Who lost the game for us ?

[Teddy KGB]

Poll 

[Jauronimo]

Add Cook and Davis to the poll. Officials calling zero PIs on 51 pass attempts when Slay was mugging people was another contributing factor. 

 

Feels like I should state the obvious that there was no single play that lost the football game but rather a confluence of mistakes and missed opportunities but I don't want to interfere with your lynching. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Honorable mention to Shawn Hochuli for the utterly ridiculous IG call that took 7 points off the board for us. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Feels like I should state the obvious that there was no single play that lost the football game but rather a confluence of mistakes and missed opportunities but I don't want to interfere with your lynching. 

 

Exactly. And exactly why I voted for McClappy. He's the only one who has influence on the entire game.

 

A single play by a single player is never the sole factor.

[HOUSE]

Gabe Davis 

[SCBills]

McDermott owns it because he’s the HC and he always manages to lose these games with his decision making and his defense unable to get a stop.  
 

That being said..  We had the game won if Gabe Davis adjusts his route as he should have based on the look the defense gave us.   Allen threw a game winning TD pass to where Gabe should have been.  
 

I voted Tyler Bass though.   The entire game changed when he missed that FG.   We had just got a stop on defense out of half.   Philly looked miserable.  Their fans were miserable.   Go up 20-7, in miserable weather, and they’re getting pretty close to “on to San Fran” mode.  
 

Instead, he missed it.  Gave them life.  Gave them good field position.  Defense immediately gives up an explosive run.  
 

Game on.  

[mrags]

I voted for McClappy but can I request you edit his name to McDonald’s-Clappy-Meal?

[Bermuda Triangle]

McDermott, DBs, Bass, officiating are all worthy candidates.  At the end of the day, this is McDermott's team and defense.

[PBF81]

12 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

Gabe Davis 

 

He's a regular.  It's always his fault.  

 

The lowest paid starting player.  He's the one.  LOL 

 

Anyway, that's a given.  

 

 

[Bruffalo]

The HC and his massively praised defense got not one, but two opportunities to stop the Eagles and win the game, and they failed spectacularly. 

 

He even had the gall to kneel down and not even give Allen the chance to win it in regulation.  

 

Blaming anything else is just projection.

[MJS]

Hate to say it, but Allen's bad INT really contributed. He played great for 99% of the game, and the one mistake he made was a back breaker.

 

Besides that, officiating was really bad. Bass missing kicks. McDermott not being able to adjust well to the Eagles adjustments. And Gabe Davis not looking for the ball in an obvious situation where he should have been looking for the ball.

 

And every time Sherfield came in for Diggs, it was a disaster. What was up with Diggs? Why did he need to leave the field so much?

[DrDawkinstein]

13 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

He's a regular.  It's always his fault.  

 

The lowest paid starting player.  He's the one.  LOL 

 

Anyway, that's a given.  

 

 

 

The same guy who caught the go-ahead TD with 1:50 left and just needed his "Defensive Guru" DC/HC to get a stop with less than 2 minutes left.

14 minutes ago, MJS said:

What was up with Diggs? Why did he need to leave the field so much?

 

I think this was just a case of broadcast bias.

 

According to @HappyDays, Diggs played 87 of 95 snaps yesterday.

[PBF81]

25 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

McDermott, DBs, Bass, officiating are all worthy candidates.  At the end of the day, this is McDermott's team and defense.

 

Difficult to argue. 

 

When the D gives up 136 yards and 17 poitns in the last 17 minutes to send the game into OT, then allows another 75 yards on 9 plays on a single drive in OT, it can't be anything else.  

 

Lotsa fingers being pointed at Gabe, again, the lowest paid starting player on the team, but how about Allen's horrible decision to throw into double-coverage short to Diggs to set up that TD that gave the Eagles the lead and all the momentum that they needed to win the game.  Allen had a great game, but that single play was as equally to blame if not more so than any other.  Gabe's missed route wouldn't have even mattered had Allen not made that ill-advised throw, again, into obviously double-coverage.  Why?  Probably forcing Diggs. 

 

Meanwhile, Diggs had only one 3rd-down catch for a 1st-down.  

 

Tough to blame individual players, particularly Allen or even in this case Davis who led the team in receiving with 6 catches for 105 yards and 1 TD, but he's the forum's whipping boy so that's just the way that is.  I guess that he got a 19-yard pass on 3rd-and-9 to set up Allen's run for our first TD on the next play wasn't very good.  Or his beautiful route late in the 4th to put us up again on 3rd-and-4 for his TD.  Then keeping our OT drive alive with a 13-yard catch on 3rd-and-9.  Had he not done that, all that the Eagles would have needed was a FG.  Irrelevant apparently.  

 

It's amazing the beating that a cheap player, again, the least paid of any regular starting player, takes.  

 

If we could get in terms of value from all of our players, particularly our money-men, the value that we get from a 4-year $4M player, prior to any accelerators/incentives, we'd be world-class and there would be zero debate about how good a job Beane has done.  

 

No, Davis isn't worth $15M, but at what he costs, he's a bargain and then some.  

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by PBF81

[BuffaloBillyG]

FACTS:

Bass missed FGs

Josh threw a bad INT

Cook dropped a possible TD

Davis and Allen had the miscommunication

Refs were ATROCIOUS.

 

ALSO FACT:

Even after all that, Josh Allen and the offense left the field TWICE in the final 2 minutes and OT with the lead. And our DEFENSIVE minded HC could not scheme up a stop. 

 

This was like a low budget sequel to 13 Seconds. Call it "20 Seconds: Electric Boogaloo".

 

 

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

According to @HappyDays, Diggs played 87 of 95 snaps yesterday.

Ok, good to know. They certainly pointed it out a lot.

[PBF81]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

The same guy who caught the go-ahead TD with 1:50 left and just needed his "Defensive Guru" DC/HC to get a stop with less than 2 minutes left.

 

Yep, that's the one.  And more.  I just mentioned that above.  

 

 

[Warcodered]

So like a reverse game ball thread interesting.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

Ok, good to know. They certainly pointed it out a lot.

 

Yeah, Nantz just happened to catch the few plays Diggs needed a breather, and a couple of them happened to be 3rd downs.

 

Looking desperately for something to talk about.

[dorquemada]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

So like a reverse game ball thread interesting.

 

Let's institute a demerit system

 

Bass gets 3 demerits for yesterday

[HomeskillitMoorman]

McScapegoat

[FireChans]

26 minutes ago, MJS said:

Hate to say it, but Allen's bad INT really contributed. He played great for 99% of the game, and the one mistake he made was a back breaker.

 

Besides that, officiating was really bad. Bass missing kicks. McDermott not being able to adjust well to the Eagles adjustments. And Gabe Davis not looking for the ball in an obvious situation where he should have been looking for the ball.

 

And every time Sherfield came in for Diggs, it was a disaster. What was up with Diggs? Why did he need to leave the field so much?

Statistically this play was probably the biggest negative impact on the game, besides the TD that won it lol

[Warcodered]

It's the refs, McDermott as a decision maker as well as the DC/leader of that defense, and missed execution on a few specific play on offense. It's all 3 of these things because if any one of them had been different we would have won. An evenly officiated game we win, a defense that isn't absent after the first half, seriously Eagles score 5/7 drives after the first half, gets us the win, and we get points on some of those plays we should have and or obviously get the TD in OT we win.

 

It's extremely frustrating that there so many things that if they had been different we'd have won but it is what it is.

[Dillenger4]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

FACTS:

Bass missed FGs

Josh threw a bad INT

Cook dropped a possible TD

Davis and Allen had the miscommunication

Refs were ATROCIOUS.

 

ALSO FACT:

Even after all that, Josh Allen and the offense left the field TWICE in the final 2 minutes and OT with the lead. And our DEFENSIVE minded HC could not scheme up a stop. 

 

This was like a low budget sequel to 13 Seconds. Call it "20 Seconds: Electric Boogaloo".

 

 

Even more important FACT:

 

Our D gave the ball to our "seriously good" Offense numerous times in the game, three 3-and-out in the first half for the Eagles! Our O came away with 3 points after those 3-and-outs by the Eagles. Gimme a frickin break with you tools today. Wow. The team played amazing against a 9-1 NFL leading team. Lot's to blame or maybe just enjoy it! Losing frickin sucks but my buddah... fire this...fire that.... That was the toughest game on our sked. We are in trouble but that has no merit on what happened last night. maybe if we had better players overall....

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Let's institute a demerit system

 

Bass gets 3 demerits for yesterday

 

Three demerits, and you'll receive a citation.

Five citations, and you're looking at a violation.

Four of those and you'll receive a verbal warning.

Keep it up and you're looking a written warning.

Two of those, that'll land in a world of hurt, in the form of a disciplinary review written up by me and placed on the desk of my superior.

Write it up by the end of the day or you'll receive a full disadulation.

 

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Let's institute a demerit system

 

Bass gets 3 demerits for yesterday

Bass is getting a lot of extra ***** because we let some ####### block one of his kicks, he wouldn't have looked near as bad if that hadn't happened.

[frostbitmic]

McDermott and his extremely soft late game prevent defense ... No pressure on the QB and receivers wide open, great defense, it's like deja vu over and over again with this guy.

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Add Cook and Davis to the poll. Officials calling zero PIs on 51 pass attempts when Slay was mugging people was another contributing factor. 

 

Feels like I should state the obvious that there was no single play that lost the football game but rather a confluence of mistakes and missed opportunities but I don't want to interfere with your lynching. 

thank you sir, one knows to not interfere with a nice lynching 

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

Even more important FACT:

 

Our D gave the ball to our "seriously good" Offense numerous times in the game, three 3-and-out in the first half for the Eagles! Our O came away with 3 points after those 3-and-outs by the Eagles. Gimme a frickin break with you tools today. Wow. The team played amazing against a 9-1 NFL leading team. Lot's to blame or maybe just enjoy it! Losing frickin sucks but my buddah... fire this...fire that.... That was the toughest game on our sked. We are in trouble but that has no merit on what happened last night. maybe if we had better players overall....

Oh no amazing point. So much fun seeing things like last night. And the Hail Murray. And 13 seconds. And the collapse at home against Minnesota last year. And the meltdown playoff game against the Bengals last year. And the dumb ending with the Broncos this year. And....should I keep going or are you having too much fun???

 

We have soooo many fun and exciting "moral victory" banners from the McDermott era. So so many.

 

See, it's not all about what last night was. It's the cumulative failings of this team going all the way back...even before the loss to Urban Meyer...no even further back then that. It's ingrained in this team now to fall short. That's the defining theme of McDermott's whole tenure here. 

[Teddy KGB]

58 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Exactly. And exactly why I voted for McClappy. He's the only one who has influence on the entire game.

 

A single play by a single player is never the sole factor.

Hyde play was pretty bad.    Olamide Zaccheus 👀👀

[Dillenger4]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Oh no amazing point. So much fun seeing things like last night. And the Hail Murray. And 13 seconds. And the collapse at home against Minnesota last year. And the meltdown playoff game against the Bengals last year. And the dumb ending with the Broncos this year. And....should I keep going or are you having too much fun???

 

We have soooo many fun and exciting "moral victory" banners from the McDermott era. So so many.

 

See, it's not all about what last night was. It's the cumulative failings of this team going all the way back...even before the loss to Urban Meyer...no even further back then that. It's ingrained in this team now to fall short. That's the defining theme of McDermott's whole tenure here. 

I get your point. Or.. it's called the NFL. And our team just isn't that good. There, now you know.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

46 minutes ago, MJS said:

Hate to say it, but Allen's bad INT really contributed. He played great for 99% of the game, and the one mistake he made was a back breaker.

 

Besides that, officiating was really bad. Bass missing kicks. McDermott not being able to adjust well to the Eagles adjustments. And Gabe Davis not looking for the ball in an obvious situation where he should have been looking for the ball.

 

And every time Sherfield came in for Diggs, it was a disaster. What was up with Diggs? Why did he need to leave the field so much?

I’d jive with this more if the defense didn’t give up a preposterous td on a 3rd and 15 to a scrub wr after the int. 
 

it’s hard for me to hate on the INT when josh should’ve had 5 total tds if cook doesn’t drop that pass since we’re on the topic of mistakes 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[DuckyBoys]

McDermott for calling the same soft zone with a lead he always calls expecting a different result.    2017 feels like a lifetime  ago Sean .  Tigers dont change stripes he will continue to call dumb ass time outs and not make adjustments after the half 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

42 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Bass is getting a lot of extra ***** because we let some ####### block one of his kicks, he wouldn't have looked near as bad if that hadn't happened.

He’s been missing kicks for weeks now…missed one against Denver too and one against NE and one against NYG 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

I get your point. Or.. it's called the NFL. And our team just isn't that good. There, now you know.

Gee, if only there is a person or a set of people that could be held accountable for assembling a team that...as you say just isn't that good. Oh, wait there is? It's a GM and a coach! There...now you know!

 

Have a fantastic Monday!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

30 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Statistically this play was probably the biggest negative impact on the game, besides the TD that won it lol

I’d say the circus td on 3rd and 15 after the INT was a bigger impact.  There’s just no way that can be allowed to happen 

should’ve gotten the ball back in a tie game 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[GunnerBill]

In order:

 

Bass

Hyde

McDermott

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Hate to say it, but Allen's bad INT really contributed. He played great for 99% of the game, and the one mistake he made was a back breaker.

 

The INT gave the Eagles a 75% probability of winning.

 

Allen scoring on the next drive gave the Bills an 80% probability to win that increased to 95% before the end of regulation.

 

In short, Allen eradicated that INT quickly.

 

Yes, the Bills had a 95% probability of winning with less than a minute to go.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Einstein

[Matt_In_NH]

Any OT game, there are so many plays....Cook not catching the ball.   Miscommunication, not prioritizing and working the final 20 seconds, penalties.   

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

15 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The INT gave the Eagles a 75% probability of winning.

 

Allen scoring on the next drive gave the Bills an 80% probability to win that increased to 95% before the end of regulation.

 

Yes, the Bills had a 95% probability of winning with less than a minute to go.

 

 

What was it just before the fg…that was like a 1/100 type make I don’t think people are really grasping that lol. In decent weather that’s a tough enough fg 

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

What was it just before the fg…that was like a 1/100 type make I don’t think people are really grasping that lol. In decent weather that’s a tough enough fg 

 

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