Around the NFL Week 1

[JerseyBills]

16 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Dear Lord please let Groot show me some of that 👍

According to Dawkins Groot looks amazing,  saying he's going to get 120 million contract and be considered 1 of the best DEs by the end of year. We'll see, he has crazy upside

[Aimee75]

3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

They should be.

 

The last time the Bills played tua, they nearly killed him AND the Bills should have won, given they walked up and down the field against them 

 

Also, silence dolfan 

Tua played in the second rematch in December. It was another close, back and forth, but The Bills won.

 

[newcam2012]

8 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

Not impressed with miami

defense is suspect - offense was playing against air (what was La doing?)

 

afc north looks pathetic 

 

Denver could be a surprise they look competent again

 

 

Not sure how you aren't impressed with Miami s performance. Seems pretty off to me. 

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Ridley reminds me of Diggs. He's going to have a monster year

Surprised me that he had that good of a game after being out for so long. He looked excellent. I thought it would take him a little time to adjust. Nope...

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, Aimee75 said:

Tua played in the second rematch in December. It was another close, back and forth, but The Bills won.

 

you are correct, my bad.

 

6 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Not sure how you aren't impressed with Miami s performance. Seems pretty off to me. 

 

 

I mean he said why in his post.

 

Their defense absolutely, categorically and unequivocally sucks

 

[JerseyBills]

10 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Not sure how you aren't impressed with Miami s performance. Seems pretty off to me. 

Surprised me that he had that good of a game after being out for so long. He looked excellent. I thought it would take him a little time to adjust. Nope...

He looked great in pre season. i picked him in 3rd rd in fantasy, just had a feeling he'd be a beast

[mjt328]

11 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Something about Miami’s offense feels very gimmicky to me. Like there is some element of smoke and mirrors. It doesn’t feel like a team that can win 4 games to win a Super Bowl. They will run into some defense that won’t allow Hill and Waddle to get freebies.

 

Miami had stretches where they looked explosive and uncoverable.  Most of the time it was on medium (10-15 yard) crossing routes, where Tua hit the receiver (mostly Tyreek Hill) at full speed and then he broke away for another 20-25 yards after the catch.  There were a couple other times the Chargers let Hill go deep with no safety help, and got predictable results.

 

However, there were a handful of other plays where Tua badly underthrew his WRs, almost resulting in disaster.  One was the pick in the endzone.  On another, Hill got nailed in the back by the safety.  Anything Tua threw outside the hash marks lacked enough velocity to be completed.  This is the blessing and the curse with Tua.  He's smart and extremely accurate.  But his arm strength just isn't on the same level as the other NFL elite.  Smart defensive coordinators will find ways to clog the middle of the field and limit YAC.  Not sure I would call them a gimmick (they will almost certainly still be a Top 5 offense this season), but they can be limited with the correct gameplan. 

In my opinion, the weakness for Miami is going to be the defense.  It's been proven in the NFL time and again.  It doesn't matter how "good" you are at coaching.  Your players MUST fit the scheme to be successful.  I'm not sure the players on the Dolphins roster fit a Vic Fangio defense.

 

[SCBills]

Week 1 isn’t always indicative of what we’ll see this season, but I went into the season thinking the AFCN was the best division in the NFL.  
 

AFCE showed out, and the Pats, whewww thought they might actually pull that out against the Eagles. 
 

Browns looked tough, but Watson was still meh.  No idea what the Bengals were on.  Ravens won a game they should but suffered two huge injuries.  Steelers showed why preseason doesn’t really matter when making predictions.  
 

AFCW looks like a joke, again.  Raiders/Broncos, whatever.  Chargers, one game in, look to be the pretenders they always are. 
 

Jaguars didn’t look great against a bad Colts team, but the Tannehill Titans don’t exactly look up to the challenge and the Colts/Texans should be 4 auto-wins. 
 

Cowboys & Niners looked bonkers good. 
 

Edited September 11, 2023 by SCBills

[newcam2012]

7 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

you are correct, my bad.

 

 

I mean he said why in his post.

 

Their defense absolutely, categorically and unequivocally sucks

 

You don't account for the Miami's offense having to have a little say in it? Come on let's be honest here. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

You don't account for the Miami's offense having to have a little say in it? Come on let's be honest here. 

 

🙄

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Ridley reminds me of Diggs. He's going to have a monster year

Jags got him for 4th and 5th round picks. 

 

Looks like a steal right now. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Jags got him for 4th and 5th round picks. 

 

Looks like a steal right now. 

They got him for a second.

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

In my opinion, the weakness for Miami is going to be the defense.  It's been proven in the NFL time and again.  It doesn't matter how "good" you are at coaching.  Your players MUST fit the scheme to be successful.  I'm not sure the players on the Dolphins roster fit a Vic Fangio defense.

 

 

Yea. And the linebackers still absolutely suck. Corner isn't that hot without Ramsey either. 

[BarleyNY]

Dawand Jones news. RT Jack Conklin of the Browns got his knee blown out in the first half yesterday. Dawand Jones took over and is expected to start the rest of the season. He did well against the Bengals Sam Hubbard in sloppy conditions. Big challenges for him in upcoming weeks though. It starts with TJ Watt on MNF next week. He will also see David Ojabo and Nick Bosa in the next 4 weeks. 

Edited September 11, 2023 by BarleyNY

[zow2]

Much like the Browns took Baker Mayfield #1 overall and *Should have* taken raw, unproven super athlete Josh Allen...  I think Carolina will regret taking Bryce Young over super raw, big, athletic Anthony Richardson. 

 

Not that Young won't be decent,  but Richardson has the look of a QB that could be really really good in the near future.

[BBFL]

54 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Much like the Browns took Baker Mayfield #1 overall and *Should have* taken raw, unproven super athlete Josh Allen...  I think Carolina will regret taking Bryce Young over super raw, big, athletic Anthony Richardson. 

 

Not that Young won't be decent,  but Richardson has the look of a QB that could be really really good in the near future.

Having just got done watching that Indy/Jax game I think you’re absolutely right. Richardson with as raw and unpolished a QB as he was/is looked really good. Decent decision making and reads. 

[BarleyNY]

52 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Much like the Browns took Baker Mayfield #1 overall and *Should have* taken raw, unproven super athlete Josh Allen...  I think Carolina will regret taking Bryce Young over super raw, big, athletic Anthony Richardson. 

 

Not that Young won't be decent,  but Richardson has the look of a QB that could be really really good in the near future.

 

I just hate the strategy of taking a QB like Bryce Young who has such a low ceiling. If everything works out for the best, then he’s what? Kirk Cousins? Dak Prescott? And you will be stuck with that kind of QB long term unless you have the brass - and ownership buy in - to move on from that. 

 

Give me the high upside guy who can potentially help win a SB. If not, they flame out a you move on. 

[Drew21PA]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Not sure how you aren't impressed with Miami s performance. Seems pretty off to me. 

Surprised me that he had that good of a game after being out for so long. He looked excellent. I thought it would take him a little time to adjust. Nope...

“Vaunted defense” was non existent against the chargers - they have massive problems on defense and were exposed

 

jist so happens the chargers defense decided to not show up

 

Like others have said - like the Baltimore debacle - I’m not buying what the dolphins are selling 

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

You don't account for the Miami's offense having to have a little say in it? Come on let's be honest here. 

Ok no

 

again what about how horrible the dolphins defense was?  Absolutely horrendous 

 

only plus I saw for Miami was McDaniel actually being smart at football game management - that’s it

 

Nothing else was overly impressive 

 

like Baltimore how do you let tyreek behind you that many times ?  Would never happen against a legit defense 

 

That team is overhyped and I’m not buying 

[Goin Breakdown]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

They got him for a second.

When you round to the nearest 100, it's about the same. 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

They got him for a second.

 

It was a 5th rounder in 2023 because he was reinstated but the 2nd rounder depends on him signing a long-term extension.  It can be a 3rd rounder based on playing time.  But that's all because he was suspended indefinitely at the time of the trade.

[Meatloaf63]

14 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

I’d guess that play was mostly a result of Frazier, but we’ll probably find out. 

And injuries.

[Warcodered]

25 minutes ago, Drew21PA said:

jist so happens the chargers defense decided to not show up

No the Chargers defense showed up, they're just terrible.

[newcam2012]

35 minutes ago, Drew21PA said:

“Vaunted defense” was non existent against the chargers - they have massive problems on defense and were exposed

 

jist so happens the chargers defense decided to not show up

 

Like others have said - like the Baltimore debacle - I’m not buying what the dolphins are selling 

Ok no

 

again what about how horrible the dolphins defense was?  Absolutely horrendous 

 

only plus I saw for Miami was McDaniel actually being smart at football game management - that’s it

 

Nothing else was overly impressive 

 

like Baltimore how do you let tyreek behind you that many times ?  Would never happen against a legit defense 

 

That team is overhyped and I’m not buying 

Over hyped by who? The Jets are getting all the hype. 

 

It was a shootout brother. Think about the KC Philly SB or the Bills vs KC 13 sec game. 

 

Both defenses will have better days. 

 

I disagree with your postm

[BBFL]

29 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

No the Chargers defense showed up, they're just terrible.

For a defense having two of the three largest salaries for a defensive player in the league, you would expect better. For that amount of $ you then add Derwin James… Yeah. Very disappointing. 

$69m a year is bonkers for 3 players. With Herbert, those 4 players make up nearly half your amount a year at $120m…

 

🤯🤢

[BuffaloBillyG]

Giant fans are realizing why we were so happy to see Daboll poach Bobby Johnson. Soooo much Bobby Johnson hate. For all the griping about Kromer and Spencer Brown's play... remember it was much worse once upon a time.

[zow2]

Count me in as being impressed w Miami.  All summer when the Jets hype machine was in full gear, I told my Bills friends it's Miami that we should be worried about.  And yesterday did nothing to change my mind.   The only thing that will derail Miami is injuries to their main guys.   If they stay healthy,  the Phins will be in the mix and be a playoff problem for some teams.

Edited September 11, 2023 by zow2

[NewEra]

42 minutes ago, BBFL said:

For a defense having two of the three largest salaries for a defensive player in the league, you would expect better. For that amount of $ you then add Derwin James… Yeah. Very disappointing. 

$69m a year is bonkers for 3 players. With Herbert, those 4 players make up nearly half your amount a year at $120m…

 

🤯🤢

It really is.  After 2 seasons and 1 game, I really I don’t see anything redeeming about qualities about Staley as a HC.  He got the job because he was Aaron Donald’s DC for one season.  He doesn’t call defensive plays and he makes blunder after blunder.  I was very happy when they retained him.

[Chicken Boo]

The Giants should have let Daniel Jones walk and singed a guy like Garopollo. On no planet is he worth $40 mill a season.  

[fergie's ire]

17 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Part of it I do put on his coaching. It doesn't seem he's been taught very much since being drafted. The other part....now understand this comparison I make is NOT talent wise....but he seems to almost have a JP Losman vibe about him. 

He reminds me of Kirk Cousins....or Phillip Rivers.

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

He reminds me of Kirk Cousins....or Phillip Rivers.

Couldn't disagree more on both.

 

Kirk and Rivers are both very verbal...emotional leaders/players. As much as I dislike Kirk and was neutral on Rivers they both have that fire inside. 

 

Herbert is very...beige as far as his play. Like I said, elite physical gifts but doesn't not seem to have that elite drive inside him. He's Buffalo Bills era Kyle Orton if Orton had arm talent. 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

It was a 5th rounder in 2023 because he was reinstated but the 2nd rounder depends on him signing a long-term extension.  It can be a 3rd rounder based on playing time.  But that's all because he was suspended indefinitely at the time of the trade.

Here are the terms per NFL.com

 

“Should Ridley be reinstated past a certain date, the 2023 fifth-round pick will turn into a sixth-rounder, per Rapoport. If Ridley makes the team in 2024, the second pick will be worth at least a fourth-rounder. A playing-time milestone converts the pick into a third-rounder and the Jaguars will give up a 2024 second-round pick if the team strikes a long-term deal with Ridley.”

 

Plus his $11M cap hit this year.

 

They are unable to move their 2024 second, third or fourth right now as they are potentially involved in this trade. Ridley is not under contract in 2024, so they are going to have to pay him or let him walk (and save the picks.) Saying they got him for a “fourth and fifth” is disingenuous.

[newcam2012]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

They got him for a second.

Not bad for what looks like WR1. Can you imagine him on the Bills with Diggs and then Davis could excell as the WR3. Wow. 

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Not bad for what looks like WR1. Can you imagine him on the Bills with Diggs and then Davis could excell as the WR3. Wow. 

No not bad at all, but with the rash of suspensions for gambling over the last 2 years it was hardly a no brainer.

 

Do I wish we traded for Ridley knowing what I know now?

 

Yes.

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

No not bad at all, but with the rash of suspensions for gambling over the last 2 years it was hardly a no brainer.

 

Do I wish we traded for Ridley knowing what I know now?

 

Yes.

Agree. He wouldn't have fit into the Bills high character culture McD has built. 

 

Personally, I think the Ridley suspension was too harsh but I get the NFL has to protect its integrity. 

[fergie's ire]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Couldn't disagree more on both.

 

Kirk and Rivers are both very verbal...emotional leaders/players. As much as I dislike Kirk and was neutral on Rivers they both have that fire inside. 

 

Herbert is very...beige as far as his play. Like I said, elite physical gifts but doesn't not seem to have that elite drive inside him. He's Buffalo Bills era Kyle Orton if Orton had arm talent. 

It's not the details of their playing styles.  To me, Kirk and Rivers both have great stats and great ability...but when you look at their record it's meh.  Always seem to win less than they should.  Yes, part of that is team and coaching...but there also seems to be something missing that is hard to pinpoint.

 

[HappyDays]

 

[delirious]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Incoming Edmunds truthers with their mental gymnastics.

 

"But but but but......."

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

We haven't really thought about it but he's had a pretty good surrounding cast around him in the secondary and Milano.

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, delirious said:

 

Incoming Edmunds truthers with their mental gymnastics.

 

"But but but but......."

 

But we'd probably be slightly more confident with the MLB position if he was still here. And I say this as no fan of Edmunds.

[Captain Hindsight]

19 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

It seems like Herbert is the guy who will always come up just short

 

 

 

 

Won me a couple bucks when I bet on them to suck the second half in Jacksonville in January 

[Captain Hindsight]

6 hours ago, zow2 said:

Much like the Browns took Baker Mayfield #1 overall and *Should have* taken raw, unproven super athlete Josh Allen...  I think Carolina will regret taking Bryce Young over super raw, big, athletic Anthony Richardson. 

 

Not that Young won't be decent,  but Richardson has the look of a QB that could be really really good in the near future.

I would have taken Richardson. Go big or go home. He has huge potential