Alphadawg7 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I am not a guy who thinks we should just trade good players, but I am coming around to the thinking that we should seriously consider moving Stevie. The guy is hurt every week. How many games has he left now? The wind blows by him and he gets a spasm. I like Stevie, and he runs good routes. However, Woods can already do what Stevie does and can be everything Stevie can be with better hands. Goodwin is too good not to get on the field more too and can stretch the field opposite Woods. We have youth at WR and talent there beyond just Stevie. He frequently comes up small in big situations and is always leaving games hurt. Would rather trade him for a 3rd, and use our first few rounds of picks targeting OL, physical WR, and dynamic TE. He is in no way the reason for our woes, but I just can't see having a #1 WR anymore who isn't physical, has inconsistent hands, disappears in big moments or flat our drops the passes, and can't stay on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Gannon was talking about how we have no tall WRs; time to activate Tommy Streeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 i feel bad for stevie having to be a WR with such an awful group of QBs. Sure he has dropped some big passes--but id like to see him with a manziel type a guy --a guy who will make stevie's quick moves pay off more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO'14 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Hes our best player on the field. Has had a great career for the Bills. Not a cancer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Gannon was talking about how we have no tall WRs; time to activate Tommy Streeter BB i like your draft--but lets get a LB in there at 2 or 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Stevie is more valuable to this team than the fifth rounder we'd get for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 BB i like your draft--but lets get a LB in there at 2 or 3 Thanks inside or outside? I think we are set inside. We really need a TE so not at two, I can see maybe getting a guard latter, do you feel Lagursky is good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oman128 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 stevie is just an average receiver nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtampacane Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Gannon was talking about how we have no tall WRs; time to activate Tommy Streeter I'm a Cane and I fell over and spit water on my keyboard. Tommy Streeter isn't NFL ready. He spent two years doing nothing, then Al Golden revitalized his career to which he played very well to which Streeter rewarded the school and the coaches by leaving early, all to become a late round pick. I still don't think he's caught a ball in the NFL. Ask the Ravens fans about Tommy's work ethic. Golden and his coaches were the only guys to turn on the switch, but otherwise he's another from that Miami Northwestern class that was supposed to dominate that ended up doing next to nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I am not a guy who thinks we should just trade good players, but I am coming around to the thinking that we should seriously consider moving Stevie. The guy is hurt every week. How many games has he left now? The wind blows by him and he gets a spasm. I like Stevie, and he runs good routes. However, Woods can already do what Stevie does and can be everything Stevie can be with better hands. Goodwin is too good not to get on the field more too and can stretch the field opposite Woods. We have youth at WR and talent there beyond just Stevie. He frequently comes up small in big situations and is always leaving games hurt. Would rather trade him for a 3rd, and use our first few rounds of picks targeting OL, physical WR, and dynamic TE. He is in no way the reason for our woes, but I just can't see having a #1 WR anymore who isn't physical, has inconsistent hands, disappears in big moments or flat our drops the passes, and can't stay on the field. Why we have to have sily notions like this after every loss? You're right, Stevie is in no way the reason for our woes. So why continue to rag on him? You don't make a bad team better by dumping the only good players you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Gannon was talking about how we have no tall WRs; time to activate Tommy Streeter Easley........No we love Smurfs,that can`t catch. But boy can they run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enlightener Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 hes a great 2, in a few years maybe hell work out for once in the off season and get some size and stop getting hurt. Hes had better hands lately nd isn't the problem. where was woods today? wheres the QB who can throw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I'm a Cane and I fell over and spit water on my keyboard. Tommy Streeter isn't NFL ready. He spent two years doing nothing, then Al Golden revitalized his career to which he played very well to which Streeter rewarded the school and the coaches by leaving early, all to become a late round pick. I still don't think he's caught a ball in the NFL. Ask the Ravens fans about Tommy's work ethic. Golden and his coaches were the only guys to turn on the switch, but otherwise he's another from that Miami Northwestern class that was supposed to dominate that ended up doing next to nothing. only saw him once in college so have no real opinion of him but he's tall and on the PS so ... Easley........No we love Smurfs,that can`t catch. But boy can they run. I like our WRs for the most part I just think they were out of sink with EJ (of course its hard to jump 20 ft in the air) but we could use some taller ones and can we PLEASE GET A FRIGGIN PASS CATCHING TE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Bad Hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Easley........No we love Smurfs,that can`t catch. But boy can they run. I was going to post the same thing. You beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Might be time to give Easley and Hogan serious playing time. As for Stevie, the season is now over, let him rest and heal. . . . Trade him? STOP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I am waiting for TJ Graham to be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 hes a great 2, in a few years maybe hell work out for once in the off season and get some size and stop getting hurt. Hes had better hands lately nd isn't the problem. where was woods today? wheres the QB who can throw? Woods didn't play today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) We should trade him like we did Lynch, give talent a chance to shine elsewhere. Put CJ on the market as well, soft and always hurt, trade him too... Edited November 11, 2013 by bouds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 It's the same groin injury that has popped up 2-3 times this season. He's trying to play through it, and reaggravated it a couple times. But he wears his hat backwards and seems to be having a good time, so he's clearly a selfish me-first player. The Bills should cut him and sign more guys like Chris Hogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I am not a guy who thinks we should just trade good players, Good cause how is that working out for the Sabres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDVA Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 The guy is oft injured because he doesn't lift. Bottom line if you know anything about athletics you MUST hit the weight room. Stevie just does 'his own thing' each offseason which admittedly isn't hitting the weights. Also, who is going to trade for a #2 WR? I know Bills homers think different but reality is he is nothing more than a #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 The guy is oft injured because he doesn't lift. Bottom line if you know anything about athletics you MUST hit the weight room. Stevie just does 'his own thing' each offseason which admittedly isn't hitting the weights. Also, who is going to trade for a #2 WR? I know Bills homers think different but reality is he is nothing more than a #2 Maybe he will start jogging in the offseason ? Last year it was all just brisk walks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 When I saw SJ walk off the field yesterday my first thought was Ricky Watters infamous, "For what? For what?" comment years ago. I don't know if the facts back it up but my perception is that Stevie will gut it out if the Bills are in the game but if they're not it's off to the locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 SJ isn't a number 1 receiver in the NFL. It's the Bills' fault for putting him in that position. A true #1 guy in the NFL is big, fast and physical. SJ is more of a Wes Welker kind of guy (although admittedly, not as tough) and most of his big plays this year were from the slot. Teams that truly thrive in the passing game are teams with big, physical receivers. The Lions are a great example. Not only do they have Megatron but they have TWO pass catching tight ends. Stafford can afford to throw the ball consistently, there is usually someone he can at least chuck it too and have them go up and attempt to make a play. So no, SJ shouldn't be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Bills Fan Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Stevie is a crap receiver. Drops the ball in big games. Costs his team yards (and probably a game or two) with his stupid celebrations. And he's hurt all the time. Only with this team would we accept such an undeservedly ego-centric player as our "best player" simply because he probably chose to stay with the Bills where he always has an excuse rather than try to go to a team where he would be exposed. Too bad it's too late to trade him. Maybe in the off season he would be worth a 3rd or 4th rounder, and then use the freed-up money on another area of the team that need help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 When I saw SJ walk off the field yesterday my first thought was Ricky Watters infamous, "For what? For what?" comment years ago. I don't know if the facts back it up but my perception is that Stevie will gut it out if the Bills are in the game but if they're not it's off to the locker room. Read the buffalo news story. He hurt his other groin and said that unless it improves, there's no way he can play next week. Just because he left the field late in a bad game doesn't mean he's dogging it. Correlation doesn't equal causation ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO'14 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 SJ isn't a number 1 receiver in the NFL. It's the Bills' fault for putting him in that position. A true #1 guy in the NFL is big, fast and physical. SJ is more of a Wes Welker kind of guy (although admittedly, not as tough) and most of his big plays this year were from the slot. Teams that truly thrive in the passing game are teams with big, physical receivers. The Lions are a great example. Not only do they have Megatron but they have TWO pass catching tight ends. Stafford can afford to throw the ball consistently, there is usually someone he can at least chuck it too and have them go up and attempt to make a play. So no, SJ shouldn't be traded. Comparing SJ to Wes Welker......As the old saying goes...whatever your smoking, give me some of that shi.t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) Stevie is the best receiver the Bills have. He stays. No question. Did you see Stevie's postgame interview with Murphy? http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Stevie-Johnson-My-frustration-level-is-a-10/217dcd86-9164-4f88-b135-def73340db34 Looked to me like the veteran players are now defeated mentally. Coach's fault for that. If your team doesn't want to win and doesn't want it badly, how the hell do you expect to win? When EJ is in at Qb this team looks like a team just going through the motions of football without any spark or emotion. I think that lack of leadership at the helm and lack of a "win or die trying" attitude spreads to the rest of the team and diminishes everyone's performance. Stevie is good. He is just sick of losing. Look at his interview and how he talked about needing to win as a team. This team doesn't play as a united team. Edited November 11, 2013 by PolishDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Comparing SJ to Wes Welker......As the old saying goes...whatever your smoking, give me some of that shi.t It is the role he best fits. Let me guess, you're a guy on the internet who doesn't do well with reading comprehension. Great shtick, have never seen anyone play THAT role before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Monkeyhead Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) I am not a guy who thinks we should just trade good players, but I am coming around to the thinking that we should seriously consider moving Stevie. The guy is hurt every week. How many games has he left now? The wind blows by him and he gets a spasm. I like Stevie, and he runs good routes. However, Woods can already do what Stevie does and can be everything Stevie can be with better hands. Goodwin is too good not to get on the field more too and can stretch the field opposite Woods. We have youth at WR and talent there beyond just Stevie. He frequently comes up small in big situations and is always leaving games hurt. Would rather trade him for a 3rd, and use our first few rounds of picks targeting OL, physical WR, and dynamic TE. He is in no way the reason for our woes, but I just can't see having a #1 WR anymore who isn't physical, has inconsistent hands, disappears in big moments or flat our drops the passes, and can't stay on the field. Woods can already do what Stevie does? That I do not agree with. Stevie is a veteran WR that is known around the league as one of the most creative route runners and very challenging to cover. Woods does not have all the experience going up against the defenders Stevie has. This kind of experience does not come to a rookie in half a season. Just because the QB isn't finding Stevie doesn't mean he's not open. Edited November 11, 2013 by UncleMonkeyHead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO'14 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 It is the role he best fits. Let me guess, you're a guy on the internet who doesn't do well with reading comprehension. Great shtick, have never seen anyone play THAT role before. Nope, im a guy that has watched SJ13 drop passes, take stupid penalties, celebrate 1rst downs early in games, take to twitter and ask Jesus why he let him down, get injured every season, not train during the off season, make rap videos...basically do everything that has been done before in Chad Ocho Cinco or Terrell Owens. He is an attention seeker. He is a turd. He is a cancer on this team. and Finally, using SJ13 in the same sentence as Wes Welker is just plain ignorant! Have a great day Luka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 stevie is just an average receiver nothing more, nothing less. I totally agree nothing special at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I totally agree nothing special at all. If Johnson were on the Pats he'd be one of the most productive receivers in the league. He runs great routes, gets open, and is athletic. He's tailor-made for a Brady-run offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 The Bills are so set at WR, T.J. Graham started. For a guy who is always hurt he hadn't missed a game in 3 seasons before the Bengals game. They're not helping a young QB by giving him guys like Graham to throw the ball to. Goodwin and Woods have shown potential. Still after Johnson the Bills have potential and an average TE to throw to. He's a middle of the road #1 wr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) I am not a guy who thinks we should just trade good players, but I am coming around to the thinking that we should seriously consider moving Stevie. The guy is hurt every week. How many games has he left now? The wind blows by him and he gets a spasm. Exactly the reason why no one would trade anything of value for him. He gets open but drops the big ones, he does not have the speed to be a game changing WR (but probably OK for a slot receiver), seems to have chronic groin and hamstring issues and can't stay on the field (or shouldn't be on the field). What would you think if the Bills traded a decent draft pick to another team for a SJ13 clone? Edited November 11, 2013 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviejohnsonfan Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 The reality is, you wouldn't get compensation equal to his value to the team. So unless he starts to behave in such a way that would demand his exit, it's best to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 The thing I remember from yesterday is how he almost cost us 15 by spike-spinning the ball right in the face of his defender after his last catch. I understand he was frustrated, but at that point I actually wished the flag had been thrown. It was like the yapping and posing that Jerry Hughes did after he came free and sacked Big Ben with the score what, 23-3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I am not a guy who thinks we should just trade good players, but I am coming around to the thinking that we should seriously consider moving Stevie. The guy is hurt every week. How many games has he left now? The wind blows by him and he gets a spasm. I like Stevie, and he runs good routes. However, Woods can already do what Stevie does and can be everything Stevie can be with better hands. Goodwin is too good not to get on the field more too and can stretch the field opposite Woods. We have youth at WR and talent there beyond just Stevie. He frequently comes up small in big situations and is always leaving games hurt. Would rather trade him for a 3rd, and use our first few rounds of picks targeting OL, physical WR, and dynamic TE. He is in no way the reason for our woes, but I just can't see having a #1 WR anymore who isn't physical, has inconsistent hands, disappears in big moments or flat our drops the passes, and can't stay on the field. No he can't. He may develop into as good a WR as SJ, but he's not there yet. SJ's jukes off the line to get open are some of the very best in the NFL. See: the play where he was wide open in the end zone last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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