolitan Police Department that his gun license would be revoked. D.C. law allows the MPD to determine whether a person is a “suitable” applicant to own a handgun. The notice explained that the gas-station incident, combined with Whitaker’s misdemeanor criminal history that had been evaluated in his originally approved application for a gun license, demonstrated a “propensity for violence or instability” unsuitable for a firearm owner. The Concealed Pistol Licensing Review Board denied Whitaker’s administrative appeal. Whitaker filed suit in the D.C. Court of Appeals, which dismissed the case as moot after the MPD voluntarily reinstated Whitaker’s license mid-litigation. In Whitaker v. District of Columbia Concealed Pistol Licensing Review Board, Whitaker asks the justices to review two aspects of the appeals court’s dismissal.

 

On the merits, Whitaker argues that the D.C. regulation is unconstitutionally vague. The “propensity for violence or instability” standard, Whitaker says, “confers standardless discretion on the MPD to disqualify anyone [for a gun license] based on the agency’s subjective judgment.”

 

 

I agree, and the Court should, too.

 

https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/06/another-gun-case-waits-in-the-wings/

 

 

[LeviF]

Downtown Atlanta. 
 

Run by the lawless right? Interesting take. Wonder how many illegal guns Atlanta PD has proactively taken off the street in the last two years.