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Just now, JohnNord said:

Morse isn’t perfect but you can argue he probably was their best lineman last season

Agree, I think if you give the man solid guards next to him he suddenly will look better

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6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

No I just don’t think the Bills are doing enough to protect their QB.  Look what they’ve invested on the OL the past two seasons compared to CIN and KC.  Do you disagree?

 

Fundamentally, I'll put it up front - I don't disagree.  I thought so last season, and so far this season I still think so.

 

It does have to be said that the Bills OL is probably better than what KC went into the 2020 Superbowl with and what the Bengals had in 2021. 

 

And, the Bills thought they did an OL reboot in 2019 after they sucked big gobs in 2018.  The problem is that their efforts/expenditures haven't borne the desired results.  Cody Ford in the 2nd to play RT - Bzzzzt.  Signed Quinton Spain in 2019 - played LG well enough that they gave him a good contract, and he turned into a mouthy turnstile in 2020.  Moved Cody Ford to G and signed Daryl Williams to play RT in 2020, Williams looked good so they gave him a good contract and he showed up in 2021 sufficiently "lost in space" that they moved him to G and threw 3rd round pick Spencer Brown into the fire where he promptly injured his back, requiring off season surgery.

 

So it's not so much that they haven't tried to make investments, both in draft picks (2019 2nd and 2021 3rd) and in FA signed (Morse, Williams) but that they haven't gotten enough ROI.

 

Overall though, the bottom line is that they aren't doing enough.  Also, I haven't sat down and done the grind of draft pick values and FA signing values, but my impression is that the OL is still the "red headed stepchild" relative to the DL and defense.   It seems as though on DL, when they haven't gotten the desired ROI, they simply throw more resources at it.

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7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Bengals spending to surround Joe Burrow at the expense of defense. Complete opposite of the Bills.

 

All of our free agent spending so far has been on offense, not counting Poyer. We just haven't made any splash moves yet. I'm keeping my fingers crossed we still make a big move for a receiver (Jeudy, Hopkins, or OBJ, in that order of preference). Or failing that I would still take Seumalo as a big upgrade at guard and then let Bates and McGovern battle it out for the other spot. We still have enough cap space to make an impact offensive signing at some position IMO.

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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The real question is, why would you spend that whenever you have Dawkins

 

There is nothing wrong with Deion. 


Dawkins was pretty meh last year.   First year with Kromer and a walking disaster next to him at LG … he needs to be better this year. 

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Just now, SCBills said:


Dawkins was pretty meh last year.   First year with Kromer and a walking disaster next to him at LG … he needs to be better this year. 


if I was the bills that have somebody checking in on him to make sure that he’s not getting overly fat it doesn’t help whenever he comes into camp out of shape

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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

All of our free agent spending so far has been on offense, not counting Poyer. We just haven't made any splash moves yet. I'm keeping my fingers crossed we still make a big move for a receiver (Jeudy, Hopkins, or OBJ, in that order of preference). Or failing that I would still take Seumalo as a big upgrade at guard and then let Bates and McGovern battle it out for the other spot. We still have enough cap space to make an impact offensive signing at some position IMO.


“All of our FA spending not counting Poyer”

 

Weve re-signed a ST Ace, Punter, Safety, tendered a CB and then signed a Guard to replace Saffold and decided to throw 3M at McKenzie’s replacement. 

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5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The real question is, why would you spend that whenever you have Dawkins

 

There is nothing wrong with Deion. 

Dion was inconsistent as it gets last season… and the dudes a fat blob…. Wouldn’t count on him maintaining a high level of play too much longer.

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3 minutes ago, SCBills said:


“All of our FA spending not counting Poyer”

 

Weve re-signed a ST Ace, Punter, Safety, tendered a CB and then signed a Guard to replace Saffold and decided to throw 3M at McKenzie’s replacement. 

They haven’t really spent that much

Just now, ScottLaw said:

The funny thing is McBeane probably see this signing as an reason to blow their wad on an edge rusher in FA or in the first round.😅


I would not be shocked to see LB/DE in Round 1.  It’s probably my biggest fear

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1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

They haven’t really spent that much


I would not be shocked to see LB/DE in Round 1.  It’s probably my biggest fear

They can’t resist…  It is how they think. Too much ex Carolina Panther influence 

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1 minute ago, SCBills said:


“All of our FA spending not counting Poyer”

 

Weve re-signed a ST Ace, Punter, Safety, tendered a CB and then signed a Guard to replace Saffold and decided to throw 3M at McKenzie’s replacement. 

 

I guess I don't factor in small money re-signings. But that's the point. We haven't really done much at all in free agency. Our two biggest new contracts are just a $3.7 million and a $4 million cap hit in 2023. I always thought that we would end up with enough cap space to make one splash move on offense and fill in our other holes with small to moderate sized deals. As of right now that's still what I expect. The only glaring hole still on the roster is MLB.

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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I guess I don't factor in small money re-signings. But that's the point. We haven't really done much at all in free agency. Our two biggest new contracts are just a $3.7 million and a $4 million cap hit in 2023. I always thought that we would end up with enough cap space to make one splash move on offense and fill in our other holes with small to moderate sized deals. As of right now that's still what I expect. The only glaring hole still on the roster is MLB.


I’m also expecting one big move/trade.  
 

Watching the Chiefs and Bengals play musical top tier Tackles while we wait isn’t ideal. 

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11 minutes ago, SCBills said:


I’m also expecting one big move/trade.  
 

Watching the Chiefs and Bengals play musical top tier Tackles while we wait isn’t ideal. 

Where do you expect the money for this diving into the musical chairs to come from?
 

We only had so much money to begin with the GM is a master of the cap but there’s still a cap

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21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

All of our free agent spending so far has been on offense, not counting Poyer. We just haven't made any splash moves yet. I'm keeping my fingers crossed we still make a big move for a receiver (Jeudy, Hopkins, or OBJ, in that order of preference). Or failing that I would still take Seumalo as a big upgrade at guard and then let Bates and McGovern battle it out for the other spot. We still have enough cap space to make an impact offensive signing at some position IMO.

My post was based on multiple years.

 

McGovern and Harty don’t really push the needle to surrounding Josh with talent.

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