Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 So I know the Bills are expected to get a comp pick for Edmunds in the 3rd. I see there are comp picks in all the other lower rounds too at the way down to the 7th. Wondering what does a team have to lose to only get say a 6th or 7th round comp pick? The water boy?? Chain gang? And I assume the Bills have no shot at any of those?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: So I know the Bills are expected to get a comp pick for Edmunds in the 3rd. I see there are comp picks in all the other lower rounds too at the way down to the 7th. Wondering what does a team have to lose to only get say a 6th or 7th round comp pick? The water boy?? Chain gang? And I assume the Bills have no shot at any of those?? No, it’s set. The Bills are getting a 3rd for Edmunds but that’s it. https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Jets getting a 7th rounder for Mike white haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 11 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I see there are comp picks in all the other lower rounds too at the way down to the 7th. Wondering what does a team have to lose to only get say a 6th or 7th round comp pick? The water boy?? Chain gang? It's based on the salary that the player signs for. Low salary = late pick. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 32 minutes ago, QCity said: It's based on the salary that the player signs for. Low salary = late pick. Also the formula of how many qualified players you lose versus how many qualified players you sign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 The pick is not per the individual player lost to FA, it's a composite of all the new contracts of all the FA you lost vs all the FA you signed. The Bills have hosed themselves out of comp picks a few times by signing marginal FAs when they could've netted a 4th or 5th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Bring back Frazier! 🥸 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 The NFL comp pick formula is very dumb in my opinion but the Bills at the very least got the third for Edmonds 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 43 minutes ago, 947 said: The pick is not per the individual player lost to FA, it's a composite of all the new contracts of all the FA you lost vs all the FA you signed. The Bills have hosed themselves out of comp picks a few times by signing marginal FAs when they could've netted a 4th or 5th. Don't think this is accurate. You need to have a net loss of players to be eligible for a comp pick. That is correct. And this is how Beane screwed up getting a 3rd round pick for Gilmore. All he had to do was dump a backup WR and marginal starting OG. However the round at which the pick is awarded is based on the individual contract the player signed with his new team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 The comp pick formula should allow for qualifying offers like baseball does as when it comes to draft picks I see no problem giving an end of the second round pick for the loss of Edmunds who was the leader of the bills defense for 5 years but the nfl only starts comp picks in the third round. Of course depending on what Gabe Davis signs for Bills should get another 3round pick for him next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Don't think this is accurate. You need to have a net loss of players to be eligible for a comp pick. That is correct. And this is how Beane screwed up getting a 3rd round pick for Gilmore. All he had to do was dump a backup WR and marginal starting OG. However the round at which the pick is awarded is based on the individual contract the player signed with his new team. You have to have a net loss of qualifying contracts. Non-qualifying very low value contracts don't count. Cincy this year are an example. They were net equal but two of their gains were such low value they don't count in the cancellation process. So they will gain two comps. The Bills should be in position for comp picks next year too with Davis, Dodson, AJE and Floyd all potential guys to get decent deals. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, billsfan89 said: The NFL comp pick formula is very dumb in my opinion but the Bills at the very least got the third for Edmonds It may be dumb but it's one of the few things that helps successful teams maintain their success. Everything else (draft order, schedule format, rookie wage scale) helps poorly run teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Also the formula of how many qualified players you lose versus how many qualified players you sign. has nothing to do with round of the compensatory pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 So, with the Bates trade, we have 11 picks now, right? Beane should be able to shuffle a few of them for earlier picks, possibly an additional 2nd. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 In deference to the retirement of Bill Belichick from coaching and GM duties, Commissioner Goodell has announced a suspension of the conditional draft pick program. "An experiment" says he. 🤔🤨 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 7 hours ago, billsfan89 said: The NFL comp pick formula is very dumb in my opinion but the Bills at the very least got the third Wait until next year. With our expected turnover, and not much to spend cap wise, we could be looking at 3-4 comp picks in 25' including a 3rd rounder. It depends on the contract Gabe gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 9 hours ago, QCity said: It's based on the salary that the player signs for. Low salary = late pick. OK so it's more about the salary than what round the player the team lost was drafted in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: So, with the Bates trade, we have 11 picks now, right? Beane should be able to shuffle a few of them for earlier picks, possibly an additional 2nd. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=buf Looks like 143 for Bates so add that. Just doing the math in my head, if I add up all 9 of our picks from the 3rd round and beyond I get 284 points, which is equivalent to pick 62. Obviously that’s not going to happen, but I’m hopeful we can use some of the late round picks to maneuver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 50 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: OK so it's more about the salary than what round the player the team lost was drafted in? The round drafted in or if they were originally an UDFA is completely irrelevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: So, with the Bates trade, we have 11 picks now, right? Beane should be able to shuffle a few of them for earlier picks, possibly an additional 2nd. We need to reload the roster with young players..We should use all those picks to draft players and stay away from the 1st week of FA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 9 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: The comp pick formula should allow for qualifying offers like baseball does as when it comes to draft picks I see no problem giving an end of the second round pick for the loss of Edmunds who was the leader of the bills defense for 5 years but the nfl only starts comp picks in the third round. Of course depending on what Gabe Davis signs for Bills should get another 3round pick for him next year. Well I hope some team is dumb enough to give Gabe 15-20. We need that additional 3rd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 10 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: The comp pick formula should allow for qualifying offers like baseball does as when it comes to draft picks I see no problem giving an end of the second round pick for the loss of Edmunds who was the leader of the bills defense for 5 years but the nfl only starts comp picks in the third round. Of course depending on what Gabe Davis signs for Bills should get another 3round pick for him next year. That depends, do they replace him? Do they sign more FAs than they let walk? There’s a scenario where he could net you a pick, but I kinda doubt it’s a 3rd to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 13 hours ago, DanInUticaTampa said: Jets getting a 7th rounder for Mike white haha They could have used him last year Rams got a 5th for Mayfield and SF got a 3rd for Jimmy G 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Speaking of comp picks, if Gabe gets a strong enough payday would we be possibly looking at another 3rd next year? Depending on the players we add, of course, could mean we have that potential pick to play with come draft day to move up if we were so inclined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 49 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: Speaking of comp picks, if Gabe gets a strong enough payday would we be possibly looking at another 3rd next year? Depending on the players we add, of course, could mean we have that potential pick to play with come draft day to move up if we were so inclined. I'd be shocked if he got a contract that would earn enough to get a 3rd. I'd guess a 5th unless some team with a lot of cash overpays for him, then maybe a 4th. We should be losing more than we sign especially with 11 draft picks to fill holes on the cheap. I doubt Beane ends up using more than 8 of those picks but that is still a bunch of guys that we can draft and don't need to sign in free agnecy. 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: You have to have a net loss of qualifying contracts. Non-qualifying very low value contracts don't count. Cincy this year are an example. They were net equal but two of their gains were such low value they don't count in the cancellation process. So they will gain two comps. The Bills should be in position for comp picks next year too with Davis, Dodson, AJE and Floyd all potential guys to get decent deals. Agree on Davis, AJE, and Dodson. Does Floyd count as a loss? I thought he had a void year, and that might not count as a true free agent loss. 5 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: OK so it's more about the salary than what round the player the team lost was drafted in? It's all about the salary they sign with their new team. It has nothing to do with where they were drafted in the past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Did somebody say comp picks? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Agree on Davis, AJE, and Dodson. Does Floyd count as a loss? I thought he had a void year, and that might not count as a true free agent loss. I think so. He isn't under contract to the Bills they have no rights over him but it is a fair question I am not 100%. On your Gabe point the thinning of the WR FA class helps us I think. I am thinking he likely gets us a 4th now. Twelve and a half AAV was the range for that last year and that is where I think Gabe lands. $12-14m. Edited March 5 by GunnerBill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 14 hours ago, billsfan89 said: The NFL comp pick formula is very dumb in my opinion but the Bills at the very least got the third for Edmonds I am pumped about the 3rd round pick for Edmunds. The best value we got since we drafted him was the 3rd round comp pick for letting him go. I knew there had to be something good about over drafting Tremaine Edmunds in 2018. Thank god Beane and the Bills moved on. Terrell Bernard is such a better fit for our defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 43 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: It's all about the salary they sign with their new team. It has nothing to do with where they were drafted in the past. OK so we're not getting a 3rd because we lost a 1st rounder in Edmunds, it's completely because of the contract he signed with Bears? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 51 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Does Floyd count as a loss? I thought he had a void year, and that might not count as a true free agent loss. Yes. As long as the void was automatic and not a team or player option. And as long as the contract wasn't renegotiated to move the void to a sooner date, then he does count toward the formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Anyone else notice that the Eagles got a 3d, 3 5ths, and 5 6ths? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, Low Positive said: Anyone else notice that the Eagles got a 3d, 3 5ths, and 5 6ths? Yeah, but because the rules say no more than 4 picks are actually awarded they only get the 3rd and 3 5ths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, Tuco said: Yeah, but because the rules say no more than 4 picks are actually awarded they only get the 3rd and 3 5ths. I did not know that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 4 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: OK so we're not getting a 3rd because we lost a 1st rounder in Edmunds, it's completely because of the contract he signed with Bears? Yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Here is the Bills pick 🤙🏼 Round 4, Pick 133: Buffalo Go Bills!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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