McDermott is feeling the pressure

[GoBills808]

48 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It worked.

Sir Sean McDermott Fleming

[Matt_In_NH]

Andy Reid says it’s really hard to win in this league just yesterday.  It’s true and generally shows respect for all the others that put so much work and money into trying to win.   

[3rdand12]

28 minutes ago, julian said:

Fair enough, but we have a 1st ballot HOF QB in his prime, McDermott has been with Allen for six seasons, I’ll even say to be fair, 4 season since Allen broke out in 2020, let’s assume 10 more seasons with Allen, do we just sit back and watch the same results over and over until 17 retires ? Or do we do everything we can to try and win a title, which may include rolling the dice on a lesser known coaching candidate or hiring a proven SB winning HC.

 

 At some point you just have to try something different even though there’s never any guarantees IMO.

He fired Frazier and Dorsey

 Thats a fairly sincere point to make about changing what doesnt work

 

[juno999]

I think McD is a pretty good coach.  Has he made mistakes? Yes.  The Bills have had some injuries the last 2 seasons which have not helped.  Teams that win the SB usually have some luck regarding injuries.  I don't think the Bills roster has been as good as needed.  Not enough high draft picks on offense.  Too many high picks on defense.  Too much FA money on defense.  Not enough FA money on offense.  I think the team's roster philosophy is flawed.  You have Allen and Diggs on offense and now 1 season with Kincaid.  Get more wideouts for Allen who can get open and catch the F'n ball.  Why is this so hard?

Edited March 26 by juno999

[julian]

5 minutes ago, section122 said:

Of those 4 seasons mcvay and reid are the only hcs to win.  So everyone should be fired?

 

I just came across a crazy stat.  Over the last 10 years there are only 3 hcs still coaching in the nfl that have won a sb.  Pederson, McVay, and Reid.

 

Past those 10 years you can add Harbaugh, Peyton, Tomlin, and McCarthy.

 

I wont argue against mcvay or reid they are excellent hcs however the rest of the guys haven't had the success the Bills have since McD took over.

 

 

Ok so you’re in the camp of riding it out with McDermott, that’s fine and I hope he can get it done. I’m just in a different camp. Of those other 30 HCs who haven’t won a SB the last 4 years.. how many had a QB with 4 straight 40+ TD seasons, none because in the history of the NFL only Allen has ever done it… that’s why McDermott isn’t in the same boat as all the others.

 

 A player of Allen’s brilliance is a blessing and a curse for a HC, they make it much easier to win a title, but you damn well better win a title.

[GoBills808]

44 minutes ago, NewEra said:

This is a poor take imo.  
 

His plan worked out great.  There is no doubt 

 

 

We have to be able to separate the results from the decision

 

Put it this way- if Allen had flamed out would you still be saying it was a well executed plan for bringing along a rookie QB?

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, julian said:

Ok so you’re in the camp of riding it out with McDermott, that’s fine and I hope he can get it done. I’m just in a different camp. Of those other 30 HCs who haven’t won a SB the last 4 years.. how many had a QB with 4 straight 40+ TD seasons, none because in the history of the NFL only Allen has ever done it… that’s why McDermott isn’t in the same boat as all the others.

 

 A player of Allen’s brilliance is a blessing and a curse for a HC, they make it much easier to win a title, but you damn well better win a title.

Dorsey! 

was a mistake and a setback.

Cheering for Brady and the Laundry again this season !

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Sir Sean McDermott Fleming

[julian]

5 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

He fired Frazier and Dorsey

 Thats a fairly sincere point to make about changing what doesnt work

 

It’s his defense, always has been, I think he’s an excellent HC, my only argument is at some point you need to make a change

[97bills]

To be honest I don’t care how , or with who buffalo wins a Super Bowl.. my biggest fear is we’re having this conversation ten years from now, especially having Allen as our QB , 

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

We have to be able to separate the results from the decision

 

Put it this way- if Allen had flamed out would you still be saying it was a well executed plan for bringing along a rookie QB?

Yes. 
 

I have long argued AGAINST hiding rookie QB’s at all cost in the offense. I think it hinders development and props up young QB’s who suck and you just don’t know it yet.

 

If Mac Jones was dropped into the 2018 Bills, we would’ve all known he was complete garbage after his rookie season. Instead, he got hidden on that ball control Pats team, won 10 games barely playing the position and they wasted 2 more years trying to recapture that magic before deciding that yeah, he sucks. 

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yes. 
 

I have long argued AGAINST hiding rookie QB’s at all cost in the offense. I think it hinders development and props up young QB’s who suck and you just don’t know it yet.

 

If Mac Jones was dropped into the 2018 Bills, we would’ve all known he was complete garbage after his rookie season. Instead, he got hidden on that ball control Pats team, won 10 games barely playing the position and they wasted 2 more years trying to recapture that magic before deciding that yeah, he sucks. 

The plan was starting Peterman.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

There is meaningful comparison. Due to Allen the bar of expectations for McDermott is higher.  McDermott is unreasonably calling people narrow minded who want a higher bar than he wants. Maybe his lower bar is narrow minded.  

 

I think the context in which that was said might be relevant to whether or not it's unreasonable

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Fair points. All.

What is your breaking point? Philadelphia had theirs with Reid. Tampa did with Dungy. Do you ever give up on him and go with someone else? 

Shanahan is closer to Levy with two SuperBowl appearances.  McDermott should be so lucky to be in the same sentence as Shanahan at this point. 

There is no "breaking point."  Such things can't be predefined.   

 

If I'm the owner, I have to make a change if he loses the team, that's for sure.  But each year I evaluate his performance, the team's performance.   The question never is how many times he's failed to win the Super Bowl.  The question always is whether I think he can win the Super Bowl.  

 

Lately, every team has failed unless the QB's name is Mahomes or Brady.   The Rams broke through for a year; does that make McVay great?   No, it means everything fell right for one year and he won.  I'm not firing Shanahan because he didn't beat Mahomes and Reid, and I'm not firing McDermott, either. 

 

I never thought Dungy was a very good coach.   The Colts stayed with him longer that I would have.   I don't have the same feeling about McDermott.   The team is very good, the players love him, and he's young.   Coaches get better with experience, just like players do.  The difference is that with players, more experience means your body is getting older and failing.  Coaches don't have to worry about their bodies failing.  McDermott will be a better coach at 60 than his is at 50, and he's better at 50 than he was at 45.  

 

Until he gives me reason to go another direction (and as I said, not winning it all yet is not a reason), I'm happy to watch him get better.  

 

 

 

 

[Beck Water]

34 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

We have to be able to separate the results from the decision

 

Put it this way- if Allen had flamed out would you still be saying it was a well executed plan for bringing along a rookie QB?

 

If we're talking about the plan to go into the season with Peterman and Allen as the QB....that was a horrible, horrible plan.

[NewEra]

28 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

We have to be able to separate the results from the decision

 

Put it this way- if Allen had flamed out would you still be saying it was a well executed plan for bringing along a rookie QB?

put it this way, allen didn’t flame out.

 

our supporting cast that season was awful.  Any plan had little chance of success for the 2018 season.   The only thing you can go on is what actually DID happen with regards to his development. 2018 wasn’t the only season in which they had a plan for him.  As a hole, they plan has worked.  Acting as if his  decision on who to start during Allens rookie year is the say all end all doesn’t jive with reality

 

[uticaclub]

4 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I think you're wrong.  

 

Your evidence that he's feeling the pressure is based on you evaluation of his performance in a press conference.  He's ALWAYS been bad in press conferences.  He's uncomfortable, he doesn't like it, and he isn't good at figuring out how to give useful answers to questions without saying too much.  

 

It's ridiculous, meaning it's fair to subject you to ridicule, for you to compare McDermott to Dick Jauron.  McDermott has built a perennial top-five favorite to win the Super Bowl, and Jauron went 7-9 three years in a row before the team fell apart.  There is NO meaningful comparison.  

 

You're free to not like McDermott, but you're not going to convince anyone who knows football.  The 49ers aren't firing Shanahan and the Bills aren't replacing McDermott.  

Give Jauron, Josh Allen instead of JP Losman, without Tom Brady in the division and lets see how many Division titles Dicky J wins. We’ll never know. McDermott is who he is, the players and anyone who knows him loves the guy. I'm excited to see him rebuild the secondary, so there's that.

[Buffalo Boy]

5 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

My bias against McDermott is well documented. 

Wondering how others view his post-season PC and recent interview calling critics narrow minded. He also stated its hard to win in the NFL. I recall a prior HC pilloried on this site for saying the exact same words. 

My take on the PC was that he was very defensive. Without even being asked. He launched into a defense of his tenure as coach even dating back to prior seasons. 

And now he calls critics narrow minded for wondering if the Bills will win a SB with him as HC. You have to belive at this point the thought has crossed Beane and Pegula's mind. He's trying to defend at best status quo to perhaps taking a step or two back from 13 seconds. 

Then the most ridiculous statement of all. 

"We're looking for Josh to really be that face of the franchise, like he's been, and continue to evolve." 

I mean WTF. What team has he been coaching? Does he think Hyde and Poyer were the face of the franchise?? Is he trying to lay blame on Allen? Without Allen McDermott might be coaching DBs in Kansas City.  Was Allen on the field when the defense crumbled multiple times against Denver,Philadelphia, and others. KC only stopped themselves in the playoff game. If not for a goal line fumble the Bills are not even close in that game. 

 

It may not seem that I'm open minded but I really try. I've gave McDermott praise many times last year.

 

So what does the board think? 

For those that crucified Jauron how do you take the It’s hard to win in the NFL line?

For those that defend McDermott, what do you all think?

Schottenheimer 2.0

He won’t win us a Superbowl. 
He has blown his best chances !

[Shaw66]

Just now, uticaclub said:

Give Jauron, Josh Allen instead of JP Losman, without Tom Brady in the division and lets see how many Division titles Dicky J wins. We’ll never know. McDermott is who he is, the players and anyone who knows him loves the guy. I'm excited to see him rebuild the secondary, so there's that.

Jauron wasn't a risk taker.   McDermott is, at least in some ways.   Jauron wasn't ever going to win, even with Allen.  Unless he changed his stripes.  

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I don't think that he has to worry about Beane. McDermott brought him in and imo he can fire Beane at will. McDermott runs the ship and was in chaarge before Beane got to town. 

 

I'm surprised to see the heartfelt support that McDermott is getting in this thread. Yes, his record is good but his quarterback is Great! I don't know, do folks think that McDermott was the only coach who could have achieved this record with Josh Allen at QB? Could no other coach have done a better job in the playoffs, or provided Josh with better tools?

 

Yeah, it's hard for me to grasp the blind loyaly but as always, jmo. 

 

With respect, I'm not sure the message is so much "heartfelt support" for McD, as 

1) impatience with the OP for his campaign

2) finding the McDermott/Jauron comparison inapt

 

 

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, juno999 said:

I think McD is a pretty good coach.  Has he made mistakes? Yes.  The Bills have had some injuries the last 2 seasons which have not helped.  Teams that win the SB usually have some luck regarding injuries.  I don't think the Bills roster has been as good as needed.  Not enough high draft picks on offense.  Too many high picks on defense.  Too much FA money on defense.  Not enough FA money on offense.  I think the team's roster philosophy is flawed.  You have Allen and Diggs on offense and now 1 season with Kincaid.  Get more wideouts for Allen who can get open and catch the F'n ball.  Why is this so hard?

Coach should get some credit for snatching the AFCE from the Fins with the wins down the stretch.

[stuvian]

McDermott won me over going from 6-6 to 11-6 in a year when he fired his OC. Something clicked after that. I think we are a more streamlined, integrated organization now. I'm relieved we didn't dismantle the team but instead got younger where we were getting old.

 

I respect Reid and KC more than I should a conference rival but the threepeat has never been done in a 14 or 16 game season so why would it be done in a 17 game season?

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

The plan was starting Peterman.

The whole year? I don’t buy it.

[freddyjj]

3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Have you left WNY? 

Under duress 

[90sBills]

3 hours ago, vincec said:

Unless Allen starts to play on defense too, I don’t think he can do much more. Allen has been good enough to win a Super Bowl for a few years now. The problem is on the other side of the ball.

I get that the defense hasn’t exactly been stellar in the brightest moments. It could be that facing guys like Mahomes and Burrow defenses aren’t going to hold up. Those guys will find a way to score if you give them the ball last. 
 

So when you get the ball back with a drive to win against Mahomes in the playoffs you gotta deliver if you’re that guy (and he is). You can’t fumble trying to fight for meaningless extra yards. You’d have to manage the clock and try to score last at the same time. It isn’t easy to do but that’s why there are elite QBs. It’s not just arm talent. Most of the time it’s the mental aspect of the game that separates winners and losers for the top of the top QBs.

 

Hopefully this last playoffs failure could provide Allen with another learning opportunity and building block for the future. Next time he’s in that situation it might be a different outcome.

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

My bias against McDermott is well documented. 

Wondering how others view his post-season PC and recent interview calling critics narrow minded. He also stated its hard to win in the NFL. I recall a prior HC pilloried on this site for saying the exact same words. 

My take on the PC was that he was very defensive. Without even being asked. He launched into a defense of his tenure as coach even dating back to prior seasons. 

And now he calls critics narrow minded for wondering if the Bills will win a SB with him as HC. You have to belive at this point the thought has crossed Beane and Pegula's mind. He's trying to defend at best status quo to perhaps taking a step or two back from 13 seconds. 

Then the most ridiculous statement of all. 

"We're looking for Josh to really be that face of the franchise, like he's been, and continue to evolve." 

I mean WTF. What team has he been coaching? Does he think Hyde and Poyer were the face of the franchise?? Is he trying to lay blame on Allen? Without Allen McDermott might be coaching DBs in Kansas City.  Was Allen on the field when the defense crumbled multiple times against Denver,Philadelphia, and others. KC only stopped themselves in the playoff game. If not for a goal line fumble the Bills are not even close in that game. 

 

It may not seem that I'm open minded but I really try. I've gave McDermott praise many times last year.

 

So what does the board think? 

For those that crucified Jauron how do you take the It’s hard to win in the NFL line?

For those that defend McDermott, what do you all think?

 

You know how people sometimes see what they want to see?

[stuvian]

Why is McDermott under pressure when it is Beane who broke the bank for Miller and Floyd who have failed to deliver the promised sacks?

[FireChans]

McD probably really regrets trading the best QB in football to a conference rival and one of the greatest coaches in the NFL, moreso now that none of the yields of that trade are even on the roster.

 

I would feel bad too.

[HappyDays]

I was one that wanted McDermott gone this offseason but it's time to move on. He's our coach this year love it or hate it. I'll criticize him plenty in September and beyond, I just don't have it in me to care what he says in response to vapid questions at press conferences in March.

[90sBills]

24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

McD probably really regrets trading the best QB in football to a conference rival and one of the greatest coaches in the NFL, moreso now that none of the yields of that trade are even on the roster.

 

I would feel bad too.

Can we get past this? How could he have known who KC was picking ? It’s not like he’d draft Mahomes if they had kept the pick. He would’ve taken a defensive player at 10 as well. So he did the right thing by trading down for more picks. They landed on Allen the next year so all that is moot. KC has got their franchise guy. Bills got theirs. Everyone is happy. There are plenty of things to bash McD about without ever bringing this up again. lol 

[FireChans]

32 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Can we get past this? How could he have known who KC was picking ? It’s not like he’d draft Mahomes if they had kept the pick. He would’ve taken a defensive player at 10 as well. So he did the right thing by trading down for more picks. They landed on Allen the next year so all that is moot. KC has got their franchise guy. Bills got theirs. Everyone is happy. There are plenty of things to bash McD about without ever bringing this up again. lol 

I'm not bashing him. I don't think he made a crazy, ridiculous decision.

 

It was just the trade that enabled KC to become a new dynasty that sends us home every year in the playoffs. I would still feel bad about it.  Being the architect of your own destruction and all.

[Lfod]

Ill care more about how people feel about our HC when we dont make the playoffs every year.

 

Edited March 26 by Lfod

[90sBills]

18 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I'm not bashing him. I don't think he made a crazy, ridiculous decision.

 

It was just the trade that enabled KC to become a new dynasty that sends us home every year in the playoffs. I would still feel bad about it.  Being the architect of your own destruction and all.

I know what you mean. Just gotta find a way. 

[eball]

I believe that every man who has ever coached in the NFL has at one time or another said “it’s hard to win in the NFL.”

 

There are well over 20 NFL clubs right now who would kill to have McD as their head coach.

 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, eball said:

I believe that every man who has ever coached in the NFL has at one time or another said “it’s hard to win in the NFL.”

 

There are well over 20 NFL clubs right now who would kill to have McD as their head coach.

 

 

Yep. It is absolutely stock NFL coach speak 101. Belichick used to say it all the time. 

 

The joke with Jauron was it was particularly hard for him to win in the NFL. 

9 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

 

To put it another way, any of those 31 other coaches wins 9 games with Allen at QB. Many of them win the division.  Some make the SuperBowl. But our HC can't beat KC at home. 

 

How many of them beat Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs? Because that is the question. 

[machine gun kelly]

13 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I think you're wrong.  

 

Your evidence that he's feeling the pressure is based on you evaluation of his performance in a press conference.  He's ALWAYS been bad in press conferences.  He's uncomfortable, he doesn't like it, and he isn't good at figuring out how to give useful answers to questions without saying too much.  

 

It's ridiculous, meaning it's fair to subject you to ridicule, for you to compare McDermott to Dick Jauron.  McDermott has built a perennial top-five favorite to win the Super Bowl, and Jauron went 7-9 three years in a row before the team fell apart.  There is NO meaningful comparison.  

 

You're free to not like McDermott, but you're not going to convince anyone who knows football.  The 49ers aren't firing Shanahan and the Bills aren't replacing McDermott.  

As always Shaw, well written.  I like Ethan, but his bias gets in his way.  He has a right to his opinions, I just disagree as is my right.  I think McD is a good coach but like 31 others has flaws.  There is no perfect coach.

[Sweats]

All i know is that the NFL Network has been running continuous "classic" games lately and unfortunately, our Bills have been the brunt of some real turd burners.

 

* 13 seconds.........ugh

* the collapse against the Texans in our divisional round a few years back.......up 16 points at the half and then a total meltdown in the 2nd.

* the collapse against the Vikings........giving up 4th and 18 to JJ and losing the game miserably.

* Hail Murray

 

.......just to name a few.

 

In every one of these games, it was the D that lost the games. The O played just well enough to win, however, the D had a meltdown every time and gave up the ghost. As fans, it's disgusting to watch the collapse because we all know that no lead is safe with this HC.

 

For a Defensive HC that prides himself on being current and "on the ball", he has a lot to prove this season. Is he on the "hot seat"?.....no, but he should be.......he definitely should be.

 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Sweats said:

All i know is that the NFL Network has been running continuous "classic" games lately and unfortunately, our Bills have been the brunt of some real turd burners.

 

* 13 seconds.........ugh

* the collapse against the Texans in our divisional round a few years back.......up 16 points at the half and then a total meltdown in the 2nd.

* the collapse against the Vikings........giving up 4th and 18 to JJ and losing the game miserably.

* Hail Murray

 

.......just to name a few.

 

In every one of these games, it was the D that lost the games. The O played just well enough to win, however, the D had a meltdown every time and gave up the ghost. As fans, it's disgusting to watch the collapse because we all know that no lead is safe with this HC.

 

For a Defensive HC that prides himself on being current and "on the ball", he has a lot to prove this season. Is he on the "hot seat"?.....no, but he should be.......he definitely should be.

 

 

I don't think the offense played well enough to win at Houston. It threw up on itself second half of that game, turned the ball over and opened the door for Houston. It did play well enough vs Minnesota.... but the defense had stopped them and the game was done if Mitch and Josh could execute a snap. 

Edited March 26 by GunnerBill

[Sweats]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think the offense played well enough to win at Houston. It threw up on itself second half of that game, turned the ball over and opened the door for Houston. It did play well enough vs Minnesota.... but the defense had stopped them and the game was done if Mitch and Josh could execute a snap. 

 

 

 

Did the O play perfect against the Texans?.......no, but they still had the team up by 16 points at the half.

Watch the game again and you'll see the monumental collapse of the D in the 2nd half. It was totally and utterly disgusting. All the D had to do was hold on to the lead......just stop something, which they couldn't.......which is what Bills fans expect every time the D takes the field.

[Cash]

Haven’t had a chance to read the whole thread. Has anyone pointed out that back-to-back defending champ Andy Reid was also just quoted as saying “it’s hard to win in the NFL”? Is it time to just get over Dick Jauron saying a true statement that no one wants to hear during a mediocre stretch of football, or should the Chiefs be looking to move on from Reid?