78thealltimegreat Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 With Von likely do back around late September that leaves an edge spot open on the roster anyone open to a stop gap like Clowney, Clark, or Ngakoue? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) I think it’s necessary. Whoever we sign will have to take near minimums I think, 1 year deals. Bills pulled one of their last cap relief levers with the $2M release of McKenzie. The Bills also need to add a 4th DT. $1.5M for Shaq Lawson $1.5M for Jordan Phillips Edited March 17, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Sure- or Calais Campbell, Justin Houston, Leonard Floyd, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 If only the Texans would release Jerry Hughes... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) Campbell can still play. Frank Clark / Shaq Lawson And then I do think we have a DT need. Beane is talking about adding a larger back, but I don’t think we need an older veteran, low draft pick would be my preference. Spotrac has Bills at $10M in cap space. Edited March 17, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Yes. We've been linked to Yannick previously. He or Floyd would be nice gets. Possibly add a DT as well, extend Daquan and/or Ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Not really interested in Phillips or Lawson. One can’t stay healthy and the other doesn’t provide enough juice given Von may miss time and AJ/Basham can’t really be depended upon to make a jump. If we don’t trade Oliver, just draft a a space eating DT in RD3 or RD4. We have nobody under contract for ‘24. As for EDGE.. unless we’re signing Wagner, I think spending on someone with legit pass rush ability has to be the move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Most definitely need one imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: Not really interested in Phillips or Lawson. One can’t stay healthy and the other doesn’t provide enough juice given Von may miss time and AJ/Basham can’t really be depended upon to make a jump. If we don’t trade Oliver, just draft a a space eating DT in RD3 or RD4. We have nobody under contract for ‘24. As for EDGE.. unless we’re signing Wagner, I think spending on someone with legit pass rush ability has to be the move. So more like Campbell (inside/out) and Frank Clark. I’m just thinking about who will come cheaply. Beane sounded like he didn’t want to push much more into the future. But DT is going to need planning because nobody is under contract after 2024. Edited March 17, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Calais Campbell Can still play. We need some of these types up front. Been through the battles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Was gonna get a veggie pizza, you know, because it’s lent and all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, SCBills said: Not really interested in Phillips or Lawson. One can’t stay healthy and the other doesn’t provide enough juice given Von may miss time and AJ/Basham can’t really be depended upon to make a jump. If we don’t trade Oliver, just draft a a space eating DT in RD3 or RD4. We have nobody under contract for ‘24. As for EDGE.. unless we’re signing Wagner, I think spending on someone with legit pass rush ability has to be the move. I think you’re right. Despite the money challenges, the Bills need to try and improve the talent level rather than defaulting back to who’s been here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 No, I'm up for one (or more) of Rousseau, Basham, Epenesa stepping it up. Most likely Rousseau. And, believe it or not, maybe even Epenesa (who played better and had more QB pressures than folks want to give him credit for, but still has a ways to go). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Hard pass signing one of these guys. But yes, Bills do need another pass rusher opposite Rousseau. Miller returning by October is absolute best case scenario...but at what effectiveness? Unfortunately, and yet again, Beane will need to go DL by day 2 of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 I would rather draft a speed pass-rusher in the middle rounds of the draft. Pass rushers are expensive in the open market and we need that money to add another offensive lineman, safety, and slot receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: With Von likely do back around late September that leaves an edge spot open on the roster anyone open to a stop gap like Clowney, Clark, or Ngakoue? Justin Houston Ingraham seems like they both have juice in em and played for 3 & 4m last year. unreal bargain 4 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said: I would rather draft a speed pass-rusher in the middle rounds of the draft. Pass rushers are expensive in the open market and we need that money to add another offensive lineman, safety, and slot receiver. we should def add another somewhere after the 3rd rd, depending on how our draft goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: I like Campbell a lot as a Shaq replacement. There you go again … spending more money on D whilst Josh got no weapons.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 It's just hard to believe we are even having this conversation with all the draft capital and FA money invested on the Dline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Lawson for the right deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 draft Nolan Smith in the first and sign another vet oline men. Old edge guys that are cheap are cheap for a reason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: There you go again … spending more money on D whilst Josh got no weapons.. Draft a guy Let’s get some offensive work done here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: With Von likely do back around late September that leaves an edge spot open on the roster anyone open to a stop gap like Clowney, Clark, or Ngakoue? Took some nerve to start this thread with this crowd, I'll give you that. 2024 DL under contract. Von Miller Greg Rousseau Carlos Basham Kingsley Jonathan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 37 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said: It's just hard to believe we are even having this conversation with all the draft capital and FA money invested on the Dline I agree, but If the invest fails you can’t just keep beating your head against the wall, you have to reinvest and try something else. Those failed draft picks are a sunk cost. It sucks, but its a crapshoot. 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Took some nerve to start this thread with this crowd, I'll give you that. 2024 DL under contract. Von Miller Greg Rousseau Carlos Basham Kingsley Jonathan Total 100% sneaky need. They ain’t drafting a guard in the first round I can tell you that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: With Von likely do back around late September that leaves an edge spot open on the roster anyone open to a stop gap like Clowney, Clark, or Ngakoue? Late September? More like late November/December. Trey White had tough time after a year of rehab and seamed to have lost a step at age 26 last season, Von Miller is 33 years old and most likely will need additional rehab time. We will need help between September of next season through December, hope our D-line can step up if nothing happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 6 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: With Von likely do back around late September that leaves an edge spot open on the roster anyone open to a stop gap like Clowney, Clark, or Ngakoue? Well, Miller is claiming he'll be back for the season, We'll See. IMO, the signing we may need is a 3TDT. The only one on the roster is Ed Oliver. If we get someone who can play both outside and in, that'd be good. If we're getting more pressure up the middle, it will give more chances to the DE we already have invested multiple #1 and #2 draft picks on. 43 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said: It's just hard to believe we are even having this conversation with all the draft capital and FA money invested on the Dline I know, I know. It comes from McDermott's rather fierce insistence in a rotation on DL. If the coaches take the view that the team must have 8 quality DLmen, it has the impact of requiring massive resources on DL in terms of draft picks and FA investment. It means we need to have 8 guys who are starting quality instead of 4 guys who are Beasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I agree, but If the invest fails you can’t just keep beating your head against the wall, you have to reinvest and try something else. Those failed draft picks are a sunk cost. It sucks, but its a crapshoot. Total 100% sneaky need. They ain’t drafting a guard in the first round I can tell you that. Just stating a fact. TSW's server room would set off the sprinklers. I know it's inert gas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I agree, but If the invest fails you can’t just keep beating your head against the wall, you have to reinvest and try something else. Those failed draft picks are a sunk cost. It sucks, but its a crapshoot. Total 100% sneaky need. They ain’t drafting a guard in the first round I can tell you that. Could we draft a TE or a WR, please? Pretty please with sugar on it? 5 hours ago, I am the egg man said: Was gonna get a veggie pizza, you know, because it’s lent and all. It's St Paddy's day. Go for the Corned Beef and Cabbage. It's OK for Lent if you sprinkle it with Holy Water and chant "you were born a steer...you were raised a steer...and Now You're A Fish!" Edited March 17, 2023 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Beck Water said: Could we draft a TE or a WR, please? Pretty please with sugar on it? I'll take a WR please. The DL will have to be addressed big time next year no matter what happened in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Could we draft a TE or a WR, please? Pretty please with sugar on it? It's St Paddy's day. Go for the Corned Beef and Cabbage. It's OK for Lent if you sprinkle it with Holy Water and chant "you were born a steer...you were raised a steer...and Now You're A Fish!" If I were a betting man, which I am not, I think its LB, Edge, WR or TE with a small chance a DT. It doesn’t matter where the offensive weapon comes from as long as there is a plan for him to be on the field. They aren’t going to draft RT in the first round to compete with Spencer Brown. It’s not happening. And they are not drafting a guard. Zero shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: If I were a betting man, which I am not, I think its LB, Edge, WR or TE with a small chance a DT. It doesn’t matter where the offensive weapon comes from as long as there is a plan for him to be on the field. They aren’t going to draft RT in the first round to compete with Spencer Brown. It’s not happening. And they are not drafting a guard. Zero shot. I'm not sure who you're debating with, but as far as I know, I haven't lobbied for drafting a G in the 1st. I would like to see us bring in a RT in FA, not a Big Shot guy but if possible, someone a bit better than Quessenberry who can challenge Brown. LB or Edge would make me very sad after the high-value picks used on these positions recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 42 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Took some nerve to start this thread with this crowd, I'll give you that. 2024 DL under contract. Von Miller Greg Rousseau Carlos Basham Kingsley Jonathan That Chicago game was like,,,Who the hell was that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) Robert Quinn. 32. 1 sack last year….18.5 the year before. Put him in rotation. If he’s healthy, maybe you get good sack production Melvin Ingram. 33. Bills killer. Doubt he’d come here though. The guy has obliterated our Oline with PIT, KC and MIA Leonard Floyd. 30. 9 or more sacks each of the last 3 seasons. Was very effective playing with Von on LA Yannick Ngakoue. 27. 19.5 sacks over last 2 seasons. Likely too expensive Frank Clark. 29. 3rd all time in playoff sacks. Likely out of our price range It’s discouraging to not notice Epenesa or Basham for the majority of games. Personally, I’d like to add 2 veteran pass rushers to go along with Von and Greg Edited March 18, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 I don't expect or want a big $ solution unless it's an elite talent under age 27. I'm still hoping for a big upgrade on the OL in FA. Also, Devon Levi signs with the Sabres! Super excited to see him play. I don't know if he'll excel right away, but I think his future is very bright. He's exactly what we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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