Dan Marino lists top QBs of all time; Kelly makes list

[Nephilim17]

Not news we can use but nice and interesting to see. I don't hear Jim's name come up in this convo outside of some fans here.

 

"To me, [Joe] Montana and [John] Elway, Jim Kelly -- those guys, all those guys," Marino told Sports Illustrated before Super Bowl LVIII. "Patrick Mahomes, he's going to be considered one of the best ever, too. You got Tom Brady, you got a lot of guys. So, there's a lot to pick from there."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dolphins-legend-dan-marino-lists-his-greatest-nfl-quarterbacks-of-all-time-one-surprising-name-makes-the-cut/#:~:text="To me%2C [Joe],of the best ever%2C too.

[Punching Bag]

Marino was a good THROWER but not s great QuarterBACK.  He was not even good at fakes and got his RBs demolished frequently.

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

I like Marino more as time goes by.. strange. 

[Buddy Hix]

Kelly makes the list because him and Dan are buddies, imo. Look at Kelly's playoff stats, they are atrocious. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

I mean, of course Dan's going to list the guys he played a lot against from his era. It's who he's most familiar with and good friends with to boot. 

 

Jimbo was definitely one of the best of his era. And that's probably the most accurate ways to rank QBs. By era and not all-time IMO. 

[Logic]

Marino is probably a bit biased, because Kelly's Bills routinely eliminated Marino's Dolphins from the playoffs.

When thinking about the guy who was one of the biggest reasons you never won a Lombardi, it's probably more palatable to label him "one of the best ever" 😋

But in all seriousness, Kelly's in the Hall of Fame for a reason. Simply looking at his (or any 90s QB's) stats through the context of today's statistical production doesn't really paint a clear picture. The league was very different back then.

[Punching Bag]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

Marino is probably a bit biased, because Kelly's Bills routinely eliminated Marino's Dolphins from the playoffs.

When thinking about the guy who was one of the biggest reasons you never won a Lombardi, it's probably more palatable to label him "one of the best ever" 😋

But in all seriousness, Kelly's in the Hall of Fame for a reason. Simply looking at his (or any 90s QB's) stats through the context of today's statistical production doesn't really paint a clear picture. The league was very different back then.

 

Correct.  Would the 90s zebras make up a truck rule to allow Teflon T*m to  get away with as much stuff?  No.

 

[Mikie2times]

18 minutes ago, Punching Bag said:

Marino was a good THROWER but not s great QuarterBACK.  He was not even good at fakes and got his RBs demolished frequently.

All time bad take 

[Logic]

I still don't think people realize how amazing Marino putting up 5,084 yards and 48 passing TDs in the 1984 NFL was. Absolutely mind boggling stuff.

Anway...give Dan Marino the Marks brothers and a good o-line in the 2024 NFL and he's going for 6,000 yards and 65 TDs.

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

I still don't think people realize how amazing Marino putting up 5,084 yards and 48 passing TDs in the 1984 NFL was. Absolutely mind boggling stuff.

Anway...give Dan Marino the Marks brothers and a good o-line in the 2024 NFL and he's going for 6,000 yards and 65 TDs.

 

He did it in an era when defenses could actually play defense unlike today where the rules favor the offense.

[Dablitzkrieg]

20 minutes ago, Punching Bag said:

 

Correct.  Would the 90s zebras make up a truck rule to allow Teflon T*m to  get away with as much stuff?  No.

 

You should put these on your tongue with takes like these 🫠

[Logic]

8 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

He did it in an era when defenses could actually play defense unlike today where the rules favor the offense.

Absolutely. He averaged 317 yards and 3 TDs a game over 16 games. He had 16 more touchdowns than the guy closest to him on the list that year! Despite throwing so frequently and scoring so much, he also finished with the league's second best completion percentage (64.2%) and best QB Rating (108.2).

Again, compared to modern numbers, none of those statistics may look particularly impressive. But in that era of run-run-pass and of defensive players mauling quarterbacks and receivers, it was an absolutely astonishing season.

Edited February 23 by Logic

[sven233]

They are good friends and Kelly beat the brakes off him more often than not.  Kelly is one of the main reasons Marino didn't win a Super Bowl.  This make complete sense coming from Dan.  Kelly would say the complete opposite.  He'd have Dan on his list for sure and I think Kelly would even say that, as great as he was, he's not in that top 5 range all time.  I mean, he's already said on multiple occasions that Allen is already better than he was and Allen still has a decade (we can hope) of Bills football ahead of him.  

 

All that said, it is literally impossible to compare QBs of different eras.  It was a totally different game in the 80s and 90s.  Not saying it is better or worse, but the game has changed dramatically.  

Edited February 23 by sven233

[T master]

It almost seems that the rivalry that use to be way back in the day between the Bills & Dolphins has been kind of forgotten. I remember how much Bills fans use to hate them back when the saying of "Miami's got the oranges but we got the Juice" was all the rage .

 

It use to be a game that Bills fans always looked forward to & loved to hate on the Fins but not so much any more, but the game has changes immensely back then it was real players would try to actually hurt players on the other team & even though there may be some dislike now it's no where near what it use to be .

 

Marino is a HOF er for good reason the guy could sling it & just like Kelly it sucks that neither of them have a Lomabardi to call their own !! 

[Billl]

Fun fact:  Jim Kelly was more than a year older than Josh is today when he played in his first postseason game.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Never won a Super Bowl! 

 

Kelly is better, he has 4 AFC Championship rings. Dan only 1.

 

[KOKBILLS]

My list...

 

1. Josh Allen 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

5 minutes ago, Billl said:

Fun fact:  Jim Kelly was more than a year older than Josh is today when he played in his first postseason game.

AND Josh is 20 years younger than Peyton Manning. Manning won his first SuperBowl in 2006-2007.

 

You see where I am going, do the math AND if we fail there, we got John Elway to compare Josh to. 😆 

[Gregg]

16 minutes ago, T master said:

It almost seems that the rivalry that use to be way back in the day between the Bills & Dolphins has been kind of forgotten. I remember how much Bills fans use to hate them back when the saying of "Miami's got the oranges but we got the Juice" was all the rage .

 

It use to be a game that Bills fans always looked forward to & loved to hate on the Fins but not so much any more, but the game has changes immensely back then it was real players would try to actually hurt players on the other team & even though there may be some dislike now it's no where near what it use to be .

 

Marino is a HOF er for good reason the guy could sling it & just like Kelly it sucks that neither of them have a Lomabardi to call their own !! 

 

The rivalry with the Dolphins cooled after the Kelly-Marino years with the Bills going into their 17-year playoff less streak. Also, the Dolphins weren't all that great either and then the Pats were dominating the division. But now I would say the rivalry is heating up again. Both teams are good as they met in the 2022 playoffs and battled for the division last year on the final Sunday of the regular season.

[Mark Vader]

8 minutes ago, Billl said:

Fun fact:  Jim Kelly was more than a year older than Josh is today when he played in his first postseason game.

And started his first couple of years as a professional quarterback in the USFL.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, Mark Vader said:

And started his first couple of years as a professional quarterback in the USFL.

KillJoy! 😉😜

[Gregg]

9 minutes ago, Billl said:

Fun fact:  Jim Kelly was more than a year older than Josh is today when he played in his first postseason game.

 

Unless he played a playoff game when he was with the Houston Gamblers. I would have to look it up as I can't recall if he did or not.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Kelly isn't even in the top 20 of NFL QBs 

For his era he was outside of the top 5, behind Montana, Elway, Aikman, Young, and Marino. 

Kelly was perfect for Buffalo and perfect for the Kgun. He was gutsy and could play in the cold playoff weather. 

Allen is better in every possible way. We are lucky to have two HOF QBs and Kemp was great for the city of Buffalo as well. 

[Gregg]

Just now, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Kelly isn't even in the top 20 of NFL QBs 

For his era he was outside of the top 5, behind Montana, Elway, Aikman, Young, and Marino. 

Kelly was perfect for Buffalo and perfect for the Kgun. He was gutsy and could play in the cold playoff weather. 

Allen is better in every possible way. We are lucky to have two HOF QBs and Kemp was great for the city of Buffalo as well. 

 

When you look at the Bills history with QB's there are only 4 worth mentioning.

 

Kemp - from the 60's. Two AFL championships.

Ferguson - from the 70's into the 80's. He had a decent career with the Bills.

Kelly - from the 80's into the 90's. He got the entire region interested in the Bills again. I remember the "Kelly is God" sign at the 86-opener vs the Jets.

Allen - from 2018 to the present. Definitely the most talented and athletic QB the Bills have had. Hopefully he can bring a championship to WNY.

[Chaos]

53 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

AND Josh is 20 years younger than Peyton Manning. Manning won his first SuperBowl in 2006-2007.

 

You see where I am going, do the math AND if we fail there, we got John Elway to compare Josh to. 😆 

So nine seasons with a coach (Reeves) who could not get it done, replaced by a coach (Shanahan) who gets it done in year 2?

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, Punching Bag said:

Marino was a good THROWER but not s great QuarterBACK.  He was not even good at fakes and got his RBs demolished frequently.

Marino was one heck of a QB. Even though, back in the day, we all loathed him, Dan played at a high level for many many years. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

2 hours ago, Buddy Hix said:

Kelly makes the list because him and Dan are buddies, imo. Look at Kelly's playoff stats, they are atrocious. 

Ha! I’ve seen much worse, including from one current multiple MVP winner!! Jim won a lot of playoff games, but what skews the stats is when he lost, he lost spectacularly. 

[Returntoglory]

2 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Not news we can use but nice and interesting to see. I don't hear Jim's name come up in this convo outside of some fans here.

 

"To me, [Joe] Montana and [John] Elway, Jim Kelly -- those guys, all those guys," Marino told Sports Illustrated before Super Bowl LVIII. "Patrick Mahomes, he's going to be considered one of the best ever, too. You got Tom Brady, you got a lot of guys. So, there's a lot to pick from there."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dolphins-legend-dan-marino-lists-his-greatest-nfl-quarterbacks-of-all-time-one-surprising-name-makes-the-cut/#:~:text="To me%2C [Joe],of the best ever%2C too.

Same Era as Danny boy. And oh yeah, they're best friends 😉

[ExiledInIllinois]

12 minutes ago, Chaos said:

So nine seasons with a coach (Reeves) who could not get it done, replaced by a coach (Shanahan) who gets it done in year 2?

You forgot Terrell Davis too. 😉😜 

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

I like Marino more as time goes by.. strange. 

I used to hate the way that he would throw the ball away, rather than take a hit. It was not very common back then. Always called him a sissy.  Nowadays they just call that smart football, and commend the player for preserving his body.  But watching Marino do it back then, would always drive me crazy.  

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

Unless he played a playoff game when he was with the Houston Gamblers. I would have to look it up as I can't recall if he did or not.

He played in two playoff games and lost them both. They blew a 16-3 lead in 1984 and lost 17-16, and they lost 22-20 to Birmingham the next season. Joe Cribbs was the lead running back for Birmingham (16 carries for 70 yards). In fact, you can watch the whole game right here: 

 

Edited February 23 by dave mcbride

[Billsatlastin2018]

2 hours ago, Buddy Hix said:

Kelly makes the list because him and Dan are buddies, imo. Look at Kelly's playoff stats, they are atrocious. 

Maybe…

 

Between the two, guess who NEVER won a Playoff game against the other?

[BillsPride12]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

I still don't think people realize how amazing Marino putting up 5,084 yards and 48 passing TDs in the 1984 NFL was. Absolutely mind boggling stuff.

Anway...give Dan Marino the Marks brothers and a good o-line in the 2024 NFL and he's going for 6,000 yards and 65 TDs.

People always forget Marino was the only QB who was able to shred that 85 Bears Defense.  It's a shame Miami got upset against NE in the playoffs that year that would've been a much more entertaining Super Bowl

[Mr. WEO]

Marino:  "I mean, yeah....could be anyone"

[Ethan in Cleveland]

41 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

When you look at the Bills history with QB's there are only 4 worth mentioning.

 

Kemp - from the 60's. Two AFL championships.

Ferguson - from the 70's into the 80's. He had a decent career with the Bills.

Kelly - from the 80's into the 90's. He got the entire region interested in the Bills again. I remember the "Kelly is God" sign at the 86-opener vs the Jets.

Allen - from 2018 to the present. Definitely the most talented and athletic QB the Bills have had. Hopefully he can bring a championship to WNY.

Ferguson isn't worth mentioning with the exception of his ankle injury in 1980 playoffs. If he is healthy, that defense and Cribbs wins a SuperBowl over a weak Eagles team.

[FilthyBeast]

You get the sense that JA17 is going to be this generations Marino.

 

A special talent that will never win a championship, in this case not because of a dominant NFC conference/better team in his own division..... but because of the best player in NFL standing in his way.

 

But getting back to Marino, I think many fans take for granted just how great he was in an era that was not built around complex, high flying passes offense like we see in today's NFL.

[Buddy Hix]

1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Ha! I’ve seen much worse, including from one current multiple MVP winner!! Jim won a lot of playoff games, but what skews the stats is when he lost, he lost spectacularly. 

Go look at his game logs from the postseason. Jim had four good games out of nineteen. Jim was tough, probably a great leader, but he wasn’t good when it mattered.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 minute ago, Buddy Hix said:

Go look at his game logs from the postseason. Jim had four good games out of nineteen. Jim was tough, probably a great leader, but he wasn’t good when it mattered.

So that’s a line you could stick on every single QB who didn’t win the big one—at some point each year they would not have been good enough when it mattered, no? Jim did what he had to, plenty. “Probably” a good leader doesn’t get you into a gold jacket, imho. 

[Nuncha]

8 hours ago, Buddy Hix said:

Kelly makes the list because him and Dan are buddies, imo. Look at Kelly's playoff stats, they are atrocious. 

Jim Kelly had a passer rating of 72.3 with 3,863 yards, 21 touchdowns and 28 interceptions in 17 games in the playoffs in his career.

[In Summary]

6 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Marino was one heck of a QB. Even though, back in the day, we all loathed him, Dan played at a high level for many many years. 

He just never had a Thurman.