What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

At what point does the right to carry guns interfere with the rights of others to live a civil, peaceful life without the threat of violence? Do we want guns in our churches, bars, football stadiums, shopping malls, etc? Can I take my AR15 to Foxboro when the Bills are playing? Can crazy Dolphins fans bring theirs to Highmark? At some point, there has to be limits.

 

Businesses still have the right to deny or allow whatever they like. 

[BillStime]

This is what our political discourse has become?

 

The CULT is sick - talk about grooming

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

SMFH

 

 

 

And none of those people will ever use their firearms in a violent way. 

 

Unlike criminals on the streets. 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

And none of those people will ever use their firearms in a violent way. 

 

Unlike criminals on the streets. 

 

THIS IS NOT NORMAL.

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

Just now, BillStime said:

 

THIS IS NOT NORMAL.

 

 

Pretty clear... you've missed their point. 

[BillStime]

Just now, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Pretty clear... you've missed their point. 

 

What message are they sending?

[ArdmoreRyno]

This is why gun rights are so important.... 

 

 

Just now, BillStime said:

 

What message are they sending?

 

That we have RIGHTS to firearms, despite how they make YOU feel. You'd not see these type of photos if the left didn't attack the 2A at every turn. 

[716er]

On 8/3/2022 at 11:02 AM, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Education

Quality of Life

Job opportunities

Health care

Taxes

Crime

Overall Economy 

 

I can add more if you like. Just use this new invention called "Google"  

 

Florida is not in the top 10 for most of those metrics per "Google" searching

[Andy1]

3 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

And none of those people will ever use their firearms in a violent way. 

 

Unlike criminals on the streets. 

Please tell me what a criminal on the street looks like so I can tell the good guys from the bad guys.

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

This is why gun rights are so important.... 

 

 

 

That we have RIGHTS to firearms, despite how they make YOU feel. You'd not see these type of photos if the left didn't attack the 2A at every turn. 

 

We have a lot of rights... and regulations and laws.

 

And 100% of us have the right to live without being destroyed in public by insecure nut jobs like you.

 

NO ONE OUTSIDE MILITARY NEEDS AN AR-15 - I don't care WTF you have to say.

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

Just now, 716er said:

 

Florida is not in the top 10 for most of those metrics per "Google" searching

 

Overall dude... NY State is top 10 in healthcare, but they overall rank about 20th. 

 

I can post a dozen links ranking the top 10 states and Florida is every one. 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Overall dude... NY State is top 10 in healthcare, but they overall rank about 20th. 

 

I can post a dozen links ranking the top 10 states and Florida is every one. 

 

Where are you from and where do you live now?

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

We have a lot of rights... and regulations and laws.

 

And 100% of us have the right to live without being destroyed in public by insecure nut jobs like you.

 

NO ONE OUTSIDE MILITARY NEEDS AN AR-15 - I don't care WTF you have to say.

 

 

One of the BEST home self defense guns in the United States. I don't really care WTF you have to say to be honest, no one is taking my collection (which has never harmed a soul... like 99.9% of all AR platforms). 

You're so damn idiotic, you HARP and FIXATE on ONE weapons platform that accounts for 0.02% of ALL gun homicides and 0.0088% of ALL gun deaths. 

 

Yea, the AR is the issue 🤣

 

Just now, BillStime said:

 

Where are you from and where do you live now?

 

 

 

Not sure the relevance. Maybe you can explain why that matters?

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

One of the BEST home self defense guns in the United States. I don't really care WTF you have to say to be honest, no one is taking my collection (which has never harmed a soul... like 99.9% of all AR platforms). 

You're so damn idiotic, you HARP and FIXATE on ONE weapons platform that accounts for 0.02% of ALL gun homicides and 0.0088% of ALL gun deaths. 

 

Yea, the AR is the issue 🤣

 

 

Not sure the relevance. Maybe you can explain why that matters?

 

Enjoy your guns - good luck getting the ammo for them.

 

And why so shy about where you're from?  

 

I'm originally from the 716 and now live in the 617.

 

You're so proud of Florida - so proud of Death DeSantis - I figured you lived there - right?

[ArdmoreRyno]

12 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Enjoy your guns - good luck getting the ammo for them.

 

And why so shy about where you're from?  

 

I'm originally from the 716 and now live in the 617.

 

You're so proud of Florida - so proud of Death DeSantis - I figured you lived there - right?

 

Don't live in Florida, I live in the Texoma area and it's a gorgeous place, minus the 100+ degree weather the past month. Rivers, creeks, lakes, green, rolling hills, SPACE. I have 30 acres outside of the town I live in and can go outside and do pretty much whatever TF I want to do. I'm 90 minutes from DFW, 90 minutes from OKC. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. 

 

I'm not too concerned about ammo brother. Sorry to burst your bubble, there are a plethora of manufactures out there... but best of all? I roll my own. Only thing I don't load is .22LR. You going to ban lead? LOL

Edited August 5, 2022 by ArdmoreRyno

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Don't live in Florida, I live in the Texoma area and it's a gorgeous area, minus the 100+ degree weather the past month. 

 

I'm not too concerned about ammo brother. Sorry to burst your bubble, there are a plethora of manufactures out there... but best of all? I roll my own. Only thing I don't load is .22LR. You going to ban lead? LOL

Are you a Bills fan?

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Are you a Bills fan?

 

Seriously? WTF would I be here if I wasn't? 

 

(ever heard of Thurman Thomas? When he was drafted in 1988 from my alma mater (I was 13), I started to follow the Bills. I fell in love with them, despite living in an area where everyone is a damn Dallas fan)

 

That okay with you? 

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Seriously? WTF would I be here if I wasn't? 

 

(ever heard of Thurman Thomas? When he was drafted in 1988 from my alma mater (I was 13), I started to follow the Bills. I fell in love with them, despite living in an area where everyone is a damn Dallas fan)

 

That okay with you? 

 

Um, we do have non Bills fans who post here - I figured you were just a paid troll.

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

Just now, BillStime said:

 

Um, we do have non Bills fans who post here - I figured you were just a paid troll.

 

 

 

Because I (and clearly, many others on this forum) think you're an idiot with your political stances? They disagree, so they are trolls. 

 

Gotcha

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Because I (and clearly, many others on this forum) think you're an idiot with your political stances? They disagree, so they are trolls. 

 

Gotcha

 

No - you pretty much only chime in about guns and quickly jump in to remind us that your guns are more important to you than human life.

 

You already told us you wouldn't give up your gun if you knew it would save a loved one.

 

[aristocrat]

Just now, BillStime said:

 

No - you pretty much only chime in about guns and quickly jump in to remind us that your guns are more important to you than human life.

 

You already told us you wouldn't give up your gun if you knew it would save a loved one.

 

 

You do realize your only responses to anything is something about Trump right? That's all you have. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

14 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

No - you pretty much only chime in about guns and quickly jump in to remind us that your guns are more important to you than human life.

 

You already told us you wouldn't give up your gun if you knew it would save a loved one.

 

 

Strawman much? 

[B-Man]

23 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

You do realize your only responses to anything is something about Trump right? That's all you have. 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

"Call me Ishmael" - BillStime

[BillStime]

11 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Strawman much? 

Nope. I guess you forgot our exchange before your big “vacation”

 

 

On 5/28/2022 at 5:49 PM, ArdmoreRyno said:

I’m not giving up any of my firearms. They are locked away in my gun safe and have never hurt anyone. You’ll find 99.9% of owners would say the same. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

Nope. I guess you forgot our exchange before your big “vacation”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, strawman argument. 

 

Keep trying dude. You're good at grasping! 

 

(get rid of all cars to prevent car deaths)

[BillStime]

Just now, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Again, strawman argument. 

 

Keep trying dude. You're good at grasping! 

 

(get rid of all cars to prevent car deaths)

Nope - you’re the one who literally said you would not be giving up your guns - family be damned.

 

Keep spinning 

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Nope - you’re the one who literally said you would not be giving up your guns - family be damned.

 

Keep spinning 

 

Not sure you understand the term "literally". 

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Not sure you understand the term "literally". 

Keep spinning and deflecting - history (and your own words) are not on your side.

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

Just now, BillStime said:

Keep spinning and deflecting - history (and your own words) are not on your side.

 

 

 

Again, you seem to struggle with reading comprehension. 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Again, you seem to struggle with reading comprehension. 

Nope. 
 

You’re struggling with who you are and what you say.

 

Own it 

[ArdmoreRyno]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Nope. 
 

You’re struggling with who you are and what you say.

 

Own it 

 

Have a good weekend my man. I'm out of the office till Monday! 

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Have a good weekend my man. I'm out of the office till Monday! 

You too! 

[B-Man]

 

 

Since this article about the actual point of the thread got buried by the "back and forth",

 

I will re-post.

 

15 hours ago, B-Man said:

The Supreme Court's Bruen Gun Decision Is Even Bigger Than You Think

BY VICTORIA TAFT AUG 04, 2022

 

 

 

Since Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas made crystal clear in his ruling in New York Pistol and Rifle v. Bruen that the Second Amendment is not a second-class civil right, the question becomes: how far does this decision go? After consulting several gun and constitutional lawyers, here’s the short answer: very far. Read on.

 

Thomas stated unequivocally that Americans’ right to carry a gun outside the home has been treated as a second-class right in modern times. Indeed, the whims of politicians have been treated with more respect than bedrock constitutional principles surrounding Americans’ right to defend themselves with guns.

 

Thomas wrote, “we know of no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need. That is not how the First Amendment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment works when it comes to a defendant’s right to confront the witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self-defense.”

 

The decision didn’t touch on the issues of licensing, background checks, training requirements, or limiting who may have a gun permit in the case of felons and the mentally incapable.

 

Since the decision came out on June 23, I’ve sought the answer to the question I posed above. I’ve spoken to gun law experts around the country and sought to put things in perspective.

 

More questions arise. Does the decision affecting guns “in common use” also apply to bans on certain guns, such as AR-15s, that are owned by millions of American gun owners? What about parts you put on a gun? What about restrictions on what you put in a gun? Various states around the country limit gun accouterments such as ammunition, so-called “precursor [gun] parts,” magazine sizes, ammo size, stocks, sights, changeable lowers, and other parts. Four states require that special permits be obtained before being able to buy ammo. And there are several different kinds of permits for various bullet sizes. Clearly, these are attempts to create a barrier to defending yourself.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2022/08/04/the-supreme-courts-bruen-gun-decision-is-even-bigger-than-you-think-n1608747

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

CIVIL RIGHTS UPDATE: Desperate California Anti-Gunners Wreck Junior Shooter Clubs. 

 

“Of course, A.B. 2571 wasn’t sold as an attempt to prohibit passing an appreciation for shooting sports from one generation to the next.

 

It was peddled instead as a restriction on marketing guns to kids, as if there’s a danger of tiny tots disguising themselves as their parents to get through the background checks at sporting-goods stores.”

 

https://reason.com/2022/08/05/desperate-california-anti-gunners-wreck-junior-shooter-clubs/

 

 

 

.

[BillStime]

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 8/4/2022 at 8:33 PM, B-Man said:

Thomas stated unequivocally that Americans’ right to carry a gun outside the home

Yesterday’s wild savage animal or hostile outlaw attacking one on the way to local watering hole in 1782, is todays ________ attacking one driving their gos powered fortified horseless buggy to Starbucks for a mocca chocca latte….

 

I just can’t come up with the modern day parallel 

[BillStime]

🎯

 

 

[aristocrat]

38 minutes ago, BillStime said:

🎯

 

 

Guy laughing was clearly planted with that quick action.

 

second, why was beto for taking ar’s during his campaign, then against it while campaigning pre Uvalde and is now again against them? 

[ArdmoreRyno]

10 hours ago, BillStime said:

🎯

 

 

 

Beto is a complete jackass. Mr. Grandstanding 

 

Attempted burglary, breaking and entering, DUI, admitted steading intellectual property via hacking. *NEVER* and a real job, outside working for family doing mindless stuff. 

 

Solid citizen. 

Edited August 11, 2022 by ArdmoreRyno