HappyDays Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, FireChans said: Allen would’ve gotten the same benefit Mahomes did tonight, which is your golden boy Shanahan, the “best offensive mind” in the league, forgetting to run the ball in the Super Bowl, again. Reid is the best offensive mind in the NFL. Maybe with 20 more years of experience Shanahan could eclipse him. I have some level of grace for Shanahan in this game. Purdy is a very limited QB. He can't drive throws for the life of him and he can't make plays in messy pockets. His skillset just makes it so difficult to put the defense in conflict even with all of those skill players. Early in the game KC was shutting down the run and Purdy never gave them a reason to back off. There are spots where I can be critical of Shanahan's plan, but mostly I just see this as another case of him being let down by an underwhelming QB. He just can't get the position figured out. It's his curse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) Certain posters trying to make the point that Mahomes is on another level from Allen… Mahomes is more consistent in the regular season, which has put them in better spots in the postseason, so it does matter. However, man up in the Playoffs, both have a had a bad game against the Bengals. Both have had a high level games against others. Against each other.. you could easily make the argument Allen outplayed Mahomes the last two postseason H2H’s., but lost.. due to the team around him, the coaches around him. Mahomes is not on another level. Hes more consistent in the regular season and in the postseason, they are each others equals. Unfortunately for us, that’s where the postseason comparisons between the Bills & Chiefs end… as they clear us almost everywhere else, every time we match up when it matters. Edited February 12 by SCBills 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Applicable Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Reid is the best offensive mind in the NFL. Maybe with 20 more years of experience Shanahan could eclipse him. I have some level of grace for Shanahan in this game. Purdy is a very limited QB. He can't drive throws for the life of him and he can't make plays in messy pockets. His skillset just makes it so difficult to put the defense in conflict even with all of those skill players. Early in the game KC was shutting down the run and Purdy never gave them a reason to back off. There are spots where I can be critical of Shanahan's plan, but mostly I just see this as another case of him being let down by an underwhelming QB. He just can't get the position figured out. It's his curse. Purdy went like an hour without completing a meaningful pass. That really killed them, especially since the SF defense was playing so well during that juncture of the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, BBFL said: That can’t be real…? It is… I made sure because I, of course also thought, there’s no way… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, zow2 said: People around here have a tough time admitting it. Mahomes is the best. If people watch all the little things he does and does not do… including what you mentioned. He’s the absolute best. Allen is an excellent and fun football player to watch. He’s not the QB Mahomes is though. Their playoff numbers are both off the charts. The difference is Allen's defense has failed him when he put them in position to win Josh matches Mahomes greatness when they play. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 20 minutes ago, JMM said: CJ is a first ballot HOFER. But cmon, let's be realistic. I've been watching football for over 50 years, and NOBODY has done what this kid has done so far. Great coach? Yes. Great surrounding cast? Yes. But he's in the conversation as the GOAT now, 6 years in. That's crazy stuff Oh yea I’m not trying to take anything away from him…in the past he has absolutely carried the whole team on his back it’s not like he has anything to prove in that regard lol i just meant in this particular game I don’t think he played anywhere near as well as he’s getting credit for kind of miffs me when people talk about football like it’s qb vs qb with no regards for defensive players in general 😂. And the chiefs had a quite a few have excellent games tonight. If that was a good game from mahomes it never would’ve never been close. we’ll never know how the rest of the games would’ve gone but cj wiped two late wide open tds off the board in two different very close playoff games single handedly Edited February 12 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 8 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said: I saw another forum with this. Ouch! You got to hand it to Buffalo. Not only did we give the Chiefs the pick that got them Mahomes, the fact that we couldn't stop them with 13 seconds changed the OT rule which allowed them to win today. You can't make this stuff up You ought to frequent a better class of forum then. That’s baloney. Under the old OT rules, if the first team to possess scored a FG, the other team got the ball and a chance to score. The new overtime rule did not apply today. So indeed, that other forum you were on made this stuff up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Maybe WAYYYY too soon to ponder this but if the NFL goes the route of opening next season with a Thursday night game hosted by the defending champs, here are all of KC's home opponents next year. Safe pick for KC's Thursday night opener might be Baltimore but I'm thinking it might be the Chargers with Jim Harbaugh's first game as coach. Again, IF they go the usual route, I could see it happening. Baltimore Ravens Cincinnati Bengals Denver Broncos Houston Texans Las Vegas Raiders Los Angeles Chargers New Orleans Saints Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) Chiefs are like a Vampire, You have to stake them in the heart or they come back to life. The last 3 teams they beat (including us) didnt finish them when they had the chance and instead crumbled. Had we not had the injuries this season, I think we beat them in the playoffs. I guess its an accomplishment we came as close as we did with the scrubs we had filling in for the injuries. Mahomes, though is just on another level. He just gets it done when it matters. I think Josh is so close to taking the next step but he lacks the coaches and the team depth that KC has built up. Edited February 12 by Livinginthepast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, Talley56 said: Maybe WAYYYY too soon to ponder this but if the NFL goes the route of opening next season with a Thursday night game hosted by the defending champs, here are all of KC's home opponents next year. Safe pick for KC's Thursday night opener might be Baltimore but I'm thinking it might be the Chargers with Jim Harbaugh's first game as coach. Again, IF they go the usual route, I could see it happening. Baltimore Ravens Cincinnati Bengals Denver Broncos Houston Texans Las Vegas Raiders Los Angeles Chargers New Orleans Saints Tampa Bay Buccaneers Or the Ravens, in a re-run of the AFC Championship game (except the Chiefs are at home). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Purdy went like an hour without completing a meaningful pass. That really killed them, especially since the SF defense was playing so well during that juncture of the game. Any time he doesn't have a perfectly clean pocket the ball either falls short of its destination or sails way over the receiver's head. Only one time in this game where I can remember him making a sort of off platform throw that was completed. You just can't win in the modern NFL without that ability and with a below average arm. And the 49ers OL is below average from the LG down so the Chiefs got Purdy off his spot more than a dozen times. Every time they did, they won the play. Tough to run an offense under those conditions, although I agree Shanahan should have leaned on McCaffrey more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: Their playoff numbers are both off the charts. The difference is Allen's defense has failed him when he put them in position to win Josh matches Mahomes greatness when they play. There’s just little things each game that add up like accuracy, ball placement, pocket awareness… not huge differences but enough to give Mahomes all these SB’s. As i’ve said before i think Josh Allen is the best football player in the league. But Mahomes is the best QB and it’s indisputable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Had come to terms with McDermott being our HC next year. Tonight re-opened that emotional scar. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, zow2 said: There’s just little things each game that add up like accuracy, ball placement, pocket awareness… not huge differences but enough to give Mahomes all these SB’s. As i’ve said before i think Josh Allen is the best football player in the league. But Mahomes is the best QB and it’s indisputable. Mahomes did not lead the Chiefs to victory tonight. Their defense did. Something Josh cannot rely on come the post season. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: Certain posters trying to make the point that Mahomes is on another level from Allen… Mahomes is more consistent in the regular season, which has put them in better spots in the postseason, so it does matter. However, man up in the Playoffs, both have a had a bad game against the Bengals. Both have had a high level games against others. Against each other.. you could easily make the argument Allen outplayed Mahomes the last two postseason H2H’s., but lost.. due to the team around him, the coaches around him. Mahomes is not on another level. Hes more consistent in the regular season and in the postseason, they are each others equals. Unfortunately for us, that’s where the postseason comparisons between the Bills & Chiefs end… as they clear us almost everywhere else, every time we match up when it matters. Certain posters trying to make the point that Brady is on another level than Big Ben. You could argue Ben outplayed Brady a couple times when they’ve met head to head. Brady is just more consistent. - Stillers fans circa 2014 They don’t exist anymore though. Because the argument wasn’t real back then and it’s not real today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 15 minutes ago, OZBILLS said: Soooo, do we kick the Kadarius Toney tires? Is he in the tire? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 18 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said: I saw another forum with this. Ouch! You got to hand it to Buffalo. Not only did we give the Chiefs the pick that got them Mahomes, the fact that we couldn't stop them with 13 seconds changed the OT rule which allowed them to win today. You can't make this stuff up How did the new ot rule win them the game? lol sf didn’t score a td on that first drive and kc scored before time expired in ot1. Edited February 12 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: Certain posters trying to make the point that Brady is on another level than Big Ben. You could argue Ben outplayed Brady a couple times when they’ve met head to head. Brady is just more consistent. - Stillers fans circa 2014 They don’t exist anymore though. Because the argument wasn’t real back then and it’s not real today. Mahomes may be this generations Brady with Belichick/Reid comparisons also in play. However, comparing Allen to Big Ben is almost as disrespectful as those who tried comparing him to Cam earlier in his career. Most of us going at you, think Allen would be Mahomes on KC and Vice versa. Edited February 12 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 26 minutes ago, OZBILLS said: Soooo, do we kick the Kadarius Toney tires? He does have a shoe in with the Bills already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, Gunsgoodtime said: He does have a shoe in with the Bills already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 12 minutes ago, SCBills said: It is… I made sure because I, of course also thought, there’s no way… It's mocking the MAGAts who were whining about Taylor Swift and Kelce and suggesting the Chiefs were going to win because of some conspiracy between the NFL and Biden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 9 minutes ago, zow2 said: There’s just little things each game that add up like accuracy, ball placement, pocket awareness… not huge differences but enough to give Mahomes all these SB’s. As i’ve said before i think Josh Allen is the best football player in the league. But Mahomes is the best QB and it’s indisputable. Mahomes left a ton of meat on the bone in this one imo…missing reads, forcing throws under pressure, bailing the pocket way too early. Game would’ve been a blowout if he played as well in this one as your post is suggesting Edited February 12 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: Mahomes may be this generations Brady with Belichick/Reid comparisons also in play. However, comparing Allen to Big Ben is almost as disrespectful as those who tried comparing him to Cam earlier in his career. Most of us going at you, think Allen would be Mahomes on KC and Vice versa. Most of them will admit that Mahomes was the GOAT of the era in 20 years. They just don’t want to right now because it sucks for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Maybe it was me but I thought both offenses looked sloppy tonight. Play calling for both was questionable. At times I felt like I was watching a preseason game and not a Super Bowl. Both teams looked tired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 My take away from these playoffs and Super Bowl is that KC plays to win for the most part. The 49ers played not to lose when they had the lead, on offense and defense. That KC defense knew when to dial it up when they needed a stop. KCs offense played for the TD in OT. Watching them you knew they weren't playing for the tie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Any time he doesn't have a perfectly clean pocket the ball either falls short of its destination or sails way over the receiver's head. Only one time in this game where I can remember him making a sort of off platform throw that was completed. You just can't win in the modern NFL without that ability and with a below average arm. And the 49ers OL is below average from the LG down so the Chiefs got Purdy off his spot more than a dozen times. Every time they did, they won the play. Tough to run an offense under those conditions, although I agree Shanahan should have leaned on McCaffrey more. As statistically amazing as the season that Purdy had was in so many ways..........it's easy to envision Shanahan having a new QB in a couple years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Most of them will admit that Mahomes was the GOAT of the era in 20 years. They just don’t want to right now because it sucks for us. Ok, since none of your ilk answered me earlier. Mahomes on the Bills. We’re a dynasty, yes? 6 minutes ago, IronyAbounds said: It's mocking the MAGAts who were whining about Taylor Swift and Kelce and suggesting the Chiefs were going to win because of some conspiracy between the NFL and Biden. I know what his interns are doing. It’s absolutely wild to post that. Edited February 12 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Most of them will admit that Mahomes was the GOAT of the era in 20 years. They just don’t want to right now because it sucks for us. If you could go back would you take Mahomes in the draft in 2017 and accept Josh going elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calidiehard Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 25 minutes ago, zow2 said: People around here have a tough time admitting it. Mahomes is the best. If people watch all the little things he does and does not do… including what you mentioned. He’s the absolute best. Allen is an excellent and fun football player to watch. He’s not the QB Mahomes is though. What did Mahomes do that made him the best? He played ok tonight. Threw a pick and had 1 touchdown gifted on a special teams blunder by the 49ers, and another easy pass on a wide open 3yrd play. He took sacks, made terrible throw aways, had 2 intentional grounding ( only 1 called). His defense and special teams carried his team tonight. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, Calidiehard said: What did Mahomes do that made him the best? He played ok tonight. Threw a pick and had 1 touchdown gifted on a special teams blunder by the 49ers, and another easy pass on a wide open 3yrd play. He took sacks, made terrible throw aways, had 2 intentional grounding ( only 1 called). His defense and special teams carried his team tonight. When I game was on the line and they needed a TD to win, he did was great QBs do. Drove them down the field to win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: If you could go back would you take Mahomes in the draft in 2017 and accept Josh going elsewhere? That’s letting him off the hook. If Mahomes is who he says he is… because he clearly believe he’s the GOAT while downplaying the situation he was drafted to.. (which is my issue with his posts) Clearly the Bills would be a dynasty if we took Mahomes, correct? I want him to answer that. Because I believe Josh would be leading a dynasty in KC rn. Does he believe the same about Mahomes in Buffalo? Edited February 12 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Mahomes was incredibly meh tonight. His only TD in regulation was a gift given to him at the 11 yard line due to a special teams blunder. He had an ugly pick, and plenty of negative plays. He had like 2 passes further than 10 yards the entire game that were impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: If you could go back would you take Mahomes in the draft in 2017 and accept Josh going elsewhere? I don’t know if Mahomes turns the program around to the level Josh has. The difference of what Josh was asked to do I don’t know if Pat would have survived. I think we would end up with a Justin Herbert situation… Quality starter but never pushing the needle for the franchise. The situation you found was a guy who could sit and learn an offense system without being put into the spotlight and relied heavily upon from the get-go. Josh did. I mean he was sitting behind Saint Peterman for crying out loud and had to become the do it all with no adequate talent at the skill positions or run game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 8 minutes ago, major said: Maybe it was me but I thought both offenses looked sloppy tonight. Play calling for both was questionable. At times I felt like I was watching a preseason game and not a Super Bowl. Both teams looked tired I'm sure they were. It was KC's 21st game of the season and the 20th game of the season for the Niners. It's such a long and grinding season and I think it shows by the time you get this far. I was cracking up at all of the posts I was reading on Twitter where people were saying how the Bills would've beat both teams. It's not like the Bills would have miraculously looked fresh as a daisy themselves if they made it this far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, Calidiehard said: What did Mahomes do that made him the best? He played ok tonight. Threw a pick and had 1 touchdown gifted on a special teams blunder by the 49ers, and another easy pass on a wide open 3yrd play. He took sacks, made terrible throw aways, had 2 intentional grounding ( only 1 called). His defense and special teams carried his team tonight. He threw the game winning TD in OT and had 2 drive extending runs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 8 minutes ago, SCBills said: I know what his interns are doing. It’s absolutely wild to post that. I think it's hilarious. The only good thing about the Chiefs winning is that it pisses of the MAGAts. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, Governor said: He threw the game winning TD in OT and had 2 drive extending runs. And he only scored a regulation time TD because the ball clipped a Niners foot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, IronyAbounds said: I think it's hilarious. The only good thing about the Chiefs winning is that it pisses of the MAGAts. Grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 The thing about comparing players midstream is that it's fun but you never know what happens. What if Allen and the Bills hit on some young playmakers this off-season, beat KC next playoffs and go on to win 3 Super Bowls in a row? Or our own 3 wins in 5 years? We've had a lot of bad luck but that will even out. Maybe not with multiple SB wins but you never know. Let's say Allen gets to 3 in 5 years but wins all 3, beating KC each year to get there. Conversation changes then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 11 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: If you could go back would you take Mahomes in the draft in 2017 and accept Josh going elsewhere? 100%. If I could go back to 2000, I’d draft Brady too. Everyone will agree on this in 20 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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