Orlando Brown signs with Bengals

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, H2o said:

 

Go be a Jets fan, or a Bengals fan, or a Chiefs fan, or a Dolphins fan. We've had people jump ship before. It makes for less misery around here. 

 

I swear. It's March 16th and people around here every time another team makes a move or we don't make a move the armchair GM's want. 

I agree with him. I've been a Bills' fan for over fifty years. You gonna tell me to go root for another team, tough guy? Your sarcasm is completely out of place. 

[SCBills]

11 minutes ago, H2o said:

 

Go be a Jets fan, or a Bengals fan, or a Chiefs fan, or a Dolphins fan. We've had people jump ship before. It makes for less misery around here. 

 

I swear. It's March 16th and people around here every time another team makes a move or we don't make a move the armchair GM's want. 

Fans like myself have, for the past few years, talked about us not doing enough on Offense and over-investing on a defense that is a regular season paper tiger. 
 

Bills are a really good team.   I’ve been a fan my whole life, that will never change. 
 

Some of us are just realistic.  We seem to be the ones who have been correct more often than not.   Really good team that hasn’t done what is needed to overtake KC and now CIN when it matters.   Also, a team that has yet to get the 1 seed.  
 

Things are fluid.  One move can change an entire outlook.. so far, it’s been a lot of the same philosophy.  
 

I like the McGovern signing.  I like the Harty signing, if he’s replacing McKenzie.  Everything else .. meh.  I don’t hate Poyer coming back, but if re-signing him and Matakevich prevents us from signing another OL or WR.. yea, don’t love it.  We also have no business paying Ed Oliver 10M this year.   Not when we literally witnessed Allen get hurt for half the season and be under siege quite a bit.  

 

Edited March 16 by SCBills

[H2o]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Fans like myself have, for the past few years, talked about us not doing enough on Offense and over-investing on a defense that is a regular season paper tiger. 
 

Bills are a really good team.   I’ve been a fan my whole life, that will never change. 
 

Some of us are just realistic.  We seem to be the ones who have been correct more often than not.   Really good team that hasn’t done what is needed to overtake KC and now CIN when it matters.   Also, a team that has yet to get the 1 seed.  
 

Things are fluid.  One move can change an entire outlook.. so far, it’s been a lot of the same philosophy.  
 

I like the McGovern signing.  I like the Harty signing, if he’s replacing McKenzie.  Everything else .. meh.  I don’t hate Poyer coming back, but if re-signing him and Matakevich prevents us from signing another OL or WR.. yea, don’t love it.  We also have no business paying Ed Oliver 10M this year.   Not when we literally witnessed Allen get hurt for half the season and be under siege quite a bit.  

 

I'm realistic as well and have been a fan for over 30 years. I know we have work to do and I'm not lost in blind homerism in any way. There are moves I don't agree with also. But in the end, the endless whining and misery that gets plastered all over the place around here over every move another team makes, or the ones we do or don't make, can be a bit ridiculous. That's what I'm getting at. 

[CorkScrewHill]

9 hours ago, Airseven said:

Well sure, because he signed with the Bengals.
 

If he signed with the Bills, you’d be doing nude cartwheels. 

And if he signed with the Bills you would say he sucked and we overspent. What is your team doing that is so much better?

[MrEpsYtown]

I think fans feel let down because they aren't willing to accept that this team believes in Spencer Brown, Gabe Davis, and Ryan Bates. They believe Dion Dawkins is a left tackle. They signed Harty and McGovern because they believe they upgrade the team, whether we do or not is irrelevant. 

 

People keep talking about holes on the OL, moving Dion, and needing a #2 receiver...the bottom line is that McBeane appears to believe in these guys so they aren't looking for their replacements. So if our analysis doesn't match theirs, well then we will be disappointed. I'm not saying anyone is necessarily right or wrong. Are they going to sign some D linemen half the board has never heard of? Probably. Are they going to use their first pick in the draft on defense? Maybe. It's why they are where they are and I am sitting in front of a Chromebook writing this instead of working. 

 

This doesn't mean that they won't add, but they don't seem to have the same priorities as us, and well, they run the ship. 

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, H2o said:

I'm realistic as well and have been a fan for over 30 years. I know we have work to do and I'm not lost in blind homerism in any way. There are moves I don't agree with also. But in the end, the endless whining and misery that gets plastered all over the place around here over every move another team makes, or the ones we do or don't make, can be a bit ridiculous. That's what I'm getting at. 

I get it. That’s fair.  
 

I applauded the McGovern signing.  
 

I defended the Harty signing (if he’s a McKenzie replacement). 
 

Those two moves were solid. 
 

For me, the crux hinges on Ed Oliver.   I came into the off-season thinking we should let Edmunds and Poyer walk & Trade Oliver.  Frazier is gone, it’s time to re-tool the defense and invest on Offense.  
 

Now Poyer is back (and I don’t hate it but I don’t love it) and Oliver’s 10M cap hit is still hanging over us. 
 

And just so you don’t think I’m being ridiculous … I wanted 2 OL and a WR2 in FA, so we don’t have to hope the draft falls to us.  I want to know Allen has what he needs.  
 

LB’s, Safeties and DT’s will all be there for us at 27 and on Day 2. 

[Meatloaf63]

10 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I’m starting to get concerned with the Bills offensive line when compared to the other two top rivals in the AFC. When it became painfully obvious they needed to upgrade their OL, here’s what they did.  

 

Kansas City - paid big money for Joe Thuney (best guard available) and Orlando Brown and also drafted Creed Humphrey last season.  This season they signed Jawan Taylor who was arguably the best tackle available in free agency.

 

Cincinnati - last season signed one of the top RT’s in FA La’el Collins as well as two FA guards in Karras and Kappa to decent contracts.   This season they went out and signed Brown.  
 

Buffalo - signed Connor McGovern to a decent contract.  Returning 4/5 staters.  
 

I’m very much concerned about the Bills OL

Beane didn’t learn his lesson from last year🤦‍♂️more wear and tear on Allen and playoff failure is the future if he doesn’t come up with something. His priorities are still misaligned…

[H2o]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

I get it. That’s fair.  
 

I applauded the McGovern signing.  
 

I defended the Harty signing (if he’s a McKenzie replacement). 
 

Those two moves were solid. 
 

For me, the crux hinges on Ed Oliver.   I came into the off-season thinking we should let Edmunds and Poyer walk & Trade Oliver.  Frazier is gone, it’s time to re-tool the defense and invest on Offense.  
 

Now Poyer is back (and I don’t hate it but I don’t love it) and Oliver’s 10M cap hit is still hanging over us. 
 

And just so you don’t think I’m being ridiculous … I wanted 2 OL and a WR2 in FA, so we don’t have to hope the draft falls to us.  I want to know Allen has what he needs.  
 

LB’s, Safeties and DT’s will all be there for us at 27 and on Day 2. 

We do have some common ground. I wanted us to sign Seumalo and we signed McGovern. I'm good with that as Saffold (the amazing Pro Bowl G) was a turnstile out there. I would love to upgrade from Brown. Darnell Wright from Tennessee in the 2nd would be perfect if it fell that way, or I could even live with Dawand Jones in the 1st. Depending on that, I would be with drafting John Michael Schmitz in the 2nd or Jarrett Patterson (G and C flexibility) in the 4th. 

 

I wanted Jakobi Meyers to be our #2 and wanted us to draft that speedy/shifty guy to work the Slot. Some people disagreed with me. We didn't sign him. We signed Harty, who has shown flashes, but hasn't really done that much. He's the speedy/shifty Slot guy. The numbers shocked me a bit, but it is what it is.

 

Matakevich? Yeah, not sure why they keep handing this guy checks for running down the field 8-10 times a game.

 

I like Poyer, and I'm ok with him being back, but it's just a band aid and we need a long term answer. It's NOT Hamlin either. But Poyer and Hyde together are as good a tandem as any in the league. Still, Father Time is undefeated. 

 

Oliver is a bit perplexing because sometimes he looks great. Others, he vanishes. Some people say it's due to injuries. Others say it's because he's getting played at the 1-tech. I just know it's maddening. I'm good with trading him, especially in light of his idiotic "show me the money" type tweet. Whether it be for a player that we need or a draft pick/picks, I'm good with that. 

 

We have holes. Other teams are improving in some places, but weakening at others. We're not that bad off really, just need this Staff and FO to get things right this time. Kind of similar to what the Chiefs did in the 2021 offseason. They traded for Brown and hit on 3 KEY selections with Bolton, Humphrey, and Smith. Noah Gray has been solid for them in his role as well. We need an offseason where we draft 3 guys who are GOOD right away and a contributor or two otherwise. 

[Mr. WEO]

the Chiefs make a living winning SBs and then dumping O-linemen.

 

Why are poster wailing over a freaking LT going to the Jets?  With or without Rodgers, he won't matter.

[H2o]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

the Chiefs make a living winning SBs and then dumping O-linemen.

 

Why are poster wailing over a freaking LT going to the Jets?  With or without Rodgers, he won't matter.

Bengals my friend. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

Bengals my friend. 

 

what about them?

[H2o]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

what about them?

The LT people are grumbling about, Orlando Brown, the one whom the thread was started about, went to the Bengals. 

Edited March 16 by H2o

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, H2o said:

The LT people are grumbling about, Orlando Brown, the one whom the thread was started about, went to the Bengals. 

lol oops

[ScottLaw]

41 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think fans feel let down because they aren't willing to accept that this team believes in Spencer Brown, Gabe Davis, and Ryan Bates. They believe Dion Dawkins is a left tackle. They signed Harty and McGovern because they believe they upgrade the team, whether we do or not is irrelevant. 

 

People keep talking about holes on the OL, moving Dion, and needing a #2 receiver...the bottom line is that McBeane appears to believe in these guys so they aren't looking for their replacements. So if our analysis doesn't match theirs, well then we will be disappointed. I'm not saying anyone is necessarily right or wrong. Are they going to sign some D linemen half the board has never heard of? Probably. Are they going to use their first pick in the draft on defense? Maybe. It's why they are where they are and I am sitting in front of a Chromebook writing this instead of working. 

 

This doesn't mean that they won't add, but they don't seem to have the same priorities as us, and well, they run the ship. 

Them believing in Davis to be the #2 after three straight years of inconsistent play is just really poor management… I still find it hard to believe they will go into the season with him as the guy opposite Diggs. They can’t be that blind or stubborn… but the way Beane was on the defensive in his end season presser… maybe they are. 
 

And yea you are right. The priorities seem to be different from us…. Also different from the two teams that have eliminated us from the playoffs the last three years. Those guys prioritize the offense. We half step to protect Allen while loading up on defense and special teams whereas the team is absolutely no where without Allen… you’d think they’d learn.

Edited March 16 by ScottLaw

[Saint Doug]

This signing is really meaningless in regards to the Bills. We couldn’t beat their average OL when half of them were injured and we were facing back-ups. So, they sign Brown, but nothing really changes. 

[BillsShredder83]

10 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I’m starting to get concerned with the Bills offensive line when compared to the other two top rivals in the AFC. When it became painfully obvious they needed to upgrade their OL, here’s what they did.  

 

Kansas City - paid big money for Joe Thuney (best guard available) and Orlando Brown and also drafted Creed Humphrey last season.  This season they signed Jawan Taylor who was arguably the best tackle available in free agency.

 

Cincinnati - last season signed one of the top RT’s in FA La’el Collins as well as two FA guards in Karras and Kappa to decent contracts.   This season they went out and signed Brown.  
 

Buffalo - signed Connor McGovern to a decent contract.  Returning 4/5 staters.  
 

I’m very much concerned about the Bills OL

you can only sign what you have to work with. expect us to go to the OL well early and often in the draft. i refuse to believe differently despite the bellyaching around here

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

The best tackle available in free agency was the guy they let go to the Bengals. I still don't understand it. Jawaan Taylor was seen as a RT only in his draft class and that's what he played in Jacksonville. They paid him more than Orlando Brown got to play the opposite side. Far be it from me to question Andy Reid's eye for offensive talent... but it feels like a bad move.

 

certainly smells like he was an idiot they didnt want to deal with or have in lockerroom. pure speculation from me, but what else could it possibly be. browns what 26-27?

[BillsShredder83]

10 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m just gonna say that we’re not done yet
 

The ol was not horrible. It just wasn’t good enough. We’re not replacing every player on this line.

 

Dion Dawkins is not being replaced

Mitch Morse is not being replaces

Ryan Bates is not being replacd

Spencer Brown is probably not being replaced, although we should draft competition

 

I don’t think we’re done, but some of this might come through the draft

 

I think right out the gate immediately Connor McGovern is better than Rodger Saffold

Why?  Pretty logical place to upgrade?  The idea of going to snag a nasty LT, and kick Dawkins inside is really growing on me

[MrEpsYtown]

42 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Them believing in Davis to be the #2 after three straight years of inconsistent play is just really poor management… I still find it hard to believe they will go into the season with him as the guy opposite Diggs. They can’t be that blind or stubborn… but the way Beane was on the defensive in his end season presser… maybe they are. 
 

And yea you are right. The priorities seem to be different from us…. Also different from the two teams that have eliminated us from the playoffs the last three years. Those guys prioritize the offense. We half step to protect Allen while loading up on defense and special teams whereas the team is absolutely no where without Allen… you’d think they’d learn.

 

Yeah, I hold out hope that they are in on OBJ or D Hop. I don't really like the guys in the draft. But with the Harty addition, I suppose they are showing they are trying to add offensive weapons/speed, and with the McGovern addition, they are attempting to upgrade their OL and protect Josh. I agree that they need to upgrade from Davis. I actually like the O line if McGovern winds up on the right with Bates moving to the left. But it is all about Allen. 

 

In terms of KC, they lost their RT and LT and replaced the left tackle they spent some draft capital on with a guy who has never played left tackle in the pros. They signed a journeyman DE with potential to 2 years 20 mil and cut Frank Clark. They also lost Smith-Schuster and Juan Thornhill. They also lost Khalen Saunders who was an important part of their defensive line. I'm sure they will add bandwagon offensive pieces who will take less to play with Mahomes. 

 

The Bengals signed Brown which is a huge upgrade for them, which signals that their 1st round OL was a waste. At the same time, they lost two safeties, one an all-pro, and Perine who was valuable to them. They also lost Hayden Hurst, who was pretty good last year as well. And of course the big elephant in the room is all the free agents they have coming, including the QB. They are also hosting Cody Ford, which is a net negative. They did sign Pratt back, but they have Wilson and Akeem Davis-Gaither waiting in the wings. An argument could be made that they should have used that money on offense. 

 

If you look at it on the surface, the Bills added more to their offense than those other teams. Maybe it's not as high profile, but they are certainly trying to help Josh, the question is, is it enough?   

 

Edited March 16 by MrEpsYtown

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yeah, I hold out hope that they are in on OBJ or D Hop. I don't really like the guys in the draft. But with the Harty addition, I suppose they are showing they are trying to add offensive weapons/speed, and with the McGovern addition, they are attempting to upgrade their OL and protect Josh. I agree that they need to upgrade from Davis. I actually like the O line if McGovern winds up on the right with Bates moving to the left. But it is all about Allen. 

 

In terms of KC, they lost their RT and LT and replaced the left tackle they spent some draft capital on with a guy who has never played left tackle in the pros. They signed a journeyman DE with potential to 2 years 20 mil and cut Frank Clark. They also lost Smith-Schuster and Juan Thornhill. They also lost Khalen Saunders who was an important part of their defensive line. I'm sure they will add bandwagon offensive pieces who will take less to play with Mahomes. 

 

The Bengals signed Brown which is a huge upgrade for them, which signals that their 1st round OL was a waste. At the same time, they lost two safeties, one an all-pro, and Perine who was valuable to them. They also lost Hayden Hurst, who was pretty good last year as well. And of course the big elephant in the room is all the free agents they have coming, including the QB. They are also hosting Cody Ford, which is a net negative. They did sign Pratt back, but they have Wilson and Akeem Davis-Gaither waiting in the wings. An argument could be made that they should have used that money on offense. 

 

If you look at it on the surface, the Bills added more to their offense than those other teams. Maybe it's not as high profile, but they are certainly trying to help Josh, the question is, is it enough?   

 

An arg

 

That's what I was expecting last year, i.e. Bates staying at LG and signing a FA to play RG, and when it was Saffold, making him play RG, but apparently he only wanted to play LG.  McGovern has played RG and isn't a season veteran who can make demands so it better be him at RG.

[CincyBillsFan]

11 hours ago, CDogg20 said:

Lots of Chiefs fans seem very happy to have this kid gone. 
 

Most things i’m reading go along the lines of “this kid had Mahomes running for his life, only good game was the SB” 

 

on the flip side I see lots of Bengal fans saying “still better than anything we’ve had for a while” 

BOTH things can be true here.