NFL draft rumors 2024

[HappyDays]

It's that time for the annual draft rumors thread.

 

Most of the rumors I post are from Charlie Campbell. Every year a few of his rumors come to fruition and he's one of the most reliable mock drafters in the industry - two years ago he correctly mocked all of the top 10 picks which is almost impossible to do. So his information is legitimate.

 

Any legitimate looking rumors posted in the thread I will add to this original post.

 

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https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-nfl-draft-week-rumors-thursday.php

 

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For months, I have had the Jets taking Georgia tight end Brock Bowers with the 10th-overall pick, and that outcome sounds like is a real possibility for the Jets. However in speaking to sources with the team, it sounds like drafting Bowers at No. 10 is actually Plan C. Jets general manager Joe Douglas badly wants to trade down in the first round. Douglas wants to acquire a second-round pick, and if the Jets trade down, it sounds like their top target would be LSU wide receiver Brian Thomas Jr. The Jets want to get a second-round pick to add depth to their offensive line, or possibly take another wide receiver.

 

If the Jets are forced to stick at pick No. 10, they would prefer to draft Washington wide receiver Rome Odunze, who the decision-makers like more than Bowers. The Jets feel they need another wideout because Mike Williams is coming off an injury, plus they want another playmaker to attack defenses. They feel they would be in serious trouble if Garrett Wilson were to go down with an injury, and in a critical year, they would prefer to not be lacking depth at a critical position. That being said, the Jets do not expect Odunze to make it to the 10th pick of the 2024 NFL Draft.

 

If Odunze is off the board and the Jets are unable to trade down, Bowers is likely to be their pick. It sounds like the Jets are comfortable with his medical, and they feel he could be an excellent weapon for Aaron Rodgers. They like the tight ends they have, so they do not feel they are desperate at the position. Hence, the Jets prefer Odunze if both would be available. It will be fascinating to see if the Jets can pull off Plan A with a trade down, manage to exeucte Plan B by selecting Odunze, or are forced into Plan C and take Bowers.

 

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Some team sources think Alabama edge rusher Dallas Turner could slide some in the first round of the 2024 NFL Draft. Some franchises had some medical issues come back on Turner, which could lead him to going lower than the consensus has been during the pre-draft process.

 

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Sources said the New York Giants are unlikely to take a quarterback in the early rounds 2024 NFL Draft. That would be different if the Giants were in position to land one of the top three: Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, and Drake Maye. All three are expected to be gone after the opening three selections. It sounds like the Giants do not value J.J. McCarthy that highly. Michael Penix Jr. would be a potential pick if he got to the Giants’ second-round pick, but Penix is not expected to make it close to pick No. 47 on Friday night. Sources said the Giants are very unlikely to take other possible second-day quarterbacks like Bo Nix or Spencer Rattler. It sounds like the Giants plan to fill other positions over taking Nix or Rattler on Day 2 of the 2024 NFL Draft.

 

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The Bills will basically scour the Earth for receiver help this draft. Word is that they love Odunze and loosely know what it would take to acquire him. Do I expect Buffalo to trade up for him? No, that's a steep climb into the top 10. But that's a window into the legwork that Buffalo is doing on the WR position.

 

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While the Cardinals at No. 4 can effectively serve as the draft's pivot point for a trade, teams I've spoken to believe the Chargers are eager to trade back at No. 5, too. "The Chargers have made that clear -- they want to move back," an NFL executive said. "They probably want an [offensive] tackle."

 

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I've been told the Giants and Vikings are the two teams that have been most active in discussions with the Patriots about the No. 3 pick, and that if Washington takes Daniels at No. 2, the Giants would be very interested in trading up to No. 3 for Maye. I've also been told in recent days that the Giants like Penix and might even be willing to take him as high as No. 6. There's a lot of chatter flying around, but what is clear is that the Giants have done significant work on the quarterbacks and are very open, if not desperate, to come out of Thursday night with one of them.

 

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When I ask teams to predict which player will be the fourth receiver taken, one name that comes up fairly often is Texas' Xavier Worthy. Elite speed goes high. LSU's Brian Thomas Jr. is in that conversation, too. He's bracing to go somewhere in the teens or early-to-mid 20s. Thomas was part of the combine medical recheck due to a shoulder issue from college, but teams I've spoken to say that's not a major red flag -- just something they would have to manage in Year 1. He's extremely talented.

 

 

https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-nfl-draft-week-rumors-wednesday.php

 

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As we reported here yesterday in the Hot Press, there is buzz from sources that the Raiders could easily take an offensive tackle at pick No. 13 and then look to trade back into the first round for Washington quarterback Michael Penix Jr. However, that strategy runs the risk of another team taking Penix and/or trading up in front of Las Vegas to get him. Thus, the Raiders would be taking a risk with such a plan. The question then becomes: do the Raiders like Penix enough to take him as the 13th pick of the 2024 NFL Draft?

 

That decision will be made by owner Mark Davis, general manager Tom Telesco and head coach Antonio Pierce. From his time as the Chargers’ general manager, Telesco is notorious for being tight-lipped and not seeking the opinion of his staff on players, ideas for roster improvement, or general feedback on the team. However, I have heard from sources that Telesco is said to be enamored with Penix. But those sources did not know if he liked Penix enough to value him as a top-16 pick. They thought the Raiders were more comfortable with taking another position at No. 13 and then moving up for Penix. However with the 2024 NFL Draft under 48 hours away all, rumors have to be taken with some consideration of doubt and smokescreen. There is no doubt that it will be fascinating to see what Las Vegas does on Thursday night.

 

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Over the course of the draft process, there have been more frequent reports about some teams grading out LSU wide receiver Malik Nabers higher than Ohio State wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr. That definitely is the case; I know sources with multiple teams that said their franchises have Nabers over Harrison.

 

One AFC director of player personnel told WalterFootball.com:

 

"Nabers’ tape is more impressive than Harrison’s …. We have a blue – elite – grade on Nabers with Harrison in gold. We think Harrison could get to blue as a pro, but right now, Nabers is the only receiver we have in blue."

 

While Nabers has some teams rating him ahead of Harrison, one thing going for Harrison is there are teams that have some character concerns with Nabers. Harrison did not come up with character concerns. Sources from multiple teams with top-10 picks said they had character marks for Nabers. That being said, they said the character was not bad enough to cause them to pass on him based on the questions or remove him from their draft board. Thus, Nabers looks like a near lock for the top six of the 2024 NFL Draft.

 

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Another wide receiver who has been hurt by character and makeup concerns is Texas’ Adonai Mitchell. NFL teams found character issues with Mitchell at Texas and from his early years at Georgia. Another factor that has hurt Mitchell is franchises feeling he does a poor job of managing his Type-1 diabetes. Mitchell has a first-round skill set, but if he slides to very late in the first round or to the second round, it will be because of the character issues and concerns with how he manages his diabetes.

 

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Other prospects have had major character issues that have really hurt them with NFL teams. Some NFL sources said their teams had dropped Ohio State defensive tackle Michael Hall Jr., Alabama wide receiver Jermaine Burton and Texas defensive tackle T’Vondre Sweat off their draft boards because of character. All three have early-round skill sets, but each could slide in the 2024 NFL Draft because of character problems.

 

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Every year, there are some prospects that benefit from a lot of media hype and others who don’t receive the attention they deserve. WalterFootball.com surveyed team sources as to which players were being overrated and overhyped, as well as which players they considered underrated

 

Overrated

Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia

Roger Rosengarten, OT, Washington

Graham Barton, OL, Duke

 

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Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State

Kris Jenkins, DT, Michigan

Sedrick Van Pran-Granger, C, Georgia

 

 

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Contrary to a vast amount of projection since March 15 — when the Minnesota Vikings dealt for the Houston Texans’ No. 23 overall pick — there is a growing consensus among NFL teams that McCarthy is not the primary target in a potential trade-up for the Vikings. Instead, it’s believed Minnesota’s top target is Maye. He has a connection with quarterbacks coach Josh McCown, who coached Maye in high school.

 

There’s also a twist in all of this. A very well-connected league source told Yahoo Sports they firmly believe that if the Patriots take Maye, the Vikings are comfortable standing down in trade talks and using one of their two first-round picks — either No. 11 or No. 23 — to select Oregon quarterback Bo Nix. It’s worth noting here that Nix had a private workout for the Vikings earlier this month.

 

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The closer we get to the draft and the more I hear the assessments on the running back class, the more I think there’s a shot that the bulk of the class comes off the board in the third round. I wrote a more expansive piece about the running backs last week, but I have some new data after my last dive into calls. While there has been some consideration about a surprise “first” running back off the board, I’m more confident now that it will either be Texas’ Jonathon Brooks or Florida State’s Trey Benson. That’s not exactly a revelation with both being in play at the top of the running back stack, but it now feels like they're more of a tier unto themselves, with the next tier being a mixture of Michigan’s Blake Corum, Wisconsin’s Braelon Allen and Tennessee’s Jaylen Wright.

 

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Unless Georgia’s Ladd McConkey or South Carolina’s Xavier Legette crashes the party, I think the first-round wide receiver group will be capped at five minimum and six maximum. That consists of Ohio State’s Marvin Harrison Jr., LSU’s Malik Nabers and Brian Thomas Jr., Washington’s Rome Odunze and Texas’ Xavier Worthy. A player teetering is Texas’ Adonai Mitchell, who has some more deeply split opinions than the other five.

 

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The offensive tackle run in the first round is going to be wild. There’s a chance that seven tackles go in the first 32 picks: Notre Dame’s Joe Alt, Penn State’s Olu Fashanu, Alabama’s JC Latham, Oregon State’s Taliese Fuaga, Washington’s Troy Fautanu, Oklahoma’s Tyler Guyton and Georgia’s Amarius Mims. Some teams also see BYU’s Kingsley Suamataia as a potential late first-round pick as well. The three interesting players from this group to keep an eye on are Fashanu, Latham and Mims. There are split opinions on all three. I wouldn’t be stunned if Fashanu and Latham weren’t the second and third tackles off the board behind Alt (which is the slot they’re often mocked to), or if Mims potentially slips out of the first and into the top of the second round. Bottom line: Tackle order is going to be a little more chaotic than people might think.

 

 

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Yesterday, we reported here in the Hot Press how some sources with teams in the top 10 said Minnesota is definitely trading up for a quarterback. Another team that sources say is aggressively trying to figure out a trade-up in the first round is the Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo front office has been calling teams and gauging trades to be prepared to move up on Thursday night. Sources say the Bills are targeting a wide receiver, and the most likely targets are LSU’s Brian Thomas Jr. and Texas’ Xavier Worthy. Both are possibilities for Buffalo, but it sounds like the preference is toward Thomas. After trading veteran Stefon Diggs, it sounds like Buffalo is going to be aggressive about finding Josh Allen’s next No. 1 receiver.

 

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For months now, the consensus has been that the Washington Commanders would take LSU quarterback Jayden Daniels with the second-overall pick of the 2024 NFL Draft. There have been some projections of the Commanders taking North Carolina’s Drake Maye or Michigan’s J.J. McCarthy in the first round, but overall, Daniels has been the most common projection. From speaking to multiple sources with the Commanders, it sounds like the consensus in the building leans toward Daniels but that things are clear not across the board. There have been some Washington evaluators with a preference for McCarthy and some with a preference for Maye.

 

Interestingly, new general manager Adam Peters has sought a wide range of opinions from within the franchise. There are general managers in the NFL who shut out scouts, but Peters has been interested in hearing the opinion throughout the front office, including from staff members who were there under former head coach Ron Rivera and former general manager Bruce Allen. Peters is the one who will make the final decision on which prospect to take at No. 2 overall, and he has been performing his due diligence by exploring the thoughts and perspectives from staff throughout his organization.

 

 

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Both of LSU’s star receivers, Brian Thomas Jr. and Malik Nabers, have issues with their left shoulders. The risk here is considered relatively minimal—in both cases, there’s a chance the player may have to have the shoulder surgically repaired after the 2024 season. Bryan Bresee, the Saints’ first-round pick last year, had a similar situation with his shoulder coming into the draft last year.

 

 

 

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Many weeks ago, I reported that the Washington Commanders had turned down trade offers at the 2024 NFL Scouting Combine for the No. 2-overall pick. The Commanders turned down those offers because they are targeting a new franchise quarterback. In following up with some team sources, they said the Patriots also turned down trade offers for the No. 3-overall pick of the 2024 NFL Draft. The Patriots have stated they are open for business, but they have turned down offers. That makes it sound like New England is waiting to see if it can get an absurd offer, but more likely, the team is sticking at with the third pick to select a quarterback.

 

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Among teams with top-10 picks, it is nearly a foregone conclusion that the Minnesota Vikings are likely to trade up. Team sources said the Vikings are not sitting at pick No. 11 and are trying hard to get to the fourth pick. Other teams believe that the parameters of a trade are in place between the Cardinals and Vikings. However, the only way they think Vikings may not trade into a top-five pick for a quarterback is if another team beats them to it.

 

Depending on how the quarterbacks come off the board in the top three, the Giants at No. 6 might jump to the fourth pick to get a quarterback they want if the right player slides there. For the Cardinals, that option is intriguing because they would probably get the Giants’ 2025 first-round pick and be in position to still come away with an elite receiver, like Marvin Harrison Jr. or Malik Nabers. The Broncos are another option of a team that could jump to the fourth pick of the 2024 NFL, because they are desperate for a young quarterback after cutting Russell Wilson.

 

Sources from teams picking in the top 10 said the Vikings trade with the Texans to land the 23rd pick of the draft was done to give the Vikings the draft capital to get in position for a trade upward. The Vikings will offer picks No. 11 and 23, as well as possibly their first-round pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, to get to the fourth pick this year. Sources at other teams think the Vikings are almost a certainty to move up and will not be waiting at No. 11 with hopes that a quarterback will fall to their pick. It will be fascinating to see which trade, or trades, become a reality on Thursday night.

 

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Three years ago, the 49ers traded into a top-three pick to be in position to draft Trey Lance, and they did that trade with Miami many weeks before the 2021 NFL Draft. There was some thought that Arizona could do its trade early as well to have more time to plan at the lower picks. Sources, however, said the Cardinals are waiting until they are on the clock because they think that will only help to drive the price up. Arizona general manager Monti Ossenfort thinks time pressure could prompt a team like the Vikings or Broncos to panic and help to max out the level of return that is coming to the Cardinals.

 

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The pre-draft interview process for LSU quarterback Jayden Daniels has been somewhat challenging. Daniels has handled himself well, but teams have questioned some of what is going on around him – specifically with family and how that will impact the locker room. Daniels’ mother was known to be especially close with former Arizona State and current Las Vegas Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce when Daniels was playing for Pierce with the Sun Devils. She also was said to be extremely close to former teammates Malik Nabers and Kayshon Boutte. Teams wondered if those kind of issues would be a problem and a distraction for Daniels in the NFL, but to his credit, he does not seem to care at all about that and has maintained his focus on football. Over the past three seasons, Daniels gave proof that coaches’ or teammates’ relationships with his mother would not impact his play or conduct in the locker room. Still, it was an odd situation that teams looked into during the draft process.

 

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UCLA edge rusher Laiatu Latu received some fantastic and potentially life changing news in that a lot of teams doctors medically cleared him. Latu had a neck injury at Washington that forced him to briefly retire before he came back with the Bruins and produced two outstanding seasons of rushing the quarterback in the Pac-12. Some NFL team sources were expecting their doctors to flunk Latu, but many passed Latu to keep him alive on draft boards. As a result, Latu has a shot at cracking the top 10.

 

“Latu is the most natural pass rusher in this draft,” said an AFC director of player personnel. “Our doctors passed him, but we can be strict with medical concerns, so I don’t know that we would take him, but someone else will.”

 

Latu has more size, speed and production than the other potential first-round edge rushers: Alabama’s Dallas Turner, Florida State’s Jared Verse and Penn State’s Chop Robinson. Because medical evaluations are different for each team, there is a wide range of where Latu could come off the board. However, his chances of going on Thursday night, and hopes of going high, have improved greatly over the past few weeks since teams received the positive medical evaluations from their doctors.

 

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The proximity of the Giants’ selection (sixth overall) to Arizona’s fourth pick has many giving New York the edge in completing that trade.

 

“They aren’t playing with Daniel Jones, I can tell you that much,” a second GM said of the Giants’ incumbent. “I hear it’s McCarthy or Maye” for New York.

 

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ESPN draft expert @Jordan_Reid thinks the Commanders will trade into the first round to draft an offensive tackle:

 

"I think this is the worst kept secret in the draft right now -- is the Commanders trading up from 36 or 40 to get an offensive tackle. It just makes so much sense for them to trade up and take advantage of this deep OL class. I just don't see Adam Peters having so many picks and just waiting to 36 or 40 for one of those guys to fall to him."

 

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In the month of April, there has been a lot of buzz about the Las Vegas Raiders targeting Washington quarterback Michael Penix Jr. in the 2024 NFL Draft. With new general manager Tom Telesco and head coach Antonio Pierce taking over, Las Vegas could start its re-build with a new franchise quarterback after a disastrous run by former head coach Josh McDaniels. Multiple team sources told WalterFootball.com that Penix is definitely in the running to be taken by the Raiders early in the 2024 NFL Draft.

 

Sources said Penix could be in play for Las Vegas with its first-round pick, No. 13 overall. However, the Raiders could also take a non-quarterback in the first round and look to move up from their second-round pick for Penix. Las Vegas has needs at cornerback and offensive tackle, so the franchise could look to select a player at one of those positions and then move back up for Penix. The Raiders like a lot of the offensive linemen who could be available at No. 13. That group includes Alabama right tackle J.C. Latham, Penn State offensive tackle Olu Fashanu, Oregon State right tackle Taliese Fuaga and Washington offensive tackle Troy Fautanu. Las Vegas also really likes Toledo cornerback Quinyon Mitchell. Right now, it sounds as if the more likely plan is to acquire Penix rather than taking Mitchell or one of those tackles at with the 13th choice of the 2024 NFL Draft.

 

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The Chicago Bears are locked in on USC quarterback Caleb Williams with the No. 1-overall pick. After them, there has been some mystery on which quarterbacks are the preferred players for the Washington Commanders at No. 2 and the New England Patriots at No. 3. Some in the media have said the Commanders are high on either Michigan quarterback J.J. McCarthy or North Carolina quarterback Drake Maye. Some sources believe Washington is more inclined to take LSU quarterback Jayden Daniels. In speaking to sources with the Patriots, Daniels is the quarterback their organization wants the most.

 

While New England wants Daniels the most, the team is high on both McCarthy and Maye. The Patriots feel both are legit “top of the first round”-caliber prospects, but Daniels’ playmaking ability has a big appeal to the Patriots, so he is the one they covet the most. If Washington takes Daniels, it sounds like Maye could be the slight leader over McCarthy, but it’s very close. During the course of the meetings with the coaches over these final weeks leading up to the 2024 NFL Draft, it’s very possible McCarthy overtakes Maye, but New England might stick with Maye over McCarthy through the time of making the pick. Sources said Maye did very well on his top-30 visit to New England last week, and McCarthy has interviewed well throughout the process also.

 

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Sources with the New York Jets told WalterFootball.com that the franchise’s inclination is to take a playmaker with the 10th-overall pick of the 2024 NFL Draft, either in the form of Georgia tight end Brock Bowers or in Washington wide receiver Rome Odunze.

 

There was a lot of debate about whether the Jets would take an offensive linemen to protect Aaron Rodgers or get him a receiving talent. After adding veteran tackles Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses in free agency, the Jets are more inclined to select a receiver with the 10th pick rather than take a player who would be a backup offensive tackle.

 

While the Jets signed veteran wide receiver Mike Williams after he was released by the Chargers, Williams is not fully healthy coming off an ACL injury. They could still use more playmakers for Rodgers to go with Williams and Garrett Wilson. Both Bowers and Odunze are viewed as having the potential to contribute immediately. The Jets love Bowers’ mismatch ability, and they feel Odunze is a safe player with very good character to mesh with their veterans. The Jets have LSU’s Malik Nabers and Ohio State’s Marvin Harrison Jr. rated ahead of Odunze, but they like Odunze a lot as well. Right now, it sounds like Bowers and Odunze are the top-two favorites for the team’s first pick of the 2024 NFL Draft.

 

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A couple of weeks ago at the 2024 NFL Scouting Combine, a survey of team sources had UCLA’s Laiatu Latu as the consensus second-rated pass rusher for the 2024 NFL Draft, behind only Alabama’s Dallas Turner. Most teams said based on the film and skill set, they had rated Latu ahead of Florida State’s Jared Verse and thought Latu was worthy of going as a top-20 pick based on the film. However, they all noted there were medical concerns around Latu that could cause him to slide lower and see Verse selected before him. In following up with some team sources, they said the medical concerns are an issue that has left Latu’s draft range very fluid. Multiple team sources said they think it’s possible that Latu will slip to Round 2 of the 2024 NFL Draft because of the medical concerns.

 

With the Washington Huskies, a neck injury that cost Latu the 2020 and 2021 seasons was enough that the program encouraged him to retire. Latu entered the transfer portal instead, and ended up landing at UCLA, where he received medical clearance. He went on to have two excellent seasons with the Bruins, recording 10.5 sacks in 2022 and 13 sacks in 2023. Latu also recorded 49 tackles, two interceptions, two passes batted and two forced fumbles in 2023. He went on to have excellent performances at the Senior Bowl and at the 2024 NFL Scouting Combine.

 

Team sources noted that on tape Latu did a nice job of compensating to use his shoulder and chest while tackling to help protect his neck and head. However, doctors can kill a player’s draft status with teams and get them removed from draft boards. Sources said that if Latu starts sliding, it could cause other teams that did not rule him out medically to be concerned that other teams did do that. Those sources shared they think that Latu has the potential of sliding to the second round, just like other recent draft prospects with medical concerns such as Myles Jack, Jawann Taylor, Jaylon Smith and Da’Quan Bowers.

 

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Over the last handful of years, the Buffalo Bills had one of the better safety tandems in the NFL with veterans Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde. They were very reliable and steady veterans who anchored the back end of the secondary. However, things could be changing with Hyde hitting free agency and Poyer being a potential cap casualty. With those veterans potentially being done in Buffalo, sources with the team said safety is on the organization’s radar for the 2024 NFL Draft.

 

The 2024 NFL Draft is not strong at the safety position, but the Bills could land some intriguing talents on the second team. The Bills are high on Miami safety Kamren Kinchens. Kinchens needs to run fast and do well in the field drills in order to have a shot at being a second-round pick, but Buffalo really likes Kinchens. Kinchens generated tremendous ball production with 12 interceptions over the past two seasons. The Bills also are looking hard at Minnesota’s Tyler Nubin and Georgia’s Javon Bullard. Nubin is a big strong safety type, but he had some problems with missed tackles last season. Bullard is a hybrid safety/nickel corner similar to Detroit’s Brian Branch.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 10:21 PM by HappyDays

[H2o]

Please, dear Lord, DO NOT let the Bills draft Keon Coleman. PLEASE.

[boyst]

No one knows anything about the WRs. Stay at 28. Or get MHJ by moving up. 

[Lost]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

Please, dear Lord, DO NOT let the Bills draft Keon Coleman. PLEASE.

 

Didn't u read?  They're drafting a Safety 🤣 

 

 

[MikePJ76]

I love the idea of staying put or moving back a little and grabbing a third or early 4.

 

I think it would be awesome if they stayed put and had some good luck like Jared Verse falling into their lap.

[KDIGGZ]

4 minutes ago, H2o said:

Please, dear Lord, DO NOT let the Bills draft Keon Coleman. PLEASE.

Keon Coleman is hot garbage. Super slow, can't release. Maybe as a 3rd or 4th rounder you get him to be an end zone threat type of guy.

[OldTimer1960]

9 minutes ago, H2o said:

Please, dear Lord, DO NOT let the Bills draft Keon Coleman. PLEASE.

Or Kamron Kinchens before round 3 (and they don’t currently have a pick there)

[vtnatefootball11]

4 minutes ago, H2o said:

Please, dear Lord, DO NOT let the Bills draft Keon Coleman. PLEASE.

 

I watched a lot of Coleman this past year (I'm a Clemson alumni but watch a lot of ACC/college games in general), and I know he isn't popular on this board, but I have to say, this is guy that plays faster that he ran in the 40.  He's an excellent, NFL ready receiver. He tore Clemson up and Clemson has some legit, NFL corners. He could come in right away and be our starting #2WR and be an upgrade over Gabe Davis day 1. He does not have breakaway speed or burst, but he has football speed and elite route running/body control, and is sure handed. Don't get my wrong, I covet an electric receiver for the Bills prob more than most (I've been screaming for it for the last 2 years, even with Diggs), and still think we need a true #1 with elite athleticism/upside type, but wouldn't be upset if the Bills got Coleman, and you shouldn't be either. He going to be a good NFL receiver.  My ideal scenario is that they grab one of Thomas Jr/Worthy/Legette/Franklin/McConkey in round 1, and are able to grab Coleman in round 2. 

[Process]

I doubt Latu falling to the second round is actually realistic but if he does Bills should make a move up to take him. We need a starting DE and he'd be our best shot to get one past round 1. Worth the risk. 

[NY Nole]

13 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Keon Coleman is hot garbage. Super slow, can't release. Maybe as a 3rd or 4th rounder you get him to be an end zone threat type of guy.

This is simply not true. Go back and watch the FSU v LSU game last year. Coleman was the best receiver on the field (including Nabers). I was at the game and he was un-guardable. He also torched several other top DB's. While I think Harrison, Nabers and Odunze offer more "explosiveness" - Coleman is a very talented WR. He was injured the second half of the season and still produced. I would be very happy to have in in Buffalo.   

[msw2112]

40 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Didn't u read?  They're drafting a Safety 🤣 

 

 

 

What a shocker.  They release their two veteran former all-pro caliber starting safeties, replacing them with only 2 mid-tier veterans without a ton of starting experience (one of whom was already on the roster), and have 11 draft picks, and they're "considering" safety help in the draft.  Stop the presses.

Edited April 11 by msw2112

[SCBills]

I have to back up what is said about Coleman. 

 

I know his testing has him down in the eyes of many, and I'm not sure I love the idea of taking him in RD1, but it's hard to square his testing numbers with how he looked on the field.  They don't match up.  

[OldTimer1960]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I have to back up what is said about Coleman. 

 

I know his testing has him down in the eyes of many, and I'm not sure I love the idea of taking him in RD1, but it's hard to square his testing numbers with how he looked on the field.  They don't match up.  

I think they do matchup pretty well.  He is rarely open vs man and that fits with his testing numbers.  Now, can he overcome that with physicality in the league?  Maybe, but I don’t want to bet on that early in the draft.  

[KDIGGZ]

8 minutes ago, NY Nole said:

This is simply not true. Go back and watch the FSU v LSU game last year. Coleman was the best receiver on the field (including Nabers). I was at the game and he was un-guardable. He also torched several other top DB's. While I think Harrison, Nabers and Odunze offer more "explosiveness" - Coleman is a very talented WR. He was injured the second half of the season and still produced. I would be very happy to have in in Buffalo.   

where does he separate? He has guys hanging on him every play. He has to make highlight reel catches because the corner is with him step for step. He won't win as many of those in the NFL. You have to actually be able to get open

 

[Roundybout]

38 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Keon Coleman is hot garbage. Super slow, can't release. Maybe as a 3rd or 4th rounder you get him to be an end zone threat type of guy.

Thank you. I saw some hype around him the other day and I hope to God it’s a smokescreen. He is allergic to going over the middle and his other routes dont really impress me. 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

Getting separation is the most important component of playing wide receiver. It's difficult to tell whether Keon Coleman will be N'Keal Harry or Drake London at the next level.

 

Josh doesn't tend to throw a lot of 50-50 balls or fades, and only throws to a guy when they're in the open.

 

A receiver like Troy Franklin at #28 or trading up for Brian Thomas could be electric with Josh throwing them the ball.

[HappyDays]

39 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Or Kamron Kinchens before round 3 (and they don’t currently have a pick there)

 

That rumor about Kinchens was posted before the combine. I'm hopeful the Bills aren't stupid enough to draft someone with his athletic profile at a non-premium position in the 2nd round... If he there's for us in the 4th, sure go for it I guess.

 

Edited April 11 by HappyDays

[SoonerBillsFan]

I love when this thread comes out.  I don't like the Jest possible picks, but there isn't anything we can do about that.

 

Latu is concerning with his neck issue.  Safety?  I pray they don't take one with their 1st pick.

[HappyDays]

37 minutes ago, Process said:

I doubt Latu falling to the second round is actually realistic but if he does Bills should make a move up to take him. We need a starting DE and he'd be our best shot to get one past round 1. Worth the risk. 

 

Neck injuries are scary though, especially if it's true that you can see him already compensating for it on film. I've seen people compare him to Jaelan Phillips but it is more comparable to Myles Jack who became washed up very quickly. If he slides all the way to #60 I would be good with that.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Why would a team ever tell anyone what they want to do?

[Mat68]

40 minutes ago, Process said:

I doubt Latu falling to the second round is actually realistic but if he does Bills should make a move up to take him. We need a starting DE and he'd be our best shot to get one past round 1. Worth the risk. 

Depends what team Dr say.  Its not a matter of grade but is he being taken off their boards completely for medical concerns.  Some risk adverse teams will take him off.  Some will not.  They said the same thing about Jalen Phillips but he was drafted high but often injured.  

[Mat68]

23 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

where does he separate? He has guys hanging on him every play. He has to make highlight reel catches because the corner is with him step for step. He won't win as many of those in the NFL. You have to actually be able to get open

 

If they trade down and pick up an extra day 2 pick I think he could be part of a double dip.  Coleman paired with Worthy, Franklin or Wilson is more palpable imo.  Coleman could be a fine wr but need to know what he is and is not.  Power slot with some jump ball ability in the redzone.  A traditional X I'm not convinced he is.  

[HappyDays]

27 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

where does he separate? He has guys hanging on him every play. He has to make highlight reel catches because the corner is with him step for step. He won't win as many of those in the NFL. You have to actually be able to get open

 

 

We've lost the plot here. Big WRs don't create yards of separation in the NFL. His two contested catches in that video were him getting schemed 1v1 against a safety who he dominated, and an endzone fade.

[billieve420]

I am leaning more and more that the Bills should try to trade back into the early 2nd and get back a 3rd rounder. Draft a boundary guy like Legette or roll the dice on a guy like Worthy and grab Tez Walker later.

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Why would a team ever tell anyone what they want to do?

Because lots of people working in scouting departments and it is an incestuous business. And teams also play the smokescreen bluff and double bluff game with the media.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

15 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Safety?  I pray they don't take one with their 1st pick.

I think the only safety with a 1st round grade is Tyler Nubin, but I'm confident we'll address wide receiver before safety.  Kamren Kinchens had a bad combine that will probably drop him to the 3rd. I would be happy with Javon Bullard in the 2nd, but I could see Beane taking a couple safety prospects later in the draft.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

 

I watched a lot of Coleman this past year (I'm a Clemson alumni but watch a lot of ACC/college games in general), and I know he isn't popular on this board, but I have to say, this is guy that plays faster that he ran in the 40.  He's an excellent, NFL ready receiver. He tore Clemson up and Clemson has some legit, NFL corners. He could come in right away and be our starting #2WR and be an upgrade over Gabe Davis day 1. He does not have breakaway speed or burst, but he has football speed and elite route running/body control, and is sure handed. Don't get my wrong, I covet an electric receiver for the Bills prob more than most (I've been screaming for it for the last 2 years, even with Diggs), and still think we need a true #1 with elite athleticism/upside type, but wouldn't be upset if the Bills got Coleman, and you shouldn't be either. He going to be a good NFL receiver.  My ideal scenario is that they grab one of Thomas Jr/Worthy/Legette/Franklin/McConkey in round 1, and are able to grab Coleman in round 2. 

Coleman is a phenomenal athlete who will have a long career in the NFL...people who don't like him seem to be obsessed with his 40 time, which has been shown to have little correlation with NFL success...He's not my favorite WR prospect, but I would not mourn if the Bills were to take him in round 1 or 2.   

[947]

We'll draft 2 safeties in rounds 4-7. Most of us will say "who?" when the picks are announced. They'll be scheme fits that McBeane identified from non Power-5 conferences- in the mold of the Benford pick. One of the new Safeties will really shine in camp, we'll all be pleasantly surprised & praise their ability to evaluate DBs.

[mannc]

22 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Depends what team Dr say.  Its not a matter of grade but is he being taken off their boards completely for medical concerns.  Some risk adverse teams will take him off.  Some will not.  They said the same thing about Jalen Phillips but he was drafted high but often injured.  

The Bills have not shown an inclination to take a chance on guys with significant injury histories...

[whorlnut]

Marino posting (cherry picking) an article saying we are more likely to stay put or trade down doesn’t do much for me. I like the guy and listen to him all the time, but of course he is going to post and article that has someone saying what he prefers to happen. Hes totally against trading up. 

[GunnerBill]

Interesting. I have heard New England really likes JJ and that he very well could be the guy at #3.

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Interesting. I have heard New England really likes JJ and that he very well could be the guy at #3.

We can only hope... 

[H2o]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

Coleman is a phenomenal athlete who will have a long career in the NFL...people who don't like him seem to be obsessed with his 40 time, which has been shown to have little correlation with NFL success...He's not my favorite WR prospect, but I would not mourn if the Bills were to take him in round 1 or 2.   

I, personally, don't like him because of the same things KDIGGZ was talking about. He doesn't really separate. He's not really going to give you anything after the catch. He basically uses his body to box out smaller DB's. It worked in college to a certain extent, and it's not bad to have in the Red Zone, but it's not 1st Round, #28 worthy in hopes that he is going to become a legit boundary threat in the NFL. He'll be average at best. A 3rd or 4th WR. More than 1/3 of his season yardage totals and TD's came in 2 games, LSU and against Syracuse. He played in 10 others to the tune of 396 yards and 7 TD's. He's the college version of what Gabe Davis was for us in the NFL. I'd be extremely disappointed if Beane turned in that card. 

[Solomon Grundy]

56 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

where does he separate? He has guys hanging on him every play. He has to make highlight reel catches because the corner is with him step for step. He won't win as many of those in the NFL. You have to actually be able to get open

 

"HANGING" is the proper word to describe how DBs defend him. You can also use the words grabbing and clutching. He WAS the best player on the field that game and that includes Nabers, Thomas and Daniels

[mannc]

Just now, H2o said:

I, personally, don't like him because of the same things KDIGGZ was talking about. He doesn't really separate. He's not really going to give you anything after the catch. He basically uses his body to box out smaller DB's. It worked in college to a certain extent, and it's not bad to have in the Red Zone, but it's not 1st Round, #28 worthy in hopes that he is going to become a legit boundary threat in the NFL. He'll be average at best. A 3rd or 4th WR. More than 1/3 of his season yardage totals and TD's came in 2 games, LSU and against Syracuse. He played in 10 others to the tune of 396 yards and 7 TD's. He's the college version of what Gabe Davis was for us in the NFL. I'd be extremely disappointed if Beane turned in that card. 

He's actually really good after the catch...he returned punts, not a job typically given to players who lack the ability to run with the football...as to Coleman's lesser production in some games, you could say the same thing about every receiver in the draft, and I'm sure the fact that his QB got hurt had a lot to do with it.

[H2o]

Just now, mannc said:

He's actually really good after the catch...he returned punts, not a job typically given to players who lack the ability to run with the football...as to Coleman's lesser production in some games, you could say the same thing about every receiver in the draft, and I'm sure the fact that his QB got hurt had a lot to do with it.

Travis broke his leg on November 18, 2023. There were two games after that. He averaged 12 yards per return on punts, and that's with having one of 72 yards. Without the one he averaged 9.5 yards per return. Wow. 

 

I'm not buying what you're selling on Coleman.

[mannc]

5 minutes ago, H2o said:

 

 

I'm not buying what you're selling on Coleman.

I’m not selling anything…

[turbo044]

38 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

I am leaning more and more that the Bills should try to trade back into the early 2nd and get back a 3rd rounder. Draft a boundary guy like Legette or roll the dice on a guy like Worthy and grab Tez Walker later.

Yeah I like your idea - these mock draft simulators probably don't hold too true, but they seem to have Thomas II going too high in the 1st and often have Mitchell going before our 28.  My favorite ideas are:

1. Ladd McConkey and trade #60 and our 2nd round pick next year for #40 and grab Legette.  Would love adding Ladd and Legette and the draft is so deep at DLine that we can get good ones in Rds 4 and 5. Remember, we'd still have the 32 pick of Minnesota next year, or

2. Ladd at #28 and see who last to 60s.  Legette and Franklin will probably be gone, but could get Walker, Baker, maybe even Polk.  Ladd and Walker would be nice

[Big Turk]

57 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Neck injuries are scary though, especially if it's true that you can see him already compensating for it on film. I've seen people compare him to Jaelan Phillips but it is more comparable to Myles Jack who became washed up very quickly. If he slides all the way to #60 I would be good with that.

 

Ask Vander Esch from the Cowboys who just retired after injured much of his time in the NFL about neck injuries and how they can derail your career...

Edited April 11 by Big Turk

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