JakeFrommStateFarm Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Andy Reid will turn him into a probowler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: This is just another example of why the Chiefs are kicking everyone's rear including the Bills when he it comes to the salary cap. That team has at least 30 plus players making 2 million of less and for next season. The Chiefs have many guys making just above one million and this signing today will be another one. Terry Pegula needs to start asking questions on why Beane has so many bad contracts and are always having to rework deals. There are guys on this team that I would cut right now, Harty/Neal/Hines. Anyone who does not agree then I suggest to look up the Chiefs cap situation on over the cap 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Total speculation on my part. My thought is when the Bills grilled him about his involvement in the case , he may have not told them everything. I’m not saying he was guilty but perhaps the Bills got a bit blindsided by some aspects of the case. Otherwise the Bills are just incompetent as he is clearly better than who they have had since. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) This has to be a joke. What’s next? They going to turn Buffalo Wings into Kansas City Wings. But, what I really can’t wait for is Araiza “sniffing” around Taylor Swift!!! 😈 PS. I wouldn’t mind them taking former Carolina Panthers’ players (or how about taking Von Miller for Chris Jones 😂). Edited February 22 by biggerdaddynj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Just got home from work and just seeing this news now. IMO, it’s just another example/indicator of why the Chiefs have won multiple SBs, and why the Bills are perpetual one (or two) and done in the playoffs every year. After the late season problems that Martin had, MA should have been signed ASAP by the Bills. Beane let us down, again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) He wasn't coming back to Buffalo and since he was exonerated (more or less), somebody was going to sign him. He has a rare talent. I certainly would have preferred to see him sign with a NFC team that the Bills rarely see rather than an AFC contender who they face almost every year, regular season and playoffs. While a punter's impact might be fairly minimal, it would be a bit of a slap in the face if he boomed a huge punt that "flipped the field" against the Bills in a crucial moment of a big game. It would not have been realistic for the Bills to sign him late last season. The kid had never taken a snap in a NFL game, other than one in a preseason game, and had never held for field goals in any meaningful football game. He's also from a warm weather hometown and college, so he'd never played in cold weather. The risk was way too high, all of the other "distraction" stuff aside. I do think that he will eventually get all of that experience and be a very good NFL punter. Edited February 22 by msw2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 37 minutes ago, Doc said: That's because he was a RFA and they had ROFR. Another piece of the puzzle. Yea I think Townsend wants the highest punting contract on the market. I think Araiza will start there. But he is a downgrade on Townsend. My issue with Araiza was always his hang time was a problem despite his leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Beach said: i blame all of you with the pitchforks before we could hear any real evidence There was ZERO chance Bills were doing anything other than cutting him once the allegations were made. Remember the allegations? Having non consensual sex with a minor? Remember the Bills were consensus favorites to win the Super Bowl going into that year. There was again zero chance of keeping him on the roster and have the daily distractions stemming from having an accused rapist on the team. Was it fair? Of course not. Is it insane that he signed with our arch rival? Of course it is. But it’s the Bills. Another brick in the wall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 8 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: There was ZERO chance Bills were doing anything other than cutting him once the allegations were made. Remember the allegations? Having non consensual sex with a minor? Remember the Bills were consensus favorites to win the Super Bowl going into that year. There was again zero chance of keeping him on the roster and have the daily distractions stemming from having an accused rapist on the team. Was it fair? Of course not. Is it insane that he signed with our arch rival? Of course it is. But it’s the Bills. Another brick in the wall. Araiza had a consensual sex with a 17 year old. That would have been perfectly legal in NY and many other US states. It was technically illegal in CA, but of course he wasn't charged with anything in relation to that because nobody prosecutes stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 38 minutes ago, BillsDiehard said: I didn't know why we didn't sign him instead of Haack...we could've then signed him to a futures contract. Because Araiza never punted in an NFL regular season game and you'd be asking him to make his first start in a playoff game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan777 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Good for him there was no way in hell he would want come back to this hypocritical organization after all the buffalobills had him guilty before any evidence came out yet they still have a woman abuser on the roster aka von miller 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 minute ago, BillsFanSD said: Araiza had a consensual sex with a 17 year old. That would have been perfectly legal in NY and many other US states. It was technically illegal in CA, but of course he wasn't charged with anything in relation to that because nobody prosecutes stuff like that. Tried to do this from memory. If it was consensual, what theory was her attorney pushing? Was she drunk? In any event, a 22 year old having sex with a 17 year old isn’t a great look. I’ll repeat. No way the Bills were going to do anything other than cut him after the allegations came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Bills basically gave KC a free draft pick This after handing them Mahomes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Just now, Billsfan777 said: Good for him there was no way in hell he would want come back to this hypocritical organization after all the buffalobills had him guilty before any evidence came out yet they still have a woman abuser on the roster aka von miller Yes. The Von Miller and Matt Araiza situations were exactly the same. Brilliant stuff here as usual. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) 31 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: There was ZERO chance Bills were doing anything other than cutting him once the allegations were made. Remember the allegations? Having non consensual sex with a minor? Remember the Bills were consensus favorites to win the Super Bowl going into that year. There was again zero chance of keeping him on the roster and have the daily distractions stemming from having an accused rapist on the team. Was it fair? Of course not. Is it insane that he signed with our arch rival? Of course it is. But it’s the Bills. Another brick in the wall. I'll take it a step further - there isn't a team in the NFL that wouldn't have done the same. You can be mad about it and say "nuh uh - it would have been just us because we're dumb", but I supremely doubt it. It was terrible timing and a terrible situation. Since it happened before he entered the league, the option to put him on an exempt list didn't exist. We would have had to use a 53 man roster spot on a guy who wasn't here and another spot for another Punter for two straight seasons, if we wanted to wait everything out. All the while it being a media distraction hanging over our heads for all that time. NO team in the league would have done that. And it was far from just us who had pitchforks out. It was a national story picked up by even non-Sports outlets. Every NFL fanbase and every media outlet had the same "pitchforks" out. Is it unfortunate it played out as it did and KC reaps the possible rewards? Yes. But this idea that we should have waited it out and never let him go - isn't really a reality. Whoever drafted him if it wasn't us, would have had the same thing happen in their house and would have done the same thing. Edited February 22 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Once again, Bean Boy is left holding his wand! At the Punter injury time, the Bills shoulda grabbed him for some weak WNY Beer & a $50 Timmie’s card! As many of us here… advised. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 minute ago, st pete gogolak said: Tried to do this from memory. If it was consensual, what theory was her attorney pushing? Was she drunk? In any event, a 22 year old having sex with a 17 year old isn’t a great look. I’ll repeat. No way the Bills were going to do anything other than cut him after the allegations came out. "Not a good look" is never a reason to get the pitchforks out. Come on now. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 minute ago, BillsFanSD said: "Not a good look" is never a reason to get the pitchforks out. Come on now. Please see post from BillsFanForever19 above. Couldn’t put it any better than that. I’ll say it for the third time. There was ZERO chance Bills were keeping Azaria after the allegations came out. And I say that as someone who was very disappointed that it turned out that way. What was the one preseason punt? 82 yards? Kid could have been a valuable weapon for us but it was not to be, cherie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea I think Townsend wants the highest punting contract on the market. I think Araiza will start there. But he is a downgrade on Townsend. My issue with Araiza was always his hang time was a problem despite his leg. Which is pry why he was the third punter drafted in that class. If you have faith in your punt coverage and want the maximum potential to flip the field he's your guy. Definitely more risky to give up the big returns though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 31 other teams had all season to sign him and let him give their staff the sti’s he’s admitted to having but they didn’t. Now he’s all Kermit’s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 This clearly opens the floodgates to the premier free agents signing with the Chiefs on 1-year vet minimum deals in order to stack the roster even further. Suddenly everyone will put money out of their minds and focus on getting a ring. The first domino to fall in this direction will likely be Gabe Davis. Meanwhile, we will sign a punter to $20mil/year and extend McBeane into the 2040s. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 32 minutes ago, Bob Jones said: Just got home from work and just seeing this news now. IMO, it’s just another example/indicator of why the Chiefs have won multiple SBs, and why the Bills are perpetual one (or two) and done in the playoffs every year. After the late season problems that Martin had, MA should have been signed ASAP by the Bills. Beane let us down, again. Martin won Special Teams player of the month from the start of December to the end of the regular season in January. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 27 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: There was ZERO chance Bills were doing anything other than cutting him once the allegations were made. Remember the allegations? Having non consensual sex with a minor? Remember the Bills were consensus favorites to win the Super Bowl going into that year. There was again zero chance of keeping him on the roster and have the daily distractions stemming from having an accused rapist on the team. Was it fair? Of course not. Is it insane that he signed with our arch rival? Of course it is. But it’s the Bills. Another brick in the wall. im not talking about the organization. the court of public opinion was the problem, were u one of them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Beach said: im not talking about the organization. the court of public opinion was the problem, were u one of them? Again, you and others act as if it was just us who had the "pitchforks" out. Everyone, from sports media and non sports media alike to all the other fanbases in the league, were all saying and doing the same thing when it came to this story. You can sit on your high horse in hindsight and judge everyone around here. But it doesn't change how it played out here and would have played out elsewhere. As I said earlier, there isn't a team in the NFL that would have saved a 53 man roster spot for two straight seasons on a Punter who wasn't here and another spot for the Punter who would be here and dealt with questions about him the entire time. Sucks that we were the ones who Drafted him and had to cut him. Sucks KC ended up with him. But if it were any of the 31 other teams in the NFL that drafted him instead, including the Chiefs who signed him now, the exact same scenario would have played out for them. Edited February 22 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Not sure what you mean but I’m a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Again, you act as if it was just us who had the "pitchforks" out. Everyone, from sports media and non sports media alike to other fanbases, were all saying and doing the same thing when it came to this story. You can sit on your high horse in hindsight and judge everyone around here. But as I said earlier, there isn't a team in the NFL that would have saved a 53 man roster spot for two straight seasons on a Punter who wasn't here and another spot for the Punter who would be here and dealt with questions about him the entire time. Sucks that we were the ones who Drafted him and had to cut him. But if it were any of the 31 other teams in the NFL that drafted him instead, the exact same scenario would have played out for them. i didnt judge the accused without evidence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 They might win the Super Bowl now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Yes…but can he hold for FGs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 34 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Tried to do this from memory. If it was consensual, what theory was her attorney pushing? Was she drunk? In any event, a 22 year old having sex with a 17 year old isn’t a great look. I’ll repeat. No way the Bills were going to do anything other than cut him after the allegations came out. Good question. It was a dog of a case from the get-go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Lol, the Chefs are just blatantly rubbing it in our faces now, it's embarrassing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 hours ago, Breakout Squad said: And the rich get richer… Unreal. Dude is gonna punt the crap out of the ball and make everyone look dumb for not signing him sooner. exactly--this is the final, missing piece for those KC Super Bowl hopefuls!! lol, this thread is everything I hoped it would be....and more!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 19 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: You can sit on your high horse in hindsight and judge everyone around here. Thanks -- will do. A whole bunch of people on this forum fell for a fraud, and people like me were telling them that at the time. I'm sure that thread still exists somewhere. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 17 minutes ago, Beach said: i didnt judge the accused without evidence 1 minute ago, BillsFanSD said: Thanks -- will do. A whole bunch of people on this forum fell for a fraud, and people like me were telling them that at the time. I'm sure that thread still exists somewhere. I mean... good for both of you, I guess? Whether you were someone who did or didn't though - it doesn't change the fact that we couldn't use two roster spots on Punters for two years and deal with the media distraction all the while. Everyone on this board and fanbase could have said nothing at all, it wouldn't have mattered. The result would have been the same, any way you slice it, with any team that drafted him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 13 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said: Yes…but can he hold for FGs? Would love it if he messed up Butker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Best of luck to matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 It's going to be a long offseason paying attention to the chiefs moves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Yea I think Townsend wants the highest punting contract on the market. I think Araiza will start there. But he is a downgrade on Townsend. My issue with Araiza was always his hang time was a problem despite his leg. It’s not a downgrade when you consider the salary cap hit of Ariza vs Townsend. Maybe a 5% drop off in productivity for an 80% cap savings? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said: This is just another example of why the Chiefs are kicking everyone's rear including the Bills when he it comes to the salary cap. That team has at least 30 plus players making 2 million of less and for next season. The Chiefs have many guys making just above one million and this signing today will be another one. Terry Pegula needs to start asking questions on why Beane has so many bad contracts and are always having to rework deals. There are guys on this team that I would cut right now, Harty/Neal/Hines. Anyone who does not agree then I suggest to look up the Chiefs cap situation on over the cap Chiefs got rid of their $25+million WR. They got cap space and 5 draft picks to fill their roster. There is zero chance Bills fans would’ve said trade Diggs a couple years ago instead of extending him. Patriots and Chiefs are similar where they never broke the bank for offensive weapons for their all world QB. Only smart team friendly moves. Even Randy Moss was acquired by NE for cheap. Edited February 22 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 17 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I mean... good for both of you, I guess? Whether you were someone who did or didn't though - it doesn't change the fact that we couldn't use two roster spots on Punters for two years and deal with the media distraction all the while. Everyone on this board and fanbase could have said nothing at all, it wouldn't have mattered. The result would have been the same, any way you slice it, with any team that drafted him. People like you are the reason why there was a media distraction. Nobody was willing to apply the slightest amount of critical scrutiny to a story that was shady af from the very beginning. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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