Orlando Brown signs with Bengals

[Success]

3 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I don't like it either, but if there's a silver lining, it's that it just got that much harder to keep Tee Higgins.

 

Cincy will have a similar situation to ours - but they have another year or 2 before that happens.

 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

Because they just replaced him with another top level OT.

They just replaced him with a top level right tackle he has never played left tackle

[McBean]

Hey look, your AFC runner ups signing legit players to help their star QB…not special teamers and backup linemen.

 

 

 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

Because they just replaced him with another top level OT.

 

A RT who gave up 6 sacks last year. 

[Airseven]

13 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Never understood the hype with Brown.  Seems slightly better than average to me 

Well sure, because he signed with the Bengals.
 

If he signed with the Bills, you’d be doing nude cartwheels. 

[97bills]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m just gonna say that we’re not done yet
 

The ol was not horrible. It just wasn’t good enough. We’re not replacing every player on this line.

 

Dion Dawkins is not being replaced

Mitch Morse is not being replaces

Ryan Bates is not being replacd

Spencer Brown is probably not being replaced, although we should draft competition

 

I don’t think we’re done, but some of this might come through the draft

 

I think right out the gate immediately Connor McGovern is better than Rodger Saffold

The OL was pretty bad last season.. 

[DCbillsfan]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I think Dawkins - Bates - Morse - McGovern - Brown can be a decent OL, but it’s extremely frustrating that Mahomes got wrecked one time in the SB and they say never again.  Burrow gets beat up for a year .. never again.  
 

Allen, bottom tier OL all season, beat up, affecting his pocket presence.. literally damaged his throwing elbow… 

 

So far.. Connor McGovern … and then I have to hear Sal talk about Bills being high on a TE like Kincaid in RD1 …. FOH with that… OL or WR.  This shouldn’t be so difficult.   
 

Sal C has been drinking too much cool aid.  The other day he was talking up how Barkley could be qb2 and going nonstop for a few minutes.  Then going on about Dodson could be Edmunds replacement.  Turned it off both times.  Just absurd takes.  I'm really wanting an OL guy in the draft.

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m just gonna say that we’re not done yet
 

The ol was not horrible. It just wasn’t good enough. We’re not replacing every player on this line.

 

Dion Dawkins is not being replaced

Mitch Morse is not being replaces

Ryan Bates is not being replacd

Spencer Brown is probably not being replaced, although we should draft competition

 

I don’t think we’re done, but some of this might come through the draft

 

I think right out the gate immediately Connor McGovern is better than Rodger Saffold

It was horrible.  They were bottom third for any outlets that measures performance. 
 

Saffold was legit a one man wrecking crew, so McGovern at RG, with Bates moving back to LG, makes two positions better.  Dawkins need to rebound and play like he still wants to be a LT.  Morse is very good.   Brown.. no idea..

 

Ideally (if we don’t make any FA moves) we draft a RT at 27 and Brown develops as the swing tackle if he doesn’t step up.  Then draft a G/C to compete with Bates.  

[John from Riverside]

Just now, 97bills said:

The OL was pretty bad last season.. 

The office of line was not terrible last season

 

You don’t go 13 and three, whenever you have a sub standard offensive line I don’t care how good your quarterback is

 

They’re just not as good as we want them to be Saffold was a turnstile playing next to S saffold was probably a pain in the ass for the left tackle

 

From left tackle to center We are definitely better than we were last year just by moving Bates over.

 

 

[CDogg20]

Lots of Chiefs fans seem very happy to have this kid gone. 
 

Most things i’m reading go along the lines of “this kid had Mahomes running for his life, only good game was the SB” 

 

 

on the flip side I see lots of Bengal fans saying “still better than anything we’ve had for a while” 

[JohnNord]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m just gonna say that we’re not done yet
 

The ol was not horrible. It just wasn’t good enough. We’re not replacing every player on this line.

 

Dion Dawkins is not being replaced

Mitch Morse is not being replaces

Ryan Bates is not being replacd

Spencer Brown is probably not being replaced, although we should draft competition

 

I don’t think we’re done, but some of this might come through the draft

 

I think right out the gate immediately Connor McGovern is better than Rodger Saffold

I agree McGovern will be better than Saffold, but again this move pales in comparison to how KC and CIN attempted to address their OL.  I would have liked a better player at guard like Seumalo or Powers.  
 

Brown is just not very good.  I think the Bills are putting too much hope in him.  You mentioned “drafting competition,” like who?  Tommy Doyle? 
 

We’ll see what the final OL room looks like, but without investing significant resources on the OL, you end up with a unit like last season

[JerseyBills]

They lost 4-6 defensive starters 

 

 

[78thealltimegreat]

6 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Cincy will have a similar situation to ours - but they have another year or 2 before that happens.

 

They are in really rough shape in the next two years Burrow will get 55-60 mill a year…Higgens will get around 25 mill a year…and Chase is probably going to be the first 30 mill a year receiver…your talking over a hundred million of your cap for 3 players 

[Airseven]

Johnny Rivers is working overtime with the spin tonight. Just wait until Rodgers to Jets is official. He’ll literally be writing a fiction novel on here.

[John from Riverside]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

The line has been bad since AFC championship game 2020… Beane continues to patch it together with questionable additions while Chiefs/Bengals go no doubter signings…. The problem(and one that continues) is McBeane love their own defensive guys way too much and do what a lot to keep them together…. The same guys who get their ***** blown off every year in the playoffs.

Translation, do you think the name on the back of the jersey is more important than their actual production on the field?
 

Point in case Kansas City, just let go of their left tackle and allowed him to sign somewhere else

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

I agree McGovern will be better than Saffold, but again this move pales in comparison to how KC and CIN attempted to address their OL.  I would have liked a better player at guard like Seumalo or Powers.  
 

Brown is just not very good.  I think the Bills are putting too much hope in him.  You mentioned “drafting competition,” like who?  Tommy Doyle? 
 

We’ll see what the final OL room looks like, but without investing significant resources on the OL, you end up with a unit like last season

Brown is what is recovering from a back injury
 

We should draft competition for him. No one is saying we should go into the season with Tommy Doyle.

[Doc]

Brown looks like the kind of guy who will coast once he gets the big money deal.

[Billznut]

24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure McBeane will ever see it this way. 

Exactly. Not with McD ultimately running the organization. Defense will always come first. 

[Solomon Grundy]

23 minutes ago, arcane said:

Brown sucks

Darnell Walker would look good competing for his starting position

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

6 minutes ago, CDogg20 said:

Lots of Chiefs fans seem very happy to have this kid gone. 
 

Most things i’m reading go along the lines of “this kid had Mahomes running for his life, only good game was the SB” 

 

 

on the flip side I see lots of Bengal fans saying “still better than anything we’ve had for a while” 

 

So they're like our fans once a player leaves and hates on the guy.

[Governor]

3 minutes ago, Billznut said:

Exactly. Not with McD ultimately running the organization. Defense will always come first. 

There’s only one way to fix that.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Bengals spending to surround Joe Burrow at the expense of defense. Complete opposite of the Bills.

[JohnNord]

22 minutes ago, CDogg20 said:

The sad thing is, that’s debatable 🤣 

 

I do like Morse but am sooo glad Saffold is gone. Bates should be first man off the bench in my opinion. I’m hoping we have a wood levitre type draft though. 

I actually think they’d like Bates off the bench.  The problem is they paid him a starter’s contract to keep him on the team.  So either he has to be really bad that he gets benched or Ike Boettger has to be really good.  

[HappyDays]

16 minutes ago, CDogg20 said:

Lots of Chiefs fans seem very happy to have this kid gone. 
 

Most things i’m reading go along the lines of “this kid had Mahomes running for his life, only good game was the SB” 

 

Chiefs fans are delusional about Orlando Brown. A Chiefs fan that likes to troll on here said the Chiefs had "one of the worst starting tackle duos in the NFL." No clue what they're watching. He's a great player. What happens sometimes is Mahomes drifts back in the pocket which makes it harder for his tackles to wash their pass rusher out of the play. And I guess Chiefs fans blame Orlando Brown for that? Anyways, Burrow won't have this problem. The Bengals may have just a turned a weakness of their offense into a strength.

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by HappyDays

[Solomon Grundy]

15 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

We think alike.  My problem is that unlike CIN and KC who proactively put a lot of resources in their crappy OL’s, the Bills seem content to hope that last years line will get better.

 

Replacing Saffold for McGovern should help but is that really enough?  And does anyone actually think Spencer Brown is suddenly going to be a great RT after two largely below average seasons?  

I'd like to see competition for Mitch Morse spot too

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Translational: I’m a homer. 

And special teams… then offense

Excuse me, but 1 Orlando Brown can buy you a Tyler Matakevich, Siran Neal, Deonte Harty and Connor McGovern. 

[Franco_92]

4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Darnell Walker would look good competing for his starting position

I mean orlando

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Translation, do you think the name on the back of the jersey is more important than their actual production on the field?
 

Point in case Kansas City, just let go of their left tackle and allowed him to sign somewhere else

Brown is what is recovering from a back injury
 

We should draft competition for him. No one is saying we should go into the season with Tommy Doyle.

I’m bringing up Tommy Doyle because

that’s usually the level of play you can expect from a mid-round rookie draft pick.  
 

Do you really think that a rookie tackle is going to be the type of player that pushes Brown?  Unless he’s a first round draft pick… I don’t.  

[Big Blitz]

34 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I’m starting to get concerned with the Bills offensive line when compared to the other two top rivals in the AFC. When it became painfully obvious they needed to upgrade their OL, here’s what they did.  

 

Kansas City - paid big money for Joe Thuney (best guard available) and Orlando Brown and also drafted Creed Humphrey last season.  This season they signed Jawan Taylor who was arguably the best tackle available in free agency.

 

Cincinnati - last season signed one of the top RT’s in FA La’el Collins as well as two FA guards in Karras and Kappa to decent contracts.   This season they went out and signed Brown.  
 

Buffalo - signed Connor McGovern to a decent contract.  Returning 4/5 staters.  
 

I’m very much concerned about the Bills OL

 

Then you want better run blockers and that means an overhaul.  
 

This regime covets pass blocking more.  
 

I disagree with it fundamentally - although it’s a passing league - we PLAY IN BUFFALO

[CDogg20]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Chiefs fans are delusional about Orlando Brown. A Chiefs fan that likes to troll us on here said the Chiefs had "one of the worst starting tackle duos in the NFL." No clue what they're watching. He's a great player. What happens sometimes is Mahomes drifts back in the pocket which makes it harder for his tackles to wash their pass rusher out of the play. Burrow won't have this problem. The Bengals may have just a turned a weakness of their offense into a strength.

Chiefs line was a definite strength of that team. If, IF, the tackles were the worst of their line, its amazing what having an elite interior does for a line. 

[JohnNord]

2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I'd like to see competition for Mitch Morse spot too

Morse isn’t perfect but you can argue he probably was their best lineman last season

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Bengals spending to surround Joe Burrow at the expense of defense. Complete opposite of the Bills.

They probably watched the Super Bowl

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, JohnNord said:

Morse isn’t perfect but you can argue he probably was their best lineman last season

Be a short argument, he is their best lineman.

[John from Riverside]

Just now, JohnNord said:

I’m bringing up Tommy Doyle because

that’s usually the level of play you can expect from a mid-round rookie draft pick.  
 

Do you really think that a rookie tackle is going to be the type of player that pushes Brown?  Unless he’s a first round draft pick… I don’t.  

I’m not positive that it’s going to be a mid round draft pick they gets brought up in the draft
 

That’s actually the reason why I am concerned that we have not signed a veteran linebacker. I don’t want to use that number 27 on a linebacker I would rather draft a lineman.

 

I don’t think we’re done on the o line

 

I think we’re bargain shopping because we don’t have money. Eventually, the chairs are going to be filled with people and the music is going to stop 

[CDogg20]

Just now, JohnNord said:

Morse isn’t perfect but you can argue he probably was their best lineman last season

Agree, I think if you give the man solid guards next to him he suddenly will look better

[Beck Water]

6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

No I just don’t think the Bills are doing enough to protect their QB.  Look what they’ve invested on the OL the past two seasons compared to CIN and KC.  Do you disagree?

 

Fundamentally, I'll put it up front - I don't disagree.  I thought so last season, and so far this season I still think so.

 

It does have to be said that the Bills OL is probably better than what KC went into the 2020 Superbowl with and what the Bengals had in 2021. 

 

And, the Bills thought they did an OL reboot in 2019 after they sucked big gobs in 2018.  The problem is that their efforts/expenditures haven't borne the desired results.  Cody Ford in the 2nd to play RT - Bzzzzt.  Signed Quinton Spain in 2019 - played LG well enough that they gave him a good contract, and he turned into a mouthy turnstile in 2020.  Moved Cody Ford to G and signed Daryl Williams to play RT in 2020, Williams looked good so they gave him a good contract and he showed up in 2021 sufficiently "lost in space" that they moved him to G and threw 3rd round pick Spencer Brown into the fire where he promptly injured his back, requiring off season surgery.

 

So it's not so much that they haven't tried to make investments, both in draft picks (2019 2nd and 2021 3rd) and in FA signed (Morse, Williams) but that they haven't gotten enough ROI.

 

Overall though, the bottom line is that they aren't doing enough.  Also, I haven't sat down and done the grind of draft pick values and FA signing values, but my impression is that the OL is still the "red headed stepchild" relative to the DL and defense.   It seems as though on DL, when they haven't gotten the desired ROI, they simply throw more resources at it.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Insane… and sad.

The real question is, why would you spend that whenever you have Dawkins

 

There is nothing wrong with Deion. 

[Solomon Grundy]

4 minutes ago, arcane said:

I mean orlando

Haha, I thought you were talking about Spencer 😂😂😂

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Bengals spending to surround Joe Burrow at the expense of defense. Complete opposite of the Bills.

 

All of our free agent spending so far has been on offense, not counting Poyer. We just haven't made any splash moves yet. I'm keeping my fingers crossed we still make a big move for a receiver (Jeudy, Hopkins, or OBJ, in that order of preference). Or failing that I would still take Seumalo as a big upgrade at guard and then let Bates and McGovern battle it out for the other spot. We still have enough cap space to make an impact offensive signing at some position IMO.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, CDogg20 said:

Agree, I think if you give the man solid guards next to him he suddenly will look better

Barring the recurring concussions

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The real question is, why would you spend that whenever you have Dawkins

 

There is nothing wrong with Deion. 

Dawkins was pretty meh last year.   First year with Kromer and a walking disaster next to him at LG … he needs to be better this year. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, SCBills said:

Dawkins was pretty meh last year.   First year with Kromer and a walking disaster next to him at LG … he needs to be better this year. 

if I was the bills that have somebody checking in on him to make sure that he’s not getting overly fat it doesn’t help whenever he comes into camp out of shape