The Big Lie we were fed that McDermott is a disciplined, prepared, hard worker

[HomeskillitMoorman]

The proof is in the pudding on how untrue all of this has always been. Being good at game and time management is all about hard work and preparation. Same with being composed in big moments and at the end of games and your players understanding end of game situations. 

 

This guy still makes the same exact mistakes he did in his rookie head coach season from 6 years ago. He literally hasn't learned a thing. Our players are clueless and undisciplined in big moments in the game. Look at last night's Hail Mary. It's not like we've been burned before on those in McD's tenure. It shouldn't even take that because a  good head coach prepares for situations that they haven't even been burned by. With 13 seconds, I found it absurd that people were giving him the excuse of that being a learning experience when any head coach at any level should know what to do there. I'm not sure anything would even change if we were in that situation again given what we've seen from these other scenarios. 

 

The scapegoating of other coaches has also been the mantra of McD's apologists. It was Frazier that was too soft and conservative with "his" defense...McD is the head coach. He has YEARS to change anything he didn't like about what was supposedly Frazier's defense or replace him or take over himself. The fact is it's HIS defense because it's HIS team. It's the same with the offense. We keep seeing these shotgun runs on goaline situations that are repeated disasters. Yes Dorsey is a big problem...but who is letting him be that? McD hears those playcalls and is on the line, he can interject anytime he wants to. He is NOT a helpless bystander. It's HIS team. If he can't handle all of that, then guess what, that means he can't handle all of the responsibilities of a Head Coach. 

 

The majority of coaches in this league could have won the last few years with the talent we've had. The good ones probably could have won a SB. We still have a guy that after all these years still craps his pants and takes these horrible defensive timeouts when the opposition's offense is scrambling to get the next play off as time is winding down to give them time to compose themselves. That happens because again he is completely unprepared for those moments in the game.  Preparation takes discipline and hard work. 

 

I remember during this whole regime all of these propaganda articles about how disciplined, gritty, and hard working this guy is. What an absolute joke. A hard worker would show a significant amount of improvement as a coach throughout all of these years. I agree with people that Andy Reid didn't work hard to improve his time and game management skills either. But the comparisons to him are ridiculous too when Reid went to what, 4 NFC championships and a Superbowl in his first 6 years?? With a lesser QB. What are we even talking about here? 

 

I'm glad a growing number of people here are actually willing to see this right now rather than just blindly defending him like what's been going on for years here. When does the "he'll learn from this" excuse for the same mistakes over and over and over expire? In year 10? Year 20? 

 

I hope there's some kind of miracle and he somehow "gets it", but when he hasn't done a thing to put in the slightest bit of work to improve himself over the last 6 years, it's hard to believe it's going to happen mid-season. I hope the talent wins out enough for us to compete...but sadly we're not winning a SB with this guy now or ever. 

[Big Turk]

Uh no.  Unprepared coaches don't have the highest winning percentage in the NFL since 2020.  Way too long of a sample size to not get exposed.  Honestly, just a silly(idiotic maybe even?) take.

Edited October 27, 2023 by Big Turk

[Mango]

The board is full of a lot of repetitive threads these days. The mods have to be overwhelmed. 

This is just a very long winded thought that could be in like 5-6 different threads that already exist. 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Mango

[Aussie Joe]

I got no idea if he is a hard worker or not …but ..

 

They had to go down to the wire on a game they absolutely dominated …again..

 

There is something wrong with this team…

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

You just used a lot of words to basically say "I have no clue".

[GoBills808]

No idea about how hard he works, my issue w McDermott is that he doesn't appear to be very bright

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

I got no idea if he is a hard worker or not …but ..

 

They had to go down to the wire on a game they absolutely dominated …again..

 

There is something wrong with this team…

 

 

 

Actually the only reason you think  that way is because the Bills have blown teams out with such regularity over the last 3 years and averaged a double digit win every single game over that timeframe in terms of net point differential that we expect it.  But that isn't how 31 other teams live in the NFL.  

 

This is the equivalent of a super rich person wondering how people can live in houses under 7,000 square feet, do their own cleaning, laundry and gardening and have to drive themselves all over town instead of having a personal driver to take them wherever they want to go.

 

It just isn't the norm.  

[EasternOHBillsFan]

So if I'm not blindly defending him but totally disagreeing with your premise that he's undisciplined, not prepared, and not a hard worker, what does that make me? 😂 

[Bray Wyatt]

TLDR, based on other replys, glad I didnt

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Uh no.  Unprepared coaches don't have the highest winning percentage in the NFL since 2020.  Way too long of a sample size to not get exposed.  Honestly, just a silly take.

 

Maybe it was the late night Hayburners yesterday, but I am a bit taken aback by how negative the board was last night. 

I am critical of a lot, and participate in a ton of negative threads/conversations, but the team was a lot better at a good chunk of the last few weeks criticisms. Definitely some moments I would like back, especially the goal line play calls. But we can win a few games with the way we played last night. Last night was the kind of game/team that if they can get hot, they can go on a run in January. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Uh no.  Unprepared coaches don't have the highest winning percentage in the NFL since 2020.  Way too long of a sample size to not get exposed.  Honestly, just a silly take.

 

When you're cherry picking and removing 3 of his seasons and not talking about his postseason woes, sure. And a loaded roster can absolutely mask a head coach's shortcomings. You can only take that so far though as you've seen. 

[Royale with Cheese]

I am so confused by this board.

 

On one end, Beane sucks and don't have much talent on the roster because of his drafting.  

On the other end, McDermott sucks because he has a lot of talent and haven't won it.  

Edited October 27, 2023 by Royale with Cheese

[SCBills]

I’m not a huge McDermott guy, but his defense gave up two TD’s. 
 

One on a quick change short field.  
 

One that was, perhaps, the flukiest drive I’ve EVER seen.

 

Poyer coming down at LB in passing downs looks like a really interesting development moving forward.

 

Im pretty confident McDermott doesn’t punt over and over against an offense that poses a bigger threat.

 

He called a beautiful overload blitz to end the game and preserve a comfortable 14 point win.   
 

Phillips grabbed Baker’s face mask for no reason and then the ball bounced off Benford for a TD and Phillips for a 2 point conversion. 
 

Players were put in position to end the game, and didn’t.   So we had to sweat it out.  

[I'm Spartacus]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Uh no.  Unprepared coaches don't have the highest winning percentage in the NFL since 2020.  Way too long of a sample size to not get exposed.  Honestly, just a silly take.

I don't care about percentage winning, etc. McDermott seems to crap the bed against the higer echelon teams, and has poor in game management skills. Not impressed.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

No idea about how hard he works, my issue w McDermott is that he doesn't appear to be very bright

 

Even a guy who's not overly bright should be able to learn from the same mistakes over a 6 year period though shouldn't he?

[GoBills808]

Just now, Mango said:

 

Maybe it was the late night Hayburners yesterday, but I am a bit taken aback by how negative the board was last night. 

I am critical of a lot, and participate in a ton of negative threads/conversations, but the team was a lot better at a good chunk of the last few weeks criticisms. Definitely some moments I would like back, especially the goal line play calls. But we can win a few games with the way we played last night. Last night was the kind of game/team that if they can get hot, they can go on a run in January. 

😂😂 You're always going on about how Allen lost focus, is lazy, etc etc

 

I don't think it's so far fetched that it's actually McDermott who isn't (or can't) putting in the necessary work

[BullBuchanan]

37 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Uh no.  Unprepared coaches don't have the highest winning percentage in the NFL since 2020.  Way too long of a sample size to not get exposed.  Honestly, just a silly take.

When you have a top QB in what was an extremely weak division for the last few years, numbers will skew in your favor.

Mike Smith has a higher career winning percentage than Bill Parcells, Kyle Shanahan, Doug Pederson, Jimmy Johnson, Marv Levy and a bunch of guys with gold jackets. If you ever watched his teams play, I think you'd know that had a lot more to do with Matt Ryan, Roddy White, Julio Jones and others than it did with his football acumen.

P.S. He also has 5 more losses than Reid since 2020, and that isn't changing any time soon.

Edited October 27, 2023 by BullBuchanan

[HomeskillitMoorman]

5 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

So if I'm not blindly defending him but totally disagreeing with your premise that he's undisciplined, not prepared, and not a hard worker, what does that make me? 😂 

 

Sounds like you might be able to make a good argument then, I'd love to hear it. 

[Beck Water]

8 minutes ago, Mango said:

The board is full of a lot of repetitive threads these days. The mods have to be overwhelmed. 

This is just a very long winded thought that could be in like 5-6 different threads that already exist. 

 

The current board philosophy is members should start whatever threads they want within very broad guidelines, and how many people choose to respond will select which threads are worthy and stay on the front page, and which fall off

 

Personally, I think when the front page is littered with
"The Big Lie we were fed that McDermott is a disciplined, prepared, hard worker"

"Why is this team, and staff, so dumb?"

"Sean McDermott is a stupid coach"

"Fitzpatrick's veiled criticism of Dorsey?"

"The Official Fire Ken Dorsey Thread"

etc

 

it might be time for a bit of pruning because I think when there's too much idiocracy, it drives a number of contributing, smart posters to step out. 

 

But that's just my opinion, and it's not the current SOP.

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂 You're always going on about how Allen lost focus, is lazy, etc etc

 

I don't think it's so far fetched that it's actually McDermott who isn't (or can't) putting in the necessary work

 

Just to clarify, I don't think Josh is lazy, I think that he could be better with some of his prep. I think there is a difference even if nuanced. Jamarcus Russel and Johnny Menzel were lazy and unfocused. That is certainly not Josh Allen. 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I’m not a huge McDermott guy, but his defense gave up two TD’s. 
 

One on a quick change short field.  
 

One that was, perhaps, the flukiest drive I’ve EVER seen.

 

Poyer coming down at LB in passing downs looks like a really interesting development moving forward.

 

Im pretty confident McDermott doesn’t punt over and over against an offense that poses a bigger threat.

 

He called a beautiful overload blitz to end the game and preserve a comfortable 14 point win.   
 

Phillips grabbed Baker’s face mask for no reason and then the ball bounced off Benford for a TD and Phillips for a 2 point conversion. 
 

Players were put in position to end the game, and didn’t.   So we had to sweat it out.  

 

Regarding the bolded part, you mean like in the playoff games both years back to back vs KC?

 

I agree with some of the other parts, Phillips had a terrible penalty and the game should've ended there. Not a fan at all of the timeout right before the pass to Evans on 4th down to give the Bucs more time though. And again that's something McD has done many times. 

 

The other recurring theme being the shotgun run at the goaline. It's all being attributed to Dorsey but first off that's McD's hire and McD can step in and interject on any playcall he doesn't like. It's his responsibility at the end of the day. 

 

And of course the Hail Mary which we were in a terrible position on. 

When I say recurring theme, it's that we're seeing the same issues over and over and over again. That is in my opinion a product of a head coach that doesn't take the time and put in the work to improve himself. 

Edited October 27, 2023 by HomeskillitMoorman

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Just now, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Sounds like you might be able to make a good argument then, I'd love to hear it. 

 

He doesn't make the best decisions...ones that involve our offense, time outs and keeping players focused. His poor decision making causes many of the problems that plague this team. His loyalty to Dorsey will probably get him fired if we have a poor November when the heart of our schedule comes calling.

[JaCrispy]

Is it true the stadium was built on an Indian burial ground? 🤔

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 minute ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

He doesn't make the best decisions...ones that involve our offense, time outs and keeping players focused. His poor decision making causes many of the problems that plague this team. His loyalty to Dorsey will probably get him fired if we have a poor November when the heart of our schedule comes calling.

 

Right, I don't think we disagree on any of that. But I'm curious to know why you don't think this links up with discipline, preparation and hard work.

 

Poor decision-making and game management is not some inherent, intrinsic characteristic. It's learned, it's worked on, and can be improved upon. On a 6 year timeline, it absolutely should be improved upon. 

[thenorthremembers]

You dont get to 67-38 in the NFL by being under-prepared.   Just stop it.

[Big Turk]

9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

When you have a top QB in what was an extremely weak division for the last few years, numbers will skew in your favor.

Mike Smith has a higher career winning percentage than Bill Parcells, Kyle Shanahan, Doug Pederson, Jimmy Johnson, Marv Levy and a bunch of guys with gold jackets. If you ever watched his teams play, I think you'd know that had a lot more to do with Matt Ryan, Roddy White, Julio Jones and others than it did with his football acumen.

 

Blah blah blah...more nonsense excuses.

11 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said:

I don't care about percentage winning, etc. McDermott seems to crap the bed against the higer echelon teams, and has poor in game management skills. Not impressed.

 

Care to tell me his winning percentage against teams that have been above .500?  I'll wait.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

 

Just to clarify, I don't think Josh is lazy, I think that he could be better with some of his prep. I think there is a difference even if nuanced. Jamarcus Russel and Johnny Menzel were lazy and unfocused. That is certainly not Josh Allen. 

 

What if it's McDermott tho

 

The players like Allen and Diggs know their legacies are tied to the length of their playing careers, they have incentive to do what it takes to win now...where is that incentive from the HC? He has the job security to put it on cruise control in the off-season, focus on his defensive pet project, and win a few playoff games while he's got a top QB. 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Just now, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Right, I don't think we disagree on any of that. But I'm curious to know why you don't think this links up with discipline, preparation and hard work.

 

Poor decision-making and game management is not some inherent, intrinsic characteristic. It's learned, it's worked on, and can be improved upon. On a 6 year timeline, it absolutely should be improved upon. 

 

I have had people work for me who worked very hard at what they do, no discipline problems, prepared, but when it is time to execute they struggle. It's extremely frustrating but in the end you would hope that experience breeds familiarity and improvement. McDermott seems like he is not getting better...

[ExiledInIllinois]

IN! TrustTheProcess!

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

18 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Blah blah blah...more nonsense excuses.

 

Care to tell me his winning percentage against teams that have been above .500?  I'll wait.

 

If you want this to be your point, shouldn't you look this up rather than wait?  

 

Is this above .500 after the season?  at the time they played?  

Edit - I'm bored at work and did the math and when you take out 2017 (Tyrod and 60M in dead cap), and 2018 (Rookie josh team with no WRs) its not bad at all.  20-13 since 2020.  

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Bleeding Bills Blue

[Beck Water]

13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't think it's so far fetched that it's actually McDermott who isn't (or can't) putting in the necessary work

 

I think you guys have no clue what the necessary work looks like for a HC or coordinator.

 

Rex Ryan didn't put in the necessary work and it was known.

 

It's always reasonable to question whether someone at McDermott's level is putting in the RIGHT work - are the film cutups and scouting he's looking at good enough?  Is he focused too much on cutups and not getting a good "gestalt picture"?  Is he focused too much on watching entire games and not delegating/relying on his assistants and "cut ups" enough?  Does he micromanage his OC and DC and overrule them too much?  Is he too "hands off" when he should be stepping in and overruling?  During the game, does he rely on analytics too much?  Or is he too old-fashioned and go with his gut too much?  All fair game to ask and question.

 

But C'Mon Man, even losing NFL coaches like Spagnuolo with the Rams basically live at the facility Sunday nite through Wednesday during the season and have to schedule family time.  This is a ridiculous take.

Edited October 27, 2023 by Beck Water

[I'm Spartacus]

8 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Is it true the stadium was built on an Indian burial ground? 🤔

The Sheldon Family Cemetery is located between gates 6 and 7 at Highmark Stadium and there is a sign that explains the cemetery. There was a clip about it before the game on channel 7. They were the first family to settle in Orchard Park way back when.

[Joe Ferguson]

McD getting eliminated 5 times in the post  season tells you what we have as OC. He plays scared and playing not to lose which eventually always loses. This is Marvin Lewis, Marty Schottenheimer and Mike McCarthy all rolled into one.

[Bangarang]

I’d be so mad if I wasted all of recess to write this while everyone else was playing.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

19 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I am so confused by this board.

 

On one end, Beane sucks and don't have much talent on the roster because of his drafting.  

On the other end, McDermott sucks because he has a lot of talent and haven't won it.  

often takes from the same poster.

 

Me? i think they're both slightly above average, but not good enough.

 

[I'm Spartacus]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Blah blah blah...more nonsense excuses.

 

Care to tell me his winning percentage against teams that have been above .500?  I'll wait.

Are you inferring McDermott is the best Bills coach ever, and he will win us the Super Bowl? Sometimes analytics suck. I'll wait.

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

What if it's McDermott tho

 

The players like Allen and Diggs know their legacies are tied to the length of their playing careers, they have incentive to do what it takes to win now...where is that incentive from the HC? He has the job security to put it on cruise control in the off-season, focus on his defensive pet project, and win a few playoff games while he's got a top QB. 

 

What job security?  It doesn't matter if he just signed a contract.  A coach who just signed a big fat contract can and will be kicked to the curb if he doesn't deliver on performance - look at Urban Meyer (5 year, ~$50 million, gone in less than a season), look at Jon Gruden (10 year, $100 million, gone in 3 years and 5 games after a 60-57 record).  Look at Rex Ryan for that matter.

[Bruffalo]

He's a top 10 coach, full stop, maybe at the tail end of top 5. 

 

Has it likely been easier for him because of Allen? Yes, absolutely. 

 

Is he the guy who can win it all? I don't see why not.  Maybe it's more likely for an offensive mind, but lots of great offensive coaches haven't won a superbowl.  

 

It can be a lot worse.  Hopefully he grows as a coach and improves.  There's lot of things that can be done better, but that's true of virtually every coach in the NFL. 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

Mcdermott is a very good coach who tightens up at the end of games causing his team to also play tight in those situations.  

[HomeskillitMoorman]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I’d be so mad if I wasted all of recess to write this while everyone else was playing.

 

Home Ec actually. It does suck that I'll never know how to make Tiramisu.