boco357 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 I read somewhere Babich was a possible choice on staff for DC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: McD did better than Frazier would’ve done as DC, as those losses were significant and the defense kept us somewhat in games.  They’ve just been on the field way too long that any defense would get worn out.  As far as OC, I mentioned to Joe on the extra point show yesterday, I wouldn’t wait for the end of the year.  I d place Brady as interim and we can decide whether he remains into next year.  In Carolina, he resisted the push to run more and kept them in games through the pass.  Isn’t that what we e wanted.  Either Brady turns this anemic offense around and keeps his job, or we have the off season to find the best OC we can afford, and Terry needs to open up the wallet. We didn’t have White, Von, Hyde for most of the season last year and Poyer missed a bunch of games. Hilarious that fans are too prideful to admit that maybe Frazier wasn’t the problem. So stupid. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 15 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Sleeper OC:  Wes Welker seems glued to McD’s hip on the sideline.    Huh??? Since when is Wes Welker on this staff??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Â Huh??? Since when is Wes Welker on this staff??? Other McD in Miami. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 16 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Let's assume, regardless of anyone's wishes, McD is safe for one more year. Â IMO, the best thing he could do for himself as Head Coach is show Terry and Bills Mafia that he really is the CEO of a winning team; and fire Dorsey, fire himself, and hire a new OC and new DC. Â But who is that? Â Offense: On staff we have the likes of Joe Brady and Mike Shula Any other upcoming guys hiding as QB coaches out there? Anyone left on the 9ers staff worth looking at? Anyone good enough to be able to take over in 2025 if McD keeps McD-ing? Â Defense: On staff... Eric Washington? Brandon Staley maybe? Would Ron Rivera do it as a bridge year? Or into retirement? Any sleepers buried on staffs I'm not thinking about? Former players... Â Assuming McD stays, who is your ultimate staff next year? I want nothing to do with Ron Rivera. He is a dud and why would we want a bridge guy? Â Â 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 7 hours ago, HappyDays said: Â This is what I come back to every time I consider the idea of firing Dorsey. Even in a best case scenario that is just a band-aid. If we bring in an OC who schemes up an elite offense, he'll be a head coach somewhere else a year or two later. And we won't get the best possible OC to begin with because that OC will be already be a head coach somewhere. Â So the only real solution to getting a great offensive coach for the long term is to replace McDermott with one. Â Â My idea would be if the new OC is really that much of a hot shot, that after next year, we can McD and promote the OC. Only way to fix the cycle we got ourselves into by hiring a defensive HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 12 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Frazier sucks  Frazier designed the defense which neutralized Ravens offense in playoffs which other teams copied. He may not be aggressive enough but that does not translate as sucks. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Limeaid said:  Frazier designed the defense which neutralized Ravens offense in playoffs which other teams copied. He may not be aggressive enough but that does not translate as sucks. Frazier had his strengths for sure, but IMO the last 2 minutes of a ballgame were not one of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: We didn’t have White, Von, Hyde for most of the season last year and Poyer missed a bunch of games. Hilarious that fans are too prideful to admit that maybe Frazier wasn’t the problem. So stupid. I don't think Frazier was a "problem" but I'm not sure he was the solution. Same way I feel about McD as HC 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 I don’t see how a HC who also become DC takes a step back from that. He put himself in a bad position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 I really wish we'd been able to keep Schwartz all these years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Frazier sucks  100%   1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Not sure if it's been tossed out there yet, but if Frank Reich is one and done in Carolina would anybody be interested in replacing Dorsey with him? Â Forget about his obvious Buffalo connection altogether, but seems like it would be a logical fit given his previous OC experience and success. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Not sure if it's been tossed out there yet, but if Frank Reich is one and done in Carolina would anybody be interested in replacing Dorsey with him? Â Forget about his obvious Buffalo connection altogether, but seems like it would be a logical fit given his previous OC experience and success. Â Mentioned it on the previous page from last night's game. Â IMO, Reich is too much like McD in his conservative, older school nature. Also, 2 horribly failed HC stints from 1 OC job where he wasnt even calling plays (that was Pederson) Â We need young, brash and confident/almost arrogant at OC. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Im not playing this game. No hot offensive coordinator would take our offensive coodirnater position as they would be taking an HC job.  So that means we would have another subpar offensive mind operating this team.  Which means another season down the ***** drain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Alpo Chino said: I really wish we'd been able to keep Schwartz all these years.  Not that I think he would've worked out here as a head coach, but there's an irony in that we hired two DC's to be HC's after him and yet his defensive scheme while here arguably outclasses both of them.  Although it's hard not to give McD an asterisk for the year with the injuries they've suffered. First few weeks in, while healthy, his Defense really did look the part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 19 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Let's assume, regardless of anyone's wishes, McD is safe for one more year.  IMO, the best thing he could do for himself as Head Coach is show Terry and Bills Mafia that he really is the CEO of a winning team; and fire Dorsey, fire himself, and hire a new OC and new DC.  But who is that?  Offense: On staff we have the likes of Joe Brady and Mike Shula Any other upcoming guys hiding as QB coaches out there? Anyone left on the 9ers staff worth looking at? Anyone good enough to be able to take over in 2025 if McD keeps McD-ing?  Defense: On staff... Eric Washington? Brandon Staley maybe? Would Ron Rivera do it as a bridge year? Or into retirement? Any sleepers buried on staffs I'm not thinking about? Former players...  Assuming McD stays, who is your ultimate staff next year?  Predicting coordinators is hard but I’ll give it a shot  Potential hires for OC: Kevin Patullo - Eagles passing game coordinator since 2021. Had a stint from 2010-12 with the Bills.  Byron Leftwich - obviously won a Super Bowl with Brady and the Bucs. It was a surprise when Bowles got the HC position over him. DC I think Bobby Babich is probably the most likely person to fill that spot. His position groups have been very good while he was here.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 20 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: So, this assumes that we're keeping McDermott:   If everyone gets canned in NY, I like Mike Kafka. He's young and worked with Andy Reid for years.    I can't see a housecleaning in NY unless ownership blames Schoen & Daboll for the bad Daniel Jones contract.  Right now, the Giants #1 mission is to lose as many games as possible so they can draft a QB to rectify the Jones mistake. I believe that the owners will give Schoen & Daboll that opportunity.  Management will not hold their 2023 record against Schoen and Daboll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 19 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He should fire himself as DC right now IMO. But I think the replacement would be in house in any event.  My ideal combo:  DC - Leslie Frazier (won't happen he isn't comkng back here but we are talking about our ideal choices); OC - Kellen Moore (in a world where everyone gets canned with the Chargers)  I know @GunnerBill you have been a long time defender and supporter of Frazier, but I honestly just don't get it. If the Miami Dolphins were a DC, they would be Leslie Frazier because like the Dolphins, Fraziers defenses would rank well statistically against mediocre to weak competition, but come playoff time against quality competition they were soft, weak, and exposed.   Teams in the playoffs would light up the Bills D and then go literally lose the very next week and have their offenses held in check by lesser defenses.  This year, before three season ending injuries to arguably our 3 most important players on Defense, the McD led defense was 1st in sacks, 1st in interceptions, 1st in turnovers, 1st in point differential and giving up just 13 points per game, and that includes playing the Miami offense. And even with those injuries, while the defense has fallen off statistically, they have kept us in games well enough for us to have won all of them had our offense not been so flat the last 5 weeks avg just 19 PPG during that stretch despite no significant injuries.    2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:  I know @GunnerBill you have been a long time defender and supporter of Frazier, but I honestly just don't get it. If the Miami Dolphins were a DC, they would be Leslie Frazier because like the Dolphins, Fraziers defenses would rank well statistically against mediocre to weak competition, but come playoff time against quality competition they were soft, weak, and exposed.   Teams in the playoffs would light up the Bills D and then go literally lose the very next week and have their offenses held in check by lesser defenses.  This year, before three season ending injuries to arguably our 3 most important players on Defense, the McD led defense was 1st in sacks, 1st in interceptions, 1st in turnovers, 1st in point differential and giving up just 13 points per game, and that includes playing the Miami offense. And even with those injuries, while the defense has fallen off statistically, they have kept us in games well enough for us to have won all of them had our offense not been so flat the last 5 weeks avg just 19 PPG during that stretch despite no significant injuries.     I simply don't agree. I think they collapsed in the final 2 minutes against KC in 2021. They had played a decent game until that point. Some of that was on coaching. A bunch of it was execution and talent.  In 2022 yes they stunk against the Bengals. But the whole team did. They played like zombies. If the loss last weel reassured me of anything it is that you can throw that playoff game out. The Bengals might well have beaten the Bills in the playoffs last year even if the Bills turned up. But it would have looked much more like last week looked where the Bills clung on in the game and competed their asses off.  Leslie is a darn good football coach and I'd re-hire him as DC tomorrow in an ideal world. I know it isn't ever gonna happen but therr we are. Leslie was never, ever, the issue. Edited November 10, 2023 by GunnerBill 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:  I simply don't agree. I think they collapsed in the final 2 minutes against KC in 2021. They had played a decent game until that point. Some of that was on coaching. A bunch of it was execution and talent.  In 2022 yes they stunk against the Bengals. But the whole team did. They played like zombies. If the loss last weel reassured me of anything it is that you can throw that playoff game out. The Bengals might well have beaten the Bills in the playoffs last year even if the Bills turned up. But it would have looked much more like last week looked where the Bills clung on in the game and competed their asses off.  Leslie is a darn good football coach and I'd re-hire him as DC tomorrow in an ideal world. I know it isn't ever gonna happen but therr we are. Leslie was never, ever, the issue.  You say Leslie was never the issue, yet under McD the defense was doing better prior to losing its 3 most important players. Leslie was here a long time...and during his time here, the defense did not play to the same level in the playoffs as it did during the regular season. His bend don't break style not only was exposed by better teams, but it also kept those better teams in games. And sorry, the collapse was not just the last 2 min of the game, although that was definitely the most egregious part of it. I mean, we gave up 42 points in that game, only 17 came in the final 2 minutes. Against the Bengals the next week, Chiefs scored just 3 points in the 2nd half vs a defense that was ranked significantly lower than ours.   Again...rinse and repeat. Bills high ranked D is exposed in playoffs...same team loses next week by being held in check by a much lower ranked defense. And again...first across the board in all major categories on defense under McD prior to the slue of unfortunate injuries.   Is Frazier a good DC...sure...but there are a lot of good coaches who have a history of not getting it done in the big games, and Frazier is firmly on that list from his own record. Every coach in the NFL can hide behind "not enough talent on the D"...the issue here is that defense that you say "talent" was the issue would be ranked top 3 all season before laying an egg in the playoffs. So can't tell me its lack of talent when that lack of talent can beat the KC's of the world in the regular season but can't in the playoffs.  Not to mention, teams with less defensive talent are going on to beat these teams beating us the very next week.  1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, LEBills said:  Predicting coordinators is hard but I’ll give it a shot  Potential hires for OC: Kevin Patullo - Eagles passing game coordinator since 2021. Had a stint from 2010-12 with the Bills.  Byron Leftwich - obviously won a Super Bowl with Brady and the Bucs. It was a surprise when Bowles got the HC position over him. DC I think Bobby Babich is probably the most likely person to fill that spot. His position groups have been very good while he was here.    Patullo is a really interesting name to me. I ran across him right after I made this thread. I dont know enough about him or his style, but I think he could be someone to watch. The Philly/McD and Patullo/Buffalo connections certainly help.  Leftwich is a great call as I had completely forgotten about him. Not sure what that says tho. And wasnt it really Arians and Brady who probably both had more say in the Offense than Byron?   27 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:  I know @GunnerBill you have been a long time defender and supporter of Frazier, but I honestly just don't get it. If the Miami Dolphins were a DC, they would be Leslie Frazier    19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:  I simply don't agree. I think they collapsed in the final 2 minutes against KC in 2021. They had played a decent game until that point. Some of that was on coaching. A bunch of it was execution and talent.    1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:  You say Leslie was never the issue, yet under McD the defense was doing better prior to losing its 3 most important players. Leslie was here a long time...and d   Get a room you two. Edited November 10, 2023 by DrDawkinstein 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 I've watched every Bills play this season. If I were to critisize the defense it would be a lack of talent at the CB position. That being said, the Bills are 5th in the league in points allowed. Not too bad considering the multitude of injuries. On offense, I would have to say lack of execution and moronic penalties are more to blame for lack of production than scheme and play calling. Even with that said, the Bills are 5th in yards/game and 5th in points per/game. Now I haven't observed how the Bills practice, so that might be where the coaching staff is failing. However, on game day, I have to say it's the inconsistent proper execution of the players that has to be blamed for the fans wanting the coach's heads to roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 On Defense I opt for Bobby Babich, young energetic, great motivator, articulate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 40 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:  You say Leslie was never the issue, yet under McD the defense was doing better prior to losing its 3 most important players. Leslie was here a long time...and during his time here, the defense did not play to the same level in the playoffs as it did during the regular season. His bend don't break style not only was exposed by better teams, but it also kept those better teams in games. And sorry, the collapse was not just the last 2 min of the game, although that was definitely the most egregious part of it. I mean, we gave up 42 points in that game, only 17 came in the final 2 minutes. Against the Bengals the next week, Chiefs scored just 3 points in the 2nd half vs a defense that was ranked significantly lower than ours.   Again...rinse and repeat. Bills high ranked D is exposed in playoffs...same team loses next week by being held in check by a much lower ranked defense. And again...first across the board in all major categories on defense under McD prior to the slue of unfortunate injuries.   Is Frazier a good DC...sure...but there are a lot of good coaches who have a history of not getting it done in the big games, and Frazier is firmly on that list from his own record. Every coach in the NFL can hide behind "not enough talent on the D"...the issue here is that defense that you say "talent" was the issue would be ranked top 3 all season before laying an egg in the playoffs. So can't tell me its lack of talent when that lack of talent can beat the KC's of the world in the regular season but can't in the playoffs.  Not to mention, teams with less defensive talent are going on to beat these teams beating us the very next week.   So Leslie failed because of a couple of playoff games, but McDermott succeeded because of four regular season games? You realise that is an inconsistent argument, right?  And I think when 17 of 42 points come in the final 2 mins plus OT that is very much a collapse that was the problem. Leslie isn't blameless in that but he wasn't in the top 3 people I'd blame having actually looked at what happened. And I wasn't arguing that the Bills D lacked the talent to get it done. But at the end of that Chiefs game in particular there were two major execution errors by a former UDFA who the Bills allowed to walk on the back of it.  Leslie Frazier was not the problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:  So Leslie failed because of a couple of playoff games, but McDermott succeeded because of four regular season games? You realise that is an inconsistent argument, right?  And I think when 17 of 42 points come in the final 2 mins plus OT that is very much a collapse that was the problem. Leslie isn't blameless in that but he wasn't in the top 3 people I'd blame having actually looked at what happened. And I wasn't arguing that the Bills D lacked the talent to get it done. But at the end of that Chiefs game in particular there were two major execution errors by a former UDFA who the Bills allowed to walk on the back of it.  Leslie Frazier was not the problem. Who are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:  So Leslie failed because of a couple of playoff games, but McDermott succeeded because of four regular season games? You realise that is an inconsistent argument, right?  And I think when 17 of 42 points come in the final 2 mins plus OT that is very much a collapse that was the problem. Leslie isn't blameless in that but he wasn't in the top 3 people I'd blame having actually looked at what happened. And I wasn't arguing that the Bills D lacked the talent to get it done. But at the end of that Chiefs game in particular there were two major execution errors by a former UDFA who the Bills allowed to walk on the back of it.  Leslie Frazier was not the problem.  I didn't say McD "succeeded", I said the defense went up a level under McD in the short window we got to see it before decimation by unfortunate injuries.   There were more defensive failures than just the final 2 minutes of the KC game and OT including both playoff games last year.  All good either way, we are never going to agree on this, and that is ok...just differing opinons   But for me personally, I am open to McD bringing in or promoting someone to DC so he can focus on HC duties...but just don't want to see Frazier or anyone who runs a similar bend don't break soft defense.  Edited November 10, 2023 by Alphadawg7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:  I didn't say McD "succeeded", I said the defense went up a level under McD in the short window we got to see it before decimation by unfortunate injuries.   There were more defensive failures than just the final 2 minutes of the KC game and OT including both playoff games last year.  All good either way, we are never going to agree on this, and that is ok...just differing opinons   But for me personally, I am open to McD bringing in or promoting someone to DC so he can focus on HC duties...but just don't want to see Frazier or anyone who runs a similar bend don't break soft defense.  But most NFL defenses are like that now. It's driving fans nuts league-wide.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:  I didn't say McD "succeeded", I said the defense went up a level under McD in the short window we got to see it before decimation by unfortunate injuries.   There were more defensive failures than just the final 2 minutes of the KC game and OT including both playoff games last year.  All good either way, we are never going to agree on this, and that is ok...just differing opinons   But for me personally, I am open to McD bringing in or promoting someone to DC so he can focus on HC duties...but just don't want to see Frazier or anyone who runs a similar bend don't break soft defense.   McDermott runs a bend don't break scheme. Almost everyone in the NFL is running a bend don't break scheme. It is how you play defense in the league at this stage. You make teams play perfect football against you and put together long drives. It is why everyone is playing a lot of cover 2 shell and quarters. Defense at the moment is all about eliminating the big pass play.  I am realistic it is not going to be Leslie. But to my mind McDermott should give the DC role up immediately. He hasn't done it very well. His over-reliance on the blitz has cost us one game already and had hurt us in other big spots too. And I think it is affecting his ability to be the Head Coach this team needs to pull them together right now. I'd promote Al Holcomb on an interim basis until the end of the season. Give him a shot at it then take a fresh look after the season is done. 17 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Who are you referring to?  Levi. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shemp Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Where is Ted Marchibroda when you need him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 21 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Sleeper OC:  Wes Welker seems glued to McD’s hip on the sideline.   Wes welker is on our staff????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said: Wes welker is on our staff????? He is on the Dolphins staff, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 17 hours ago, boyst said: I love the idea and the discussion but holy ***** the candidates are so underwhelming  Exactly the point.  It's all well and good to can McDermott, but who replaces him  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: On Defense I opt for Bobby Babich, young energetic, great motivator, articulate.  I'm coming around on Babich for DC.   I know they're trying to promote Washington, but I think they're barking up the wrong tree with that.   4 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:  Exactly the point.  It's all well and good to can McDermott, but who replaces him   I dont think it's too difficult to replace a DC. The OC is the tricky one. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
From Roc to Ky bills fan Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 22 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Let's assume, regardless of anyone's wishes, McD is safe for one more year.  IMO, the best thing he could do for himself as Head Coach is show Terry and Bills Mafia that he really is the CEO of a winning team; and fire Dorsey, fire himself, and hire a new OC and new DC.  But who is that?  Offense: On staff we have the likes of Joe Brady and Mike Shula Any other upcoming guys hiding as QB coaches out there? Anyone left on the 9ers staff worth looking at? Anyone good enough to be able to take over in 2025 if McD keeps McD-ing?  Defense: On staff... Eric Washington? Brandon Staley maybe? Would Ron Rivera do it as a bridge year? Or into retirement? Any sleepers buried on staffs I'm not thinking about? Former players...  Assuming McD stays, who is your ultimate staff next year? Please let Dabol get fired and come home 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 love the OC (Johnson) in Detroit, but then he would need to be HC and then you must blow up the entire coaching staff and roster in the process, and that is not worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said: love the OC (Johnson) in Detroit, but then he would need to be HC and then you must blow up the entire coaching staff and roster in the process, and that is not worth it  Totally different discussion, but dont need to blow up the roster.   So sounds like, right now, I could see...  Head Coach - Sean McDermott Off Coordinator - Kevin Patullo Def Coordinator - Bobby Babich  Need to look more into Patullo, and other rising Offensive assistants. Welker is an interesting name, but I'm actually worried his brain might be too scrambled for such a high level position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:  I didn't say McD "succeeded", I said the defense went up a level under McD in the short window we got to see it before decimation by unfortunate injuries.   There were more defensive failures than just the final 2 minutes of the KC game and OT including both playoff games last year.  All good either way, we are never going to agree on this, and that is ok...just differing opinons   But for me personally, I am open to McD bringing in or promoting someone to DC so he can focus on HC duties...but just don't want to see Frazier or anyone who runs a similar bend don't break soft defense.  You have completely lost me and your logic is baffling. In the Cincy playoff game last season, the Bills were missing arguably their most important player on D (Daquon Jones) as well as Von Miller and Hyde. They were also missing Hamlin (no great shakes, but better than who was behind him), White was a still a shell of himself, Poyer was extremely banged up (knee and elbow), and Oliver was playing with a bad arm that severely hampered him. They went down to the Bengals for a number of reasons, but defensive injuries were HIGH on the list — especially the loss of Jones. This year, you celebrate McDermott’s four games with a healthy roster. Fine. But they’ve gone to absolute crap since the injury bug hit, and it’s understandable. Not only do I think your argument makes no sense because you’re not comparing like to like and you’re also using a small early-season sample size to lionize McDermott’s D, you fall prey to an age old fallacy: it’s all the coaches and the players are interchangeable. They are not. Good players really matter, and when good players go down, it has a negative effect whoever the hell is coaching.  Also, by way of comparison, in the first four games of the 2022 season, a mostly healthy Bills’ D allowed on average 234.5 yards and 14.5 points per game while averaging 2.25 turnovers forced per game. Edited November 11, 2023 by dave mcbride 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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T master Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 On 11/9/2023 at 3:20 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Let's assume, regardless of anyone's wishes, McD is safe for one more year.  IMO, the best thing he could do for himself as Head Coach is show Terry and Bills Mafia that he really is the CEO of a winning team; and fire Dorsey, fire himself, and hire a new OC and new DC.  But who is that?  Offense: On staff we have the likes of Joe Brady and Mike Shula Any other upcoming guys hiding as QB coaches out there? Anyone left on the 9ers staff worth looking at? Anyone good enough to be able to take over in 2025 if McD keeps McD-ing?  Defense: On staff... Eric Washington? Brandon Staley maybe? Would Ron Rivera do it as a bridge year? Or into retirement? Any sleepers buried on staffs I'm not thinking about? Former players...  Assuming McD stays, who is your ultimate staff next year?  If McD stays try to hire Schwartz away from the Browns (always wanted him to come back after the Rex debacle)  he could be assistant HC then get rid of Dorcey if he continues on this same path & elevate Brady to OC with Shula as his QB coach & sounding board ! Then the final piece to the SB puzzle - coax Marv out of retirement as the ST coach for 1 last go and he can ride along in the parade !!!  GO BILLS !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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