After yesterday who is your WR pick at 28?

[NewEra]

I think it’s funny how the combine has had such a negative effect on how this board views Troy Franklin.  
 

prior to the draft, 90% of the board had Franklin as a top 5 WR in this class.  Now he’s WR8-10.  Barely anyone wanted Worthy over Franklin. Now, almost everyone does.  Same with Mitchell.  

 

it was a poor combine for the kid, no doubt.  But I think people are putting to much emphasis on the underwear Olympics rather than tape.  Prior to the combine, I wanted Franklin, Mitchell or Legette.  Those are still the guys I want most.  Never thought thomas would make it out of the top 20.  

[BillsFanForever19]

53 minutes ago, Estro said:

My take changed a little post combine and after listening to some of the film guys I respect most (Greg Cosell).

 

There's a well defined top 3 l, that we all know:

 

1. Marvin Harrison Jr.

2. Malik Nabers

3. Rome Odunze

 

After that to me there's the next tier, which includes 2 WRs, and I've flipped where I think they'll go:

 

4. Adonai Mitchell

5. Brian Thomas Jr

 

And I happen to think both will very likely be off the board before #28. I was hopeful Mitchell would eb an option, but after listening to Cosell sing his praises, coupled with his combine performance, I think hes gone.  Brian Thomas, I would give a slight chance of being there, but he'll likely be gone too.

 

That brings us to my next tier, and I happen to think theres a bit of a drop-off to this group  compared to the 2 WRs listed above:

 

6. Troy Franklin

7. Ladd Mcconkey

8. Xavier Worthy

 

Everyone knew Worthy was a speed demon and he proved it in the combine. I thought he was a 2nd round type WR due to his slight frame. Maybe he's a laye 1st because the speed is so freaky, but I think he'll be around at #28.  He's just a small (super skinny) guy and I'm not sure the Bills will be the team to fall in love with him. The same can be said for Franklin. Super slight build and a higher drop rate percentage is a bit of a concern.  I actually think Ladd might be the guy the Bills would like best out of this group, but at #28 it might be a bit rich.  

 

One last WR to mention: 

 

Jermaine Burton. I know nothing about his off field, obviously, and I've heard some negative rumblings, but as a player.......this guy's got the goods and in the 2nd round I've got that sneaky feeling he might be a Bills target.

 

Will he be there @ 50? Who the hell knows, but I think hes a WR worth getting to know

 

You're probably the only one who still has Troy Franklin that high. While we all knew Xavier Worthy was fast, we didn't know he was THE fastest to EVER test at ANY position. That's a big deal.

 

On the flip side, we thought Troy Franklin was 6'3" - he's 6'1". We thought although small, he was 195. He's 175. We thought he had Elite speed like Worthy - he's a 4.4 guy. Then in the on the field drills, he struggled. Probably the most all over the field gauntlet I've ever seen, dropping balls, and falling down in others.

 

Not to say he can't be a good WR one day. Just to say that the prognosticators were closer to his reality as a mid to late Round 2 guy than the posters of this board who were hyping him up as WR5 prior to the Combine. It was about as bad of a Combine for a guy that was hyped up around these parts as I can remember.

Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19

[MiracleAtRich1393]

40 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You're probably the only one who still has Troy Franklin that high. While we all knew Xavier Worthy was fast, we didn't know he was THE fastest to EVER test. That's a big deal.

 

On the flip side, we thought Troy Franklin was 6'3" - he's 6'1". We thought although small, he was 195. He's 175. We thought he had Elite speed like Worthy - he's a 4.4 guy. Then in the on the field drills, he struggled. Probably the most all over the field gauntlet I've ever seen, dropping balls, and falling down in others.

 

Not to say he can't be a good WR one day. Just to say that the prognosticators were closer to his reality as a mid to late Round 2 guy than the posters of this board who were hyping him up as WR5 prior to the Combine. It was about as bad of a Combine for a guy that was hyped up around these parts as I can remember.

I was all aboard the Franklin train. New information changed my opinion. Very disappointed in how that all turned out for him across the board 

[Mat68]

43 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You're probably the only one who still has Troy Franklin that high. While we all knew Xavier Worthy was fast, we didn't know he was THE fastest to EVER test. That's a big deal.

 

On the flip side, we thought Troy Franklin was 6'3" - he's 6'1". We thought although small, he was 195. He's 175. We thought he had Elite speed like Worthy - he's a 4.4 guy. Then in the on the field drills, he struggled. Probably the most all over the field gauntlet I've ever seen, dropping balls, and falling down in others.

 

Not to say he can't be a good WR one day. Just to say that the prognosticators were closer to his reality as a mid to late Round 2 guy than the posters of this board who were hyping him up as WR5 prior to the Combine. It was about as bad of a Combine for a guy that was hyped up around these parts as I can remember.

I come away wanting a Wr at 28.  I think Mitchell, Thomas and Worthy separated from the next group.  I would not be surprised if Franklin went before one of the fore mentioned but I find it unlikley.  I dont think the combine put those players ahead of Franklin.  Many places had it that way before.  Being smaller, thinner and slightly less dynamic an athlete makes it hard when other in front of Franklin knocked it out of the park.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You're probably the only one who still has Troy Franklin that high. While we all knew Xavier Worthy was fast, we didn't know he was THE fastest to EVER test at ANY position. That's a big deal.

 

On the flip side, we thought Troy Franklin was 6'3" - he's 6'1". We thought although small, he was 195. He's 175. We thought he had Elite speed like Worthy - he's a 4.4 guy. Then in the on the field drills, he struggled. Probably the most all over the field gauntlet I've ever seen, dropping balls, and falling down in others.

 

Not to say he can't be a good WR one day. Just to say that the prognosticators were closer to his reality as a mid to late Round 2 guy than the posters of this board who were hyping him up as WR5 prior to the Combine. It was about as bad of a Combine for a guy that was hyped up around these parts as I can remember.

With his measurables being so far off and that very horrible, gauntlet, no way he should go in the 1st.

[ngbills]

I want big and fast. Praying Brian Thomas is there. 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I want big and fast. Praying Brian Thomas is there. 

Virtually no chance. He's probably too far out of reach for a trade up as well.

Mitchell in a small trade up, or Legette is where I would place my money if I was a betting fella.

[John from Riverside]

I’m also not opposed to a slight trade down that picks us up an additional third round pick
 

Ideally, I’d like to see a trade down that got us two second round picks. I was just watching a mock where we did that and got the defensive tackle sweat and wide receiver Legette that would be awesome.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m also not opposed to a slight trade down that picks us up an additional third round pick
 

Ideally, I’d like to see a trade down that got us two second round picks. I was just watching a mock where we did that and got the defensive tackle sweat and wide receiver Legette that would be awesome.

If you're trading out of the first, you're either hoping KC goes offensive tackle or conceding the next WR to them without the Chiefs even having to trade up. I doubt Beane will risk it, unless there are multiple players he has about equal on the board at #28.

[BillsFanForever19]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

I’m also not opposed to a slight trade down that picks us up an additional third round pick
 

Ideally, I’d like to see a trade down that got us two second round picks. I was just watching a mock where we did that and got the defensive tackle sweat and wide receiver Legette that would be awesome.

 

I am opposed to a trade down.

 

In my eyes, with their performances at the Combine, combined (no pun intended) with the descension of Franklin - I see a dropoff after WR7. And with the ascension of guys like Worthy, Mitchell, and Legette and the solidification of Thomas as probably out of reach - we'd be playing a dangerous game trying to get one later than 28.

 

Especially with a team like Kansas City at least standing pat to take a WR, if not trading up.

[John from Riverside]

21 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I am opposed to a trade down.

 

In my eyes, with their performances at the Combine, combined (no pun intended) with the descension of Franklin - I see a dropoff after WR7. And with the ascension of guys like Worthy, Mitchell, and Legette and the solidification of Thomas as probably out of reach - we'd be playing a dangerous game trying to get one later than 28.

 

Especially with a team like Kansas City at least standing pat to take a WR, if not trading up.

It’s a horrible thought, but the fact is Kansas City is going to get a good wide receiver out of this draft. There’s nothing we can do to prevent it we just have to make sure that we also get a good one.
 

Legette is a second round guy

[BillsFanForever19]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

It’s a horrible thought, but the fact is Kansas City is going to get a good wide receiver out of this draft. There’s nothing we can do to prevent it we just have to make sure that we also get a good one.
 

Legette is a second round guy

 

You don't get that kind of frame with that kind of speed with his playmaking tape as a True Outside WR every day (which is what we're looking for).

 

He ascended and earned some money with how he looked yesterday. Where we're picking is pretty much the sweet spot for him. Trade down and there's a good chance you miss him. Then you're looking at guys like Keon Coleman and Troy Franklin that measured out disappointingly yesterday. 

Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19

[John from Riverside]

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You don't get that kind of frame with that kind of speed with his playmaking tape every day. He ascended and earned some money with how he looked yesterday. Where we're picking is pretty much the sweet spot for him. Trade down and there's a good chance you miss him. Then you're looking at guys like Keon Coleman and Troy Franklin that measured out disappointingly yesterday. 

You’re placing way too much stock on the underwear Olympics 

[BillsFanForever19]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

You’re placing way too much stock on the underwear Olympics 

 

You're placing too little. In Round 1, good measurements and showing out as an athletic specimen are integral to what Beane considers in Round 1. He always goes for traits and tools that fit the role he's looking for in Round 1. Even if they're looked at as needing a little development.

Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19

[mrags]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I think it’s funny how the combine has had such a negative effect on how this board views Troy Franklin.  
 

prior to the draft, 90% of the board had Franklin as a top 5 WR in this class.  Now he’s WR8-10.  Barely anyone wanted Worthy over Franklin. Now, almost everyone does.  Same with Mitchell.  

 

it was a poor combine for the kid, no doubt.  But I think people are putting to much emphasis on the underwear Olympics rather than tape.  Prior to the combine, I wanted Franklin, Mitchell or Legette.  Those are still the guys I want most.  Never thought thomas would make it out of the top 20.  

Kind of where I’m at. I did drop Franklin a little bit and raise Worthy a little bit. But I still think Franklin is an early 2nd as well as Worthy. Their slim frames will definitely be a knock on them imo. Mitchell did move up the board for me tho. Originally I had Franklin higher and now I have Mitchell higher. One guy that ***** up the boards imo is Walker. After his bad senior bowl he jumped out of the building. I had him at a late 3rd but now I think he’ll go in the 2nd. Where? I have no idea. If we were to get someone like Worthy in the first or early 2nd with a trade back I’d take a shot at Walker at 60 I think. Then go defense for the rest of the draft. 

[BillsFanForever19]

8 minutes ago, mrags said:

Kind of where I’m at. I did drop Franklin a little bit and raise Worthy a little bit. But I still think Franklin is an early 2nd as well as Worthy. Their slim frames will definitely be a knock on them imo. Mitchell did move up the board for me tho. Originally I had Franklin higher and now I have Mitchell higher. One guy that ***** up the boards imo is Walker. After his bad senior bowl he jumped out of the building. I had him at a late 3rd but now I think he’ll go in the 2nd. Where? I have no idea. If we were to get someone like Worthy in the first or early 2nd with a trade back I’d take a shot at Walker at 60 I think. Then go defense for the rest of the draft. 

 

Worthy won't be there in the early 2nd. Running the fastest time ever recorded at any position will skyrocket him. Whether or not you think it should.

 

John Ross went from about the same position as Worthy was in Pre-Combine to 7th Overall. Even if that's a cautionary tale, it's not enough that teams will completely disregard it and he'll go below 32. He was looked at as a bottom of the 1st type guy before he broke the record.

 

As I've said, Ian Rappaport said he talked to a "respected, high up league executive" who told him Worthy may have made himself the 4th WR off the board yesterday.

Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19

[Doc]

3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

You think teams are lining up for a 5'11" 165lb WR? 

 

Possibly, I'm not keen on smallish WRs as a WR2 prospect. They frequently get hurt, just like this guy running a 40🤣

 

It just takes one.  And the Raiders are fools for WRs with speed.

[mrags]

15 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Worthy won't be there in the early 2nd. Running the fastest time ever recorded at any position will skyrocket him. Whether or not you think it should.

 

John Ross went from about the same position as Worthy was in Pre-Combine to 7th Overall. Even if that's a cautionary tale, it's not enough that teams will completely disregard it and he'll go below 32. He was looked at as a bottom of the 1st type guy before he broke the record.

 

As I've said, Ian Rappaport said he talked to a "respected, high up league executive" who told him Worthy may have made himself the 4th WR off the board yesterday.

Ross was coming off a 17TD year in college where he blew up out of nowhere. He also weighed 20lbs more than Worthy and still couldn’t stay healthy. You can believe what you like. I think his size will be a problem for many teams and they will not risk a 1st on him when you could get a guy like Thomas that was blazing fast and 40lbs heavier. Taller. Etc. I’ve expressed my opinion multiple times, I don’t think Worthy goes before 28 for sure. I hope it’s not us that takes him with the question mark with his size. I’d 100% take Franklin, Mitchell, Legette, Thomas, and maybe Dez Walker over him. That’s my opinion. And I also think all of those guys end up having longer, healthier, and more productive careers. 

[billsbackto81]

3 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

I think I want the next Tyreek

At approximately the same height Tyreek has 25 lbs on this guy.

[transplantbillsfan]

If we stay at 28, I will be extremely happy with Thomas Jr or Mitchell. I'll be happy with Worthy, Franklin, Legette, McConkey or even Coleman (yes, despite the 40 time... he was great in drills).

 

That's a lot of players. And frankly, I'm not going to be remotely surprised if we don't draft at 28, trade back, and slingshot to get any one of those 7 players along with an impact defensive player. Or we very likely could also just draft defense in round 1 and see if any of those players fall in round 2, which they might.

 

And then you double dip with Roman Wilson, Malachi Coreley, Brendan Rice, Javon Baker, Ricky Pearsal, etc. in the middle rounds.

 

This draft is deeeeeep... get 2

[JohnBonhamRocks]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

There may never be another Tyreek

 

48 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

At approximately the same height Tyreek has 25 lbs on this guy.

To you both, I’ll concede the Tyreek comparison may be too much (although with his speed and ability to stop we’ll see), but I think he is at about Flowers level coming in last year. Maybe a little better. 

[Richard Noggin]

13 hours ago, bills6969 said:

 I’m in favor of either 1) trading back to the early 2nd or 2) drafting another position of need at 28 and trading up in the 2nd to grab one of the WRs

 

this WR class is so stacked, I think Franklin, Lagette, Walker, Coleman will all be there in the early 2nd. 

 

12 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm willing to trade up a couple spots to get Thomas or Mitchell.  Those 2 will be good NFL caliber wrs. I'm also convinced once wrs start coming off the board, the run on wrs will begin. There's just too much talent. I'm a little skeptical of Worthy not running drills but I think a team between 11-20 will grab him to begin the full run. Legette or McConkey would be acceptable at 28 if we don't move up.

 

7 hours ago, mrags said:

 

That’s where I’m at. Have higher expectations on Legette after this weekend. Mitchell. And Dez Walker who I expected would test through the roof this weekend. Looks like he’ll be a late 2nd to early 3rd round guy now. Maybe even higher if what some people expect actually happens and there’s a historical run on WRs in the first round with more than 6 coming off the board. 

 

 

At some point in the 2nd half of round one or the first half of round two, there will be a historic-ish run on WRs that results in 10+ guys drafted in the first 40-50 picks. Teams would be silly NOT to get in on the WR depth during the first two days of the draft. (You have to admit, the receivers overall looked even better than advertised at the combine. Such a position of strength, despite coming in so many different sizes and shapes.) 

Edited March 4 by Richard Noggin

[NewEra]

35 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

To you both, I’ll concede the Tyreek comparison may be too much (although with his speed and ability to stop we’ll see), but I think he is at about Flowers level coming in last year. Maybe a little better. 

Solid comp.  I thought flowers was slightly better but I’m pulling hairs there. While Worthy isn’t ideal for me as I’m just not a fan of 165lb ball carriers, he’s electric and I’d look forward to him playing with 17.  

[JohnBonhamRocks]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Solid comp.  I thought flowers was slightly better but I’m pulling hairs there. While Worthy isn’t ideal for me as I’m just not a fan of 165lb ball carriers, he’s electric and I’d look forward to him playing with 17.  

I get the size worries but he seems to play bigger than his size, keeps good balance, and does not shy away from contact 

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You're placing too little. In Round 1, good measurements and showing out as an athletic specimen are integral to what Beane considers in Round 1. He always goes for traits and tools that fit the role he's looking for in Round 1. Even if they're looked at as needing a little development.

You are downgrading Troy Franklin that’s how I know that you’re placing too much emphasis on it
 

Guys that were first round picks do not all of a sudden not become first round picks because of the underwear Olympics

1 hour ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

 

 

At some point in the 2nd half of round one or the first half of round two, there will be a historic-ish run on WRs that results in 10+ guys drafted in the first 40-50 picks. Teams would be silly NOT to get in on the WR depth during the first two days of the draft. (You have to admit, the receivers overall looked even better than advertised at the combine. Such a position of strength, despite coming in so many different sizes and shapes.) 

I do wonder, depending on who is still on the board if the bills are not formulating a plan to take a defensive lineman in round one and then trade up and round two for a wide receiver
 

Once again, not saying, this is what I would do but

[BillsFanForever19]

32 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

You are downgrading Troy Franklin that’s how I know that you’re placing too much emphasis on it
 

Guys that were first round picks do not all of a sudden not become first round picks because of the underwear Olympics

 

First off, he was not a consensus 1st Round Pick anywhere but on this board.

 

Many prognosticators listed him as a 2nd Round guy. Mel Kiper for example didn't even have him in his Top 10 WR's in his last ranking.

 

Those that did have him rated high had him there because he had "elite" speed around 4.30 or less and was 6'3". And although he had a small frame, he was still 193 lbs.

 

In all actuality, he is not 6'3". He's 6'1". He's not 193, he's 175. And the 4.3 or less guy was actually a 4.41 guy, ranking 10th amongst WRs and slower than guys he was expected to be faster than. Including a 1.61 10 yard split, ranking DEAD LAST amongst all WR's. Worrisome when one of his concerns already was creating separation at the line.

 

You might not think that's a big deal, but it IS a big deal. That's something that drops you. Or in this case, confirms he's much closer to the 2nd Round Pick that many had him as then the 1st Rounder everyone around here did.

 

Especially when you combine those numbers not matching expectations with a poor on field performance. One that had Daniel Jeremiah calling him out on Television.

 

The "Underwear Olympics", as you put it, raises and drops players every single year. If it didn't matter at all, they wouldn't do it. Measurements matter greatly on stock. Especially when they don't match what you're listed and expected to be. Doubly so when you underperform in drills.

Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19

[John from Riverside]

36 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

First off, he was not a consensus 1st Round Pick anywhere but on this board.

 

Many prognosticators listed him as a 2nd Round guy. Mel Kiper for example didn't even have him in his Top 10 WR's in his last ranking.

 

Those that did have him rated high had him there because he had "elite" speed around 4.30 or less and was 6'3". And although he had a small frame, he was still 193 lbs.

 

In all actuality, he is not 6'3". He's 6'1". He's not 193, he's 175. And the 4.3 or less guy was actually a 4.41 guy, ranking 10th amongst WRs and slower than guys he was expected to be faster than. Including a 1.61 10 yard split, ranking DEAD LAST amongst all WR's. Worrisome when one of his concerns already was creating separation at the line.

 

You might not think that's a big deal, but it IS a big deal. That's something that drops you. Or in this case, confirms he's much closer to the 2nd Round Pick that many had him as then the 1st Rounder everyone around here did.

 

Especially when you combine those numbers not matching expectations with a poor on field performance. One that had Daniel Jeremiah calling him out on Television.

 

The "Underwear Olympics", as you put it, raises and drops players every single year. If it didn't matter at all, they wouldn't do it. Measurements matter greatly on stock. Especially when they don't match what you're listed and expected to be. Doubly so when you underperform in drills.

You don’t follow mock drafts?

 

He was literally a first round, pick and almost every single one

 

I’m starting to wonder whether you’re serious or whether you just ***** with me because nobody is this stupid

 

friendly bet Troy Franklin goes in the first round this year maybe not to us, but he will go

Edited March 4 by John from Riverside

[BillsFanForever19]

40 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

You don’t follow mock drafts?

 

He was literally a first round, pick and almost every single one

 

I’m starting to wonder whether you’re serious or whether you just ***** with me because nobody is this stupid

 

friendly bet Troy Franklin goes in the first round this year maybe not to us, but he will go

 

Let's try a little exercise shall we? Here's the first 6 recommended when I Google "Mock Draft":

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2024/03/04/nfl-mock-draft-2024-quarterbacks-first-round-jj-mccarthy/72835611007/

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-combine-1st-round-xavier-worthy-jj-mccarthy-rome-odunze

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-two-round-mock-draft-j-j-mccarthy-lands-in-top-15-michael-penix-jr-bo-nix-taken-in-round-2/

 

https://www.thedraftnetwork.com/2024/03/03/nfl-mock-draft-2024-post-nfl-combine

 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tony-catalina-2024-nfl-mock-draft-march-3/

 

https://walterfootball.com/draft2024.php

 

Notice a pattern? Not a single one has Troy Franklin in Round 1. 

 

As for Pre-Combine - it was less than "almost every single one". As I said, Mel Kiper didn't. Off the top of my head, Bucky Brooks didn't. There were a number of others that didn't as we'd celebrate Brian Thomas Jr. being mocked to us as the 4th WR off the board at 28 on multiple occasions.

[John from Riverside]

9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Let's try a little exercise shall we? Here's the first 6 recommended when I Google "Mock Draft":

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2024/03/04/nfl-mock-draft-2024-quarterbacks-first-round-jj-mccarthy/72835611007/

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-combine-1st-round-xavier-worthy-jj-mccarthy-rome-odunze

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-two-round-mock-draft-j-j-mccarthy-lands-in-top-15-michael-penix-jr-bo-nix-taken-in-round-2/

 

https://www.thedraftnetwork.com/2024/03/03/nfl-mock-draft-2024-post-nfl-combine

 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tony-catalina-2024-nfl-mock-draft-march-3/

 

https://walterfootball.com/draft2024.php

 

Notice a pattern? Not a single one has Troy Franklin in Round 1. 

 

As for Pre-Combine - it was less than "almost every single one". As I said, Mel Kiper didn't. Off the top of my head, Bucky Brooks didn't. There were a number of others that didn't as we'd celebrate Brian Thomas Jr. being mocked to us as the 4th WR off the board at 28 on multiple occasions.

Friendly bet
 

He is a first round wide receiver. If I’m wrong I’ll come on here tell everybody that you were right if he get selected in the first round you do it.

Edited March 4 by John from Riverside

[BillsFanForever19]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Friendly bet
 

He is a first round wide receiver. If I’m wrong I’ll come on here tell everybody that you were right if he get selected in the first round you do it.

 

Sure, why not?

 

I personally don't see it unless there's 9 or 10 WR's going in Round 1.

Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19

[GunnerBill]

15 hours ago, DCOrange said:

Assuming the top 3 are completely out of reach and the rest are fair game (though I would be very surprised if Thomas made it to 28), my rankings starting at 4 are:

1. Brian Thomas Jr.
2. Keon Coleman
3. Troy Franklin
4. Jacob Cowing
5. Ladd McConkey
6. Ricky Pearsall
7. Roman Wilson
8. Ja'Lynn Polk
9. Adonai Mitchell
10. Brenden Rice

I would love to have Thomas at 28. After him, I'm honestly a little unsure now. Franklin had a pretty bad Combine; I still like the film and metrics enough that I'd probably take him but I'm not as confident in it as I was before yesterday. Coleman had a good Combine altogether, but the 40 time on top of the lack of separation on film is a very major red flag, so similar to Franklin, I'm not as confident about taking him as 28 as I was previously. Cowing, McConkey, Pearsall, etc. would be reaches/aren't really what I'm looking for for the Bills at 28, but I like them as prospects. Pearsall's Combine performance was pretty eye opening; similar to Mitchell I didn't really see the great athleticism that Pearsall showed yesterday.

 

I've made a couple of tweaks to my board based on the Combine. I think a lot of what I saw there was confirming things I'd already priced in so have left it unaffected but the things I've changed are:

 

- bumped Ladd McConkey up two points. He was just more explosive than I expected. You something get that with guys like him who are such smooth movers that you underestimate the explosiveness. He had a good week, moved him up two points on my grading chart;

- bumped Xavier Worthy up one point. I knew he was going to run fast but fastest ever, that deserves recognition, up one;

- bumped Troy Franklin down three. Isn't just an over reaction to the "underwear olympics" the problem for Franklin is all the things that were in the negatives column when I watched his film were exacerbated by what showed up both in the measurements and the drills and the things that were in the positives column were slightly undermined. I think I was guilty of seeing how he could be used in the Bills offense and thinking with red, white and blue specs on when originally grading him because I wanted him to be a potential weapon for us. I feel worse about every benefit of every doubt I gave him on the film post this weekend.

- Keon Coleman down one. I thought he'd run high 4.4s, maybe low 4.5s and I'd have been fine with that because I don't think speed was ever going to be his calling card. 4.64 doesn't totally rule him out of being a good NFL player but I wonder how effective he is really going to be as a deep threat outside at that speed. The lack of separation is explainable by that run. I wonder now if his best fit in the NFL is as a Big Slot. 

 

I left Adonai Mitchell unchanged. I need to go back to the tape on him because I was baffled by the testing. Does not show up on tape. So doing the same thought exercise as @DCOrange above and ignoring the top three that leaves me with a wide receiver board of:

 

1. Xavier Legette (1st)

2. Brian Thomas (1st/2nd)

3. Adonai Mitchell (2nd)

4. Ladd McConkey (2nd)

5. Xavier Worthy (2nd)

6. Troy Franklin (2nd)

7. Keon Coleman (2nd)

8. Roman Wilson (2nd/3rd)

9. Javon Baker (3rd)

10. Jermaine Burton (3rd)

[machine gun kelly]

Brian Thomas even  ok f we need to move up a few slots to get him.

[John from Riverside]

31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I've made a couple of tweaks to my board based on the Combine. I think a lot of what I saw there was confirming things I'd already priced in so have left it unaffected but the things I've changed are:

 

- bumped Ladd McConkey up two points. He was just more explosive than I expected. You something get that with guys like him who are such smooth movers that you underestimate the explosiveness. He had a good week, moved him up two points on my grading chart;

- bumped Xavier Worthy up one point. I knew he was going to run fast but fastest ever, that deserves recognition, up one;

- bumped Troy Franklin down three. Isn't just an over reaction to the "underwear olympics" the problem for Franklin is all the things that were in the negatives column when I watched his film were exacerbated by what showed up both in the measurements and the drills and the things that were in the positives column were slightly undermined. I think I was guilty of seeing how he could be used in the Bills offense and thinking with red, white and blue specs on when originally grading him because I wanted him to be a potential weapon for us. I feel worse about every benefit of every doubt I gave him on the film post this weekend.

- Keon Coleman down one. I thought he'd run high 4.4s, maybe low 4.5s and I'd have been fine with that because I don't think speed was ever going to be his calling card. 4.64 doesn't totally rule him out of being a good NFL player but I wonder how effective he is really going to be as a deep threat outside at that speed. The lack of separation is explainable by that run. I wonder now if his best fit in the NFL is as a Big Slot. 

 

I left Adonai Mitchell unchanged. I need to go back to the tape on him because I was baffled by the testing. Does not show up on tape. So doing the same thought exercise as @DCOrange above and ignoring the top three that leaves me with a wide receiver board of:

 

1. Xavier Legette (1st)

2. Brian Thomas (1st/2nd)

3. Adonai Mitchell (2nd)

4. Ladd McConkey (2nd)

5. Xavier Worthy (2nd)

6. Troy Franklin (2nd)

7. Keon Coleman (2nd)

8. Roman Wilson (2nd/3rd)

9. Javon Baker (3rd)

10. Jermaine Burton (3rd)

I feel differently on Troy Franklin, but I would be perfectly happy with Legette
I just feel like Leggette has so much untapped potential still

[Pete]

The Bills are going to trade up.  Everyone knows Buffalo needs WRs.  Teams are going to trade ahead of Bills and draft a WR.  We did it to Dallas with Dalton.  KC did it to us, when we drafted Elam.

 

There is a consensus top 3.

 

Mitchell has elite skills, and is the players Bills covet IMO.

If Mitchell makes it to 20(someone please overdraft Worthy), the Bills trade up and get their #1 WR- that’s my prediction 

[BillsFanForever19]

40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I've made a couple of tweaks to my board based on the Combine. I think a lot of what I saw there was confirming things I'd already priced in so have left it unaffected but the things I've changed are:

 

- bumped Ladd McConkey up two points. He was just more explosive than I expected. You something get that with guys like him who are such smooth movers that you underestimate the explosiveness. He had a good week, moved him up two points on my grading chart;

- bumped Xavier Worthy up one point. I knew he was going to run fast but fastest ever, that deserves recognition, up one;

- bumped Troy Franklin down three. Isn't just an over reaction to the "underwear olympics" the problem for Franklin is all the things that were in the negatives column when I watched his film were exacerbated by what showed up both in the measurements and the drills and the things that were in the positives column were slightly undermined. I think I was guilty of seeing how he could be used in the Bills offense and thinking with red, white and blue specs on when originally grading him because I wanted him to be a potential weapon for us. I feel worse about every benefit of every doubt I gave him on the film post this weekend.

- Keon Coleman down one. I thought he'd run high 4.4s, maybe low 4.5s and I'd have been fine with that because I don't think speed was ever going to be his calling card. 4.64 doesn't totally rule him out of being a good NFL player but I wonder how effective he is really going to be as a deep threat outside at that speed. The lack of separation is explainable by that run. I wonder now if his best fit in the NFL is as a Big Slot. 

 

I left Adonai Mitchell unchanged. I need to go back to the tape on him because I was baffled by the testing. Does not show up on tape. So doing the same thought exercise as @DCOrange above and ignoring the top three that leaves me with a wide receiver board of:

 

1. Xavier Legette (1st)

2. Brian Thomas (1st/2nd)

3. Adonai Mitchell (2nd)

4. Ladd McConkey (2nd)

5. Xavier Worthy (2nd)

6. Troy Franklin (2nd)

7. Keon Coleman (2nd)

8. Roman Wilson (2nd/3rd)

9. Javon Baker (3rd)

10. Jermaine Burton (3rd)

 

I thought I had Legette ranked high as WR5 or WR6. WR4 above Brian Thomas? Wow!

 

8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I feel differently on Troy Franklin, but I would be perfectly happy with Legette
I just feel like Leggette has so much untapped potential still

 

Wait a second, I thought Xavier Legette was a "2nd Round guy"?

[GunnerBill]

32 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I thought I had Legette ranked high as WR5 or WR6. WR4 above Brian Thomas? Wow!

 

 

Wait a second, I thought Xavier Legette was a "2nd Round guy"?

 

Yea I like Legette a lot. I think he can do everything Thomas can down the field and has more versatility to be used in other ways. I do think he will probably go day 2 because I think the one year production and the age thing will count against him. If he was 21 and had put up say 650 yards in 2022 and then had the season he had in 2023 people would look at some of the rawness that is still there on the film as untapped potential. But when you are 23, played 5 years of college football and only broke out your final year then they look at it as being tapped out. I get it, I understand the thinking. But I can't help loving his film. There is a bit of work to do on his feet at the line and the release package but that is absolutely something NFL coaching can refine. I'd happily take him at #28. 

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I thought I had Legette ranked high as WR5 or WR6. WR4 above Brian Thomas? Wow!

 

 

Wait a second, I thought Xavier Legette was a "2nd Round guy"?

That is probably where he’s going to get taken There’s a difference between what round they go in and what I feel they should go in

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

If he drops that far, Brian Thomas in a heartbeat. After that...I am making some calls to the teams at the top of the 2nd. Because it's looking like a glut with Franklin, McConkey, Worthy, and Adonai Mitchell. While I had had by doubts about McConkey, he was bigger, faster and stronger than Franklin even if I like Franklin's film better (from my very limited watching).

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I've made a couple of tweaks to my board based on the Combine. I think a lot of what I saw there was confirming things I'd already priced in so have left it unaffected but the things I've changed are:

 

- bumped Ladd McConkey up two points. He was just more explosive than I expected. You something get that with guys like him who are such smooth movers that you underestimate the explosiveness. He had a good week, moved him up two points on my grading chart;

- bumped Xavier Worthy up one point. I knew he was going to run fast but fastest ever, that deserves recognition, up one;

- bumped Troy Franklin down three. Isn't just an over reaction to the "underwear olympics" the problem for Franklin is all the things that were in the negatives column when I watched his film were exacerbated by what showed up both in the measurements and the drills and the things that were in the positives column were slightly undermined. I think I was guilty of seeing how he could be used in the Bills offense and thinking with red, white and blue specs on when originally grading him because I wanted him to be a potential weapon for us. I feel worse about every benefit of every doubt I gave him on the film post this weekend.

- Keon Coleman down one. I thought he'd run high 4.4s, maybe low 4.5s and I'd have been fine with that because I don't think speed was ever going to be his calling card. 4.64 doesn't totally rule him out of being a good NFL player but I wonder how effective he is really going to be as a deep threat outside at that speed. The lack of separation is explainable by that run. I wonder now if his best fit in the NFL is as a Big Slot. 

 

I left Adonai Mitchell unchanged. I need to go back to the tape on him because I was baffled by the testing. Does not show up on tape. So doing the same thought exercise as @DCOrange above and ignoring the top three that leaves me with a wide receiver board of:

 

1. Xavier Legette (1st)

2. Brian Thomas (1st/2nd)

3. Adonai Mitchell (2nd)

4. Ladd McConkey (2nd)

5. Xavier Worthy (2nd)

6. Troy Franklin (2nd)

7. Keon Coleman (2nd)

8. Roman Wilson (2nd/3rd)

9. Javon Baker (3rd)

10. Jermaine Burton (3rd)

Thanks Gunner

So based on your reshuffling and so much other chatter, are the Bills taking a WR in the 1st? Seems like you believe that the value is suspect, and the smarter move is to take a DL and then slide back up in the 2nd for a WR. 

[mrags]

8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

 

 

At some point in the 2nd half of round one or the first half of round two, there will be a historic-ish run on WRs that results in 10+ guys drafted in the first 40-50 picks. Teams would be silly NOT to get in on the WR depth during the first two days of the draft. (You have to admit, the receivers overall looked even better than advertised at the combine. Such a position of strength, despite coming in so many different sizes and shapes.) 

Agree. I however disagree that 6 will be taken before we do at 28