How did Von Miller look?

[PBF81]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Are you really saying Ed Oliver, Greg Rousseau and AJ Epenesa are ineffective pass rushers?

 

They weren't when Beane signed Von Miller. 

 

That was the implication.  

 

 

[Irv]

3 hours ago, julian said:

Is Von the new red headed stepchild ? Fine… f**k that guy !!

 

Somebody has to fill the void left by Edmunds.  That being said, I watched the hi-lights.  He seemed to get off the ball quickly, get by his man, then kind of give up and jog once Taylor moved up in the pocket.  It was odd to see him just quit like that.  That's not the kind of player he is.  Something is definitely wrong.  

 

On the other hand, Epenesa was everywhere second game in a row.  Something has changed with him.  He's an animal now.    

 

 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Irv

[PBF81]

8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Epenesa, Rousseau, and Oliver arent making impacts on the DL?

 

Seems more like the problem all along was the DC.

 

How were they and the others we had doing at the time that Beane signed Miller?

 

Seriously, you didn't get the context? 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, PBF81 said:

 

They weren't when Beane signed Von Miller. 

 

That was the implication.  

 

 

If you can an elite pass rusher, regardless of what you have, you get him.

 

The Eagles had the 3rd most sacks in NFL history last year.  Who did they draft in the first round this year?  Another pass rusher.  Was that an implication that they had ineffective pass rushers?

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, Irv said:

 

Somebody has to fill the void left by Edmunds.  That being said, I watched the hi-lights.  He seemed to get off the ball quickly, get by his man, then kind of give up and jog once Taylor moved up in the pocket.  It was odd to see him just quit like that.  That's not the kind of payer he is.  Something is definitely wrong.  

 

On the other hand, Epenesa was everywhere second game in a row.  Something has changed with him.  He's an animal now.    

This is his Epenesa's payday year. Pass rushers who produce get paid, and if he keeps this up, he's going to be able to set himself up for life next spring. He won't be on the Bills, though.

[PBF81]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

If you can an elite pass rusher, regardless of what you have, you get him.

 

The Eagles had the 3rd most sacks in NFL history last year.  Who did they draft in the first round this year?  Another pass rusher.  Was that an implication that they had ineffective pass rushers?

 

I don't mind discussing in the original context, but this is an enormous tangent.  

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

I don't mind discussing in the original context, but this is an enormous tangent.  

 

 

No its not lol.  
 

Both teams were in position to take a pass rusher as a high investment and both took it.  

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, Heavy Kevi said:

Wimpy, defeatist mindsets.

Why you gotta bring me into this bro?

[PayDaBill$]

Not really up on the cap consequences of Von’s contract.  I’m afraid we have an aging commodity that’s quickly nearing the max age for a DL in this league.  He’s looking close to pedestrian if not washed as a difference maker.

 

Can someone please fill me in on the details.

 

Considering our DL’s success without him I’d love to have the $ to allocate elsewhere.

Edited October 16, 2023 by PayDaBill$

[QCity]

11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The Eagles had the 3rd most sacks in NFL history last year.  Who did they draft in the first round this year?  Another pass rusher.  Was that an implication that they had ineffective pass rushers?

 

Drafting a pass rusher and signing one for $120M are two different worlds.

[PBF81]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

No its not lol.  
 

Both teams were in position to take a pass rusher as a high investment and both took it.  

 

Yes, again, way out of context with the original point to which I made the statement.  

 

I know what I commented on, thank you.  

 

😎

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

17 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Drafting a pass rusher and signing one for $120M are two different worlds.

Carter is a top 10 pick.  You’re committed to him for the next 5 years.  The Eagles had other areas they could have used a top 10 pick but they chose a pass rusher.

[TheBrownBear]

Let's give Von more than a handful of snaps over two games coming off an ACL, before we give up on him and declare him "washed."  He was invisible against the Jags, but showed some improvement last night, imo.  He's coming off injury and a lot of time off.  He's going to take a few more weeks to get back up to speed, and he's going to need to play some snaps, even if they are less effective than what AJ or Johnathan are currently giving us, to get there.  If he's still invisible in December, then hit the panic button and begin to think of ways out of his contract.

[papazoid]

at some point, von will be back to elite.

 

but he ain't there yet......looks several weeks away ...minimum

 

mostly used on 3rd downs....he's not bending/driving thru his man towards qb......he's not chasing......at this point, anyone else on the roster is better

[QCity]

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Carter is a top 10 pick.  You’re committed to him for the next 5 years.  The Eagles had other areas they could have used a top 10 pick but they chose a pass rusher.

 

Likely because signing premium position players to cost-effective rookie contracts is highly preferable to spending 5 times as much on the FA market. Also if you aren't shopping for a QB, many GMs go BPA. Carter isn't even making half of Miller's GTD money. Different worlds.

[DrDawkinstein]

50 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

This is his Epenesa's payday year. Pass rushers who produce get paid, and if he keeps this up, he's going to be able to set himself up for life next spring. He won't be on the Bills, though.

 

He better be. We can and should be moving on from contracts like Poyer, Hyde, Morse, etc. Shift some of that money to Epenesa.

 

If we let him walk it's a FO fail.

[MJS]

I was looking for him and he looked OK, but lacking explosiveness. He beat his guy on one play and Tyrod drifted away from him before making a throw (can't remember if it was complete or not).

 

It's going to take a couple of weeks for him to get ramped up.

[BillsFan2313]

40 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Drafting a pass rusher and signing one for $120M are two different worlds.

 

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He better be. We can and should be moving on from contracts like Poyer, Hyde, Morse, etc. Shift some of that money to Epenesa.

 

If we let him walk it's a FO fail.

 

Yep

[Warriorspikes51]

I thought he looked to have a good bit of his explosion off the snap back.  He had a couple plays where he was close to getting to Taylor

 

 

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

washed

 

totally and completely washed. Wasn't a fan of the signing when it happened, am even less so now.

 

This post is NOT going to age well.  

Edited October 16, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Alphadawg7]

Truth:  AJE > Von Miller

 

Maybe it wont be by playoff time, but AJE needs to keep being a big part of the rotation, I really hope he doesn't lose a lot of snaps to Von who takes like a 30 yard path to the QB it feels like at times.  Love Von, but he ain't that guy right now but AJE has been.  

 

The way AJE is playing you gotta keep giving him the reps he is earning and not just take him out for the preseason presumed starter Von, at least until Von shows he can be as good or better than AJE out there.  

[jethro_tull]

when he ran in too early in an uncalled off sides. 

[kota]

he only tries to speed rush around the end.  He doesn't seem able or willing to cut back or try a bull rush.  I would prefer to have Greg Rousseau out there all the time. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

16 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

This post is NOT going to age well.  

 

Odds are in my favor.

 

[SCBills]

He looked more explosive than last week, but he still seems a way off.  

 

Bills have to keep sprinkling him in, because getting him back to pre-injury Von by the time we hit the Playoffs is the goal.

 

However, yes, he's very clearly DE4 .. by a large margin .. behind Rousseau, Floyd & Epenesa.  Good news is that those 3 might be the best pass rushing trio in the NFL.  

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Odds are in my favor.

 

 

Based on what exactly 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Based on what exactly 

 

the fact that he's 893 years old?

 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

the fact that he's 893 years old?

 

You do realize that Bruce Smith and Reggie White both had their best seasons in their mid-late 30's right? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

You do realize that Bruce Smith and Reggie White both had their best seasons in their mid-late 30's right? 

We'll see. I'm fairly confident he's not coming back to his form of even 5 years ago.

 

[boyst]

On 10/9/2023 at 10:02 AM, Freddie's Dead said:

Pro athletes are expected to be available ridiculously quickly after major injuries. You don't recover from an ACL or a broken leg in less than a year. Anyone who expects Von to be 100% before the end of this year or Cookie before the end of 2024 is dreaming. 

Pro athletes are paid and compensated, along with given the world's best care to make that comeback.

 

Bottom line of my point: Miller has no excuse on being 100% once cleared. 

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

Pro athletes are paid and compensated, along with given the world's best care to make that comeback.

 

Bottom line of my point: Miller has no excuse on being 100% once cleared. 

 

I was wondering when you'd chime in on this thread given your vocal irrational hatred for Von

The only way a pro athlete is going to be 100% after injury is to get game reps until they reach that level 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

He’s getting there. Only played 27 snaps, up from 20. It’s his preseason right now.

 

 

 

[BuffaloBill]

On 10/8/2023 at 8:31 PM, ClemsonBills said:

Slow, as expected

 

 

Yeah, he looked very slow and weak.  Not the HOF version of Von.

[BaaadThingsMan]

Not 💯

[stlbills13]

He looks slow. No bend. Taking a very wide route to the backfield so it makes it half look like he's making progress but he's so far outside that the only way he's getting to the QB is if the QB runs into him. 

 

You can't tell much from TV but I think his health isn't quite there and I'm guessing his trust isn't there either. The pass rush can survive without him right now so they can ease him in to be ready for the stretch run. But man that last drive last night is why you bring Von Miller in. One sack and there's not even a threat at the end of the game. 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

28 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

You do realize that Bruce Smith and Reggie White both had their best seasons in their mid-late 30's right? 

Let’s not get carried away with Von Miller he isn’t Bruce Smith or Reggie White he is a tier below those two. Regardless if Von Miller has a Super Bowl or not he isn’t Bruce Smith. Bruce Smith did far more on the football field than just rush the quarterback. Von Miller is now used in special specific blitz packages he is a defensive specialist part time player now. Von Miller is a situational player now in a less violent game. Bruce Smith and Reggie White played in a much tougher era of professional football where you didn’t come in and out like now. It would be like comparing Josh Allen and Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly didn’t play in a NFL when the quarterback was protected like Josh Allen does. Jim Kelly or Dan Marino or Steve Young in today’s pass happy rules there statistics would be scary in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Warriorspikes51]

10 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:

He looks slow. No bend. Taking a very wide route to the backfield so it makes it half look like he's making progress but he's so far outside that the only way he's getting to the QB is if the QB runs into him. 

 

You can't tell much from TV but I think his health isn't quite there and I'm guessing his trust isn't there either. The pass rush can survive without him right now so they can ease him in to be ready for the stretch run. But man that last drive last night is why you bring Von Miller in. One sack and there's not even a threat at the end of the game. 

 

He was close, an OLineman got him in the back, but he was right there 

[wppete]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Might as well sit him the entire year then. If you think he can just sit around and show up at the end of the year in game shape ready to go.
 

I would imagine that the entire goal of playing him now is so that in a month he looks closer to his old self. We have the benefit of not needing him to be a superstar pass rusher right now since we are getting contributions elsewhere.

I think sitting out until week 14 could be good. Gives him 3 weeks to get into playing shape and ready for the playoffs. 

[Saratoga Fan]

37 minutes ago, boyst said:

Pro athletes are paid and compensated, along with given the world's best care to make that comeback.

 

Bottom line of my point: Miller has no excuse on being 100% once cleared. 

Would you say Tre was 100% when cleared? 

[BillsFan2313]

40 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

We'll see. I'm fairly confident he's not coming back to his form of even 5 years ago.

 

 

5 years ago? He had 8.5 sacks before he got hurt last year and was a major force

[Royale with Cheese]

42 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Likely because signing premium position players to cost-effective rookie contracts is highly preferable to spending 5 times as much on the FA market. Also if you aren't shopping for a QB, many GMs go BPA. Carter isn't even making half of Miller's GTD money. Different worlds.

But you’re also getting a “safer” option because the FA is more of a known commodity.  
 

If that draft pick busts, then you have created two problems.  One, not getting anything from the draft pick.  2, you didn’t satisfy another area where you could have.

 

I am not arguing about the money part, you’re absolutely right.  It’s more of the commitment I’m talking about. 
I feel we would have brought on Von Miller even if our DL was very good before he signed.