SCBills Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 IF the Bills are able to maneuver around his cap hit and someone offers a Second Round Pick. Do you take it? Where there's a will, there's a way and I think it's a no-brainer to trade him at this point if not for the dead cap. I was on his side over the summer, but he's just negative energy at this point. Weird vibes and doesn't back it up on the field. Gets shut down, again, by Kansas City. Fumbles on the first play. Drops a 65 yard bomb in the 4th Quarter from Allen and makes a gesture intimating that it was on Allen. I'm over it. I'd rather give Allen a couple Day 1/Day 2 Wide Receivers to go with Kincaid, Knox, Shakir and Cook at this point. The dead cap hit might make this completely impossible, but if the Bills can get creative, I think we're better off. The relationship just seems like it's run it's course. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 What’s even the point of discussing things that have no chance of happening? 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, SCBills said: IF the Bills are able to maneuver around his cap hit and someone offers a Second Round Pick. Do you take it? Where there's a will, there's a way and I think it's a no-brainer to trade him at this point if not for the dead cap. I was on his side over the summer, but he's just negative energy at this point. Weird vibes and doesn't back it up on the field. Gets shut down, again, by Kansas City. Fumbles on the first play. Drops a 65 yard bomb in the 4th Quarter from Allen and makes a gesture intimating that it was on Allen. I'm over it. I'd rather give Allen a couple Day 1/Day 2 Wide Receivers to go with Kincaid, Knox, Shakir and Cook at this point. The dead cap hit might make this completely impossible, but if the Bills can get creative, I think we're better off. The relationship just seems like it's run it's course. Honestly no one is taking Diggs at a 25 million dollar cap hit that’s Devante Adams territory and he is not Devante if you did get rid of Diggs you go into the offseason needing to replace your number 1 Diggs 2 Davis and 4 Sherfield. I think he is washed myself but need to get another receiver Josh can develop chemistry with before getting rid of the guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: What’s even the point of discussing things that have no chance of happening? There's a chance. I didn't believe it would be on the table prior to this post-season, but I think this off-season might shock some people. The Bills can clear cap, and maybe it's not to re-sign guys.. maybe it's to reload through the draft and get younger. Edited January 22 by SCBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: What’s even the point of discussing things that have no chance of happening? How do you figure? The cap is bs. Saints again are 100 mill over and not only will be under, again!, but draft amd sign a couple FA-s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Yes all day.. I’m ready to cut this cancer out and take the 30 million hit just to get ass outta the locker room. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 If they were to trade Diggs after June 1st, it would save them $19 million on the 2024 salary cap. Of course, that also means that if the trade were for a draft pick, it would have to be for 2025, and would also push a portion of the dead cap into 2025. I'm not saying they should do it, just that it's not impossible. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Didn't read it......DO IT!!!!!! Just now, BIGFOOTspaceman said: Didn't read it......DO IT!!!!!! lol...ok I just read it....we are NOT getting a second for an over the hill, underproducing, can't catch a ball, fumbling on the first play of the game diva. I'd be happy with a 4th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 In a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) Got to love how Diggs has been a great teammate all season but because his production has been down from what seems likely a persisting injury it's LOCKER ROOM CANCER! everywhere. Edited January 22 by Warcodered 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Diggs needs to be gone and wants to be gone but I don’t know how they get it done without the Bills taking the hit. If the Bills can get a 2nd for him without going too far into the whole I say take it. Heck, I will give him up for a 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) At this point Diggs is Hopkins last year. No one is trading for his contract. This one could get interesting. Cut? Edited January 22 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Warcodered said: Got to love how Diggs has been a great teammate all season but because his production has been down from what seems likely a persisting injury it's LOCKER ROOM CANCER! everywhere. He’s been a great teammate all season? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Got to love how Diggs has been a great teammate all season but because his production has been down from seems likely a persisting injury it's LOCKER ROOM CANCER! everywhere. The one thing I will say is just 1 year ago Diggs had absolutely no problem throwing Josh under the bus. Now that the shoe is on the other foot you don’t see Allen saying boy Steph really sucked today. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I just posted this in the other Diggs thread but it works here: If Diggs can find a way to be reasonably productive this year without causing a scene, the Bills should hold off on moving on and keep the $3M cost savings by keeping him here. Some interesting numbers in relation to Diggs cap. For reference red is bad. But his contract is absolutely workable this offseason if all parties NEED to walk away from each other. People freak out over the $31M as if it is in addition to. The post June 2024 number is interesting, and I think it could make Stef a post June trade candidate this year. 2024 Pre June: -$3M (+$22M in 2025) 2024 Post June: $19M (-$22M in 2025) 2025 Pre June: $5M ($28M in 2026) 2025 Post June: $18.5M (-13M in 2026) There is zero place where discussing restructuring Diggs makes any sense. It should be removed from every single discussion of the Bills cap space from here on out. It didn't make sense 3 months ago and it makes much less sense today. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Would love to get a 2nd. He should’ve stepped up and took over that game. But he didn’t. I don’t want anymore disgruntled player castoffs from other teams anymore. Apparently they eventually lose their shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 If Tomlin is on the outs maybe Mike can do a William & Mary brother a favor and consider a trade for TJ Watt or George Pickens 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) Trading Diggs prior to 6/1 would increase his cap hit from $27.9M to $31.1M. We are at a point where it is possible to do this - albeit very painful and unlikely. I do not see another team trading a second round pick (especially in this draft which is loaded with WR talent) and paying Diggs $18.8M for the season. Not when Diggs turns 31 in November. I think we are stuck with him one more season and then he gets designated a 6/1 cut the following offseason. But to the OP’s question - hell, yes, I’d move him for a 2 and take the cap hit. Edited January 22 by BarleyNY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Nobody is trading for diggs at that contract and Bills would have to take the full $31m dead cap this year. Only choices are keeping him or cut him and spread his dead money over 2024 and 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 17 minutes ago, SCBills said: IF the Bills are able to maneuver around his cap hit and someone offers a Second Round Pick. Do you take it? Where there's a will, there's a way and I think it's a no-brainer to trade him at this point if not for the dead cap. I was on his side over the summer, but he's just negative energy at this point. Weird vibes and doesn't back it up on the field. Gets shut down, again, by Kansas City. Fumbles on the first play. Drops a 65 yard bomb in the 4th Quarter from Allen and makes a gesture intimating that it was on Allen. I'm over it. I'd rather give Allen a couple Day 1/Day 2 Wide Receivers to go with Kincaid, Knox, Shakir and Cook at this point. The dead cap hit might make this completely impossible, but if the Bills can get creative, I think we're better off. The relationship just seems like it's run it's course. Fvck no. What the hell is a 2nd round pick going to do for us? Take on 31 million in dead cap for a 2nd? You must have lost your mind. Edited January 22 by Big Turk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 20 minutes ago, SCBills said: IF the Bills are able to maneuver around his cap hit and someone offers a Second Round Pick. Do you take it? Where there's a will, there's a way and I think it's a no-brainer to trade him at this point if not for the dead cap. I was on his side over the summer, but he's just negative energy at this point. Weird vibes and doesn't back it up on the field. Gets shut down, again, by Kansas City. Fumbles on the first play. Drops a 65 yard bomb in the 4th Quarter from Allen and makes a gesture intimating that it was on Allen. I'm over it. I'd rather give Allen a couple Day 1/Day 2 Wide Receivers to go with Kincaid, Knox, Shakir and Cook at this point. The dead cap hit might make this completely impossible, but if the Bills can get creative, I think we're better off. The relationship just seems like it's run it's course. I'm not opposed to this strategy if you could find someone willing to give us a 2nd and take his contract. Gabe was a fail. Stef is definitely not the same guy as he once was. We need to get more young promising wrs. As much as I love what Diggs meant to this team, his time is ending soon. Edited January 22 by LABILLBACKER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, BarleyNY said: Trading Diggs prior to 6/1 would increase his cap hit from $27.9M to $31.1M. We are at a point where it is possible to do this - albeit very painful and unlikely. I do not see another team trading a second round pick (especially in this draft which is loaded with WR talent) and paying Diggs $18.8M for the season. Not when Diggs turns 31 in November. I think we are stuck with him one more season and then he gets designated a 6/1 cut the following offseason. But to the OP’s question - hell, yes, I’d move him for a 2 and take the cap hit. I think the one thing that makes Diggs an OK trade candidate is that they can risk his cost for the season. But I believe the receiving team can move on from Diggs without any real cap ramification because all that is left is his base salary, roster bonus, etc. Buffalo eats the rest. A team like Houston or Indy could take this risk to help out a rookie QB. If it doesn't work out they move on the following offseason for basically nothing. If he does work out he is certainly worth his cap hit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Fvck no. What the hell is a 2nd round pick going to do for us? Take on 31 million in dead cap for a 2nd? You must have lost your mind. Bills Top 5 OL comes back next year. James Cook year 3. Kincaid Year 2. Shakir Year 3. There's your trio to rely on heading into next season. I'm more than willing go heavy WR early in this draft. I'd literally pull a Rousseau/Boogie and hope they actually get it right with the WR's. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 If the Bills move on from Diggs they can realistically sign a top WR in the offseason and back load the contract to have small cap hits early. Tee Higgins anyone? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Team has to take one step back to take the next two forward. That step back involves getting younger and dumping some vets like Diggs even if they get a cap hit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Fvck no. What the hell is a 2nd round pick going to do for us? Take on 31 million in dead cap for a 2nd? You must have lost your mind. Just to be clear, the Bills already have that $31M in dead cap on their books and it must be accounted for. It’s just spread out right now. Trading Diggs would accelerate the pro rated portion into the current year - or the following year if it is after 6/1. Keeping Diggs adds to his overall cap impact because we pay him more in salary, etc. This is always the risk when you kick the cap hit can down the road to this extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) Diggs is tough to figure out. He played really well in the first half of the season. When Brady took over, his production dropped, but I don't think it's because he lost a step mid-season, it was simply because Brady was (wisely) spreading the ball around to other weapons such as Shakir, Kincaid, Cook, and even Ty Johnson. If teams were going to double-team Diggs, that means someone else has single coverage and/or is open. That said, he's made some key drops. That dropped bomb from Allen yesterday could have changed the complexion of the game if he had caught it. An NFL WR of his level HAS to make that catch. The Chiefs' WRs, ridiculed for drops all season long, made all of the tough catches yesterday. Shakir and Kincaid also made a bunch. So is his decline because he lost a step, or is it because the offense is not running through him anymore? And if it's because the offense isn't running through him anymore, is he dropping the ball because he's just out of rhythm or is it because he feels "disrespected" and his head/heart are no longer in it? I hate to question the guy, because he's always been a competitor who plays hard and wants to win, but he's also shown to be a bit of a head case. I'm curious to know what others on the board think. And I'm really just looking for insight into his play and not taking the contractual situation into account. Edited January 22 by msw2112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, BarleyNY said: Just to be clear, the Bills already have that $31M in dead cap on their books and it must be accounted for. It’s just spread out right now. Trading Diggs would accelerate the pro rated portion into the current year - or the following year if it is after 6/1. Keeping Diggs adds to his overall cap impact because we pay him more in salary, etc. This is always the risk when you kick the cap hit can down the road to this extent. He will put up another 1000 yard+ season next year here. Who do you plan on replacing him with? Signing Mike Evans to a $25 million dollar a year contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, msw2112 said: Diggs is tough to figure out. He played really well in the first half of the season. When Brady took over, his production dropped, but I don't think it's because he lost a step mid-season, it was simply because Brady was (wisely) spreading the ball around to other weapons such as Shakir, Kincaid, Cook, and even Ty Johnson. If teams were going to double-team Diggs, that means someone else has single coverage and/or is open. That said, he's made some key drops. That dropped bomb from Allen yesterday could have changed the complexion of the game if he had caught it. An NFL WR of his level HAS to make that catch. The Chiefs' WRs, ridiculed for drops all season long, made all of the tough catches yesterday. Shakir and Kincaid also made a bunch. So is his decline because he lost a step, or is it because the offense is not running through him anymore? And if it's because the offense isn't running through him anymore, is he dropping the ball because he's just out of rhythm or is it because he feels "disrespected" and his head/heart are no longer in it? I hate to question the guy, because he's always been a competitor who plays hard and wants to win, but he's also shown to be a bit of a head case. I'm curious to know what others on the board think. And I'm really just looking for insight into his play and not taking the contractual situation into account. I still think he has WR1 ability in him, but I think it's run it's course here. I do think he and Allen have some sort of friction for whatever reason. And I do think he's out of rhythm from not being the focal point. I don't think he has Top 5 WR ability any longer though. Unless it's revealed he's had a major injury, the last half of the season and the playoffs are just not on that level... not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 21 minutes ago, SCBills said: There's a chance. I didn't believe it would be on the table prior to this post-season, but I think this off-season might shock some people. The Bills can clear cap, and maybe it's not to re-sign guys.. maybe it's to reload through the draft and get younger. This. All day long. To beat KC we have to get contributions from younger, cheaper talent, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. Many are down on this season because we didn’t win the whole thing. The outcome hurts, but we’re in good shape moving forward. We need to refresh the receiver room, but the offense on the whole is well-positioned for the future. We discovered this year that we have a burgeoning star in Kincaid, and a stud slot receiver in the making in Shakir. Cook arguably is a star. On the other side of the ball, LB is set. Corner is set. We’re going to get younger in at least one safety position. Oliver is a stud. There’s some work to do on the defensive side of the ball, and the Miller contract hurts. But all things considered we’re in good shape. White, Hyde, Davis, maybe Siran Neal, and maybe Morse are goners. But that’s OK. The pieces are there, and we are going to be back next year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, Mango said: I think the one thing that makes Diggs an OK trade candidate is that they can risk his cost for the season. But I believe the receiving team can move on from Diggs without any real cap ramification because all that is left is his base salary, roster bonus, etc. Buffalo eats the rest. A team like Houston or Indy could take this risk to help out a rookie QB. If it doesn't work out they move on the following offseason for basically nothing. If he does work out he is certainly worth his cap hit. I think that the Bills best option would be to trade him post 6/1. Let draft and FA play out and teams get their rosters set. Then wait for the eventual catastrophic injury to a stud WR on a contender. Then you might get a second out of them. Notably Diggs’ salary becomes guaranteed at the start of the league year but he doesn’t have a roster bonus. The team trading for him could do a restructure to fit him under their cap. One snafu is if the Bills restructure his contract early in the off-season to macerate cap space. His trade value would increase, but we’d be on the hook for his salary and associated cap hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Fvck no. What the hell is a 2nd round pick going to do for us? Take on 31 million in dead cap for a 2nd? You must have lost your mind. The delta in keeping Diggs vs cutting/trading Diggs is $3M. That is an important distinction to make. 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: He will put up another 1000 yard+ season next year here. Who do you plan on replacing him with? Signing Mike Evans to a $25 million dollar a year contract? I generally agree here. When you cut a guy, you have to replace him. But Diggs has had the ability to be a distraction. I wouldn't be quick to pull the trigger on this one. But I also don't fall into the "fork no" category either. Both seem to have some cost and some benefit. It all depends on what kind of Stef we get back next year? Do we get this seasons teammate that was a good soldier. Or do we get the Bengals/OTA Stef. If it is the ladder you pull the trigger. If it is the former you ride this out another year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: He will put up another 1000 yard+ season next year here. Who do you plan on replacing him with? Signing Mike Evans to a $25 million dollar a year contract? KIncaid is going to be a superstar. Shakir has all the making of a top tier Slot WR with inside/outside flex. Should have had 2 TD's yesterday along with making multiple tough catches. Why do we need to sign big name WR's? This draft is loaded. Diggs would be perfect for teams with cap space and/or Dallas if they want to fulfill that fantasy. RD1/RD2 give Allen a couple WR's like Green Bay has while knowing we bring back a very good OL with a trio of Kincaid, Shakir and Cook. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, msw2112 said: Diggs is tough to figure out. He played really well in the first half of the season. When Brady took over, his production dropped, but I don't think it's because he lost a step mid-season, it was simply because Brady was (wisely) spreading the ball around to other weapons such as Shakir, Kincaid, Cook, and even Ty Johnson. If teams were going to double-team Diggs, that means someone else has single coverage and/or is open. That said, he's made some key drops. That dropped bomb from Allen yesterday could have changed the complexion of the game if he had caught it. An NFL WR of his level HAS to make that catch. The Chiefs' WRs, ridiculed for drops all season long, made all of the tough catches yesterday. Shakir and Kincaid also made a bunch. So is his decline because he lost a step, or is it because the offense is not running through him anymore? And if it's because the offense isn't running through him anymore, is he dropping the ball because he's just out of rhythm or is it because he feels "disrespected" and his head/heart are no longer in it? I hate to question the guy, because he's always been a competitor who plays hard and wants to win, but he's also shown to be a bit of a head case. I'm curious to know what others on the board think. And I'm really just looking for insight into his play and not taking the contractual situation into account. There could be some undisclosed injury he’s dealing with that’s been nagging him. Not enough for him to get put on the injury report but enough lookto affect his play at least mentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 If the player isn't producing & is or could be causing some friction in the locker room Beane ain't scared to get rid of them & take the hit for a year and get younger players that he feels can help if just by the motivation to prove them selves . I don't know what is up with Diggs but what ever it is it's not like it was the guy couldn't catch a cold in a phone booth kind of makes me wonder if he in some ways played bad because he was pouting about something that didn't go his way . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 24 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Got to love how Diggs has been a great teammate all season but because his production has been down from what seems likely a persisting injury it's LOCKER ROOM CANCER! everywhere. I dont think he's a cancer, but my eyes tell me that he's struggling to catch the football, and important skill in the year 2024 for NFL wide receivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, BarleyNY said: I think that the Bills best option would be to trade him post 6/1. Let draft and FA play out and teams get their rosters set. Then wait for the eventual catastrophic injury to a stud WR on a contender. Then you might get a second out of them. Notably Diggs’ salary becomes guaranteed at the start of the league year but he doesn’t have a roster bonus. The team trading for him could do a restructure to fit him under their cap. One snafu is if the Bills restructure his contract early in the off-season to macerate cap space. His trade value would increase, but we’d be on the hook for his salary and associated cap hit. I don't think his cap hit is prohibitive in a trade. In that scenario Diggs $18M-ish next year puts him at 15th overall between Ceedee Lamb and Justin Jefferson with the freedom to walk away. I think that would be good value for a team with a young QB and a lot of cap space. If this team wants to move on from Diggs I think they can and even get 'some' return on it if they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: KIncaid is going to be a superstar. Shakir has all the making of a top tier Slot WR with inside/outside flex. Should have had 2 TD's yesterday along with making multiple tough catches. Why do we need to sign big name WR's? This draft is loaded. Diggs would be perfect for teams with cap space and/or Dallas if they want to fulfill that fantasy. RD1/RD2 give Allen a couple WR's like Green Bay has while knowing we bring back a very good OL with a trio of Kincaid, Shakir and Cook. This is why I’m not morbid about the loss yesterday. It hurts, and it’s one less year to win the Super Bowl. But from where we were at 6-6 to the long-term outlook, I feel great. I really do. We gotta re-load on D. But this year we discovered the second generation, if you will, to work with Allen in Kincaid, Shakir, and Cook. Look at the Ravens and Lamar Jackson. They may well win the whole thing this year. Sometimes it takes awhile. And it has for us. But we are gonna have a look at this for a long time coming, and those changes will only improve once we shed the Miller and Diggs contracts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, dorquemada said: I dont think he's a cancer, but my eyes tell me that he's struggling to catch the football, and important skill in the year 2024 for NFL wide receivers The "this close" hand gesture to Allen on that bomb was such a clown move. That's a "pat your chest , my bad" gesture. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, SCBills said: The "this close" hand gesture to Allen on that bomb was such a clown move. That's a "pat your chest , my bad" gesture. Totally agree. Clown move is the best way to put it. He was right about Allen having to knuckle down last year. And now he has to look in the mirror and figure out what it is that isn’t working on his own side of things. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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