Orlando Brown signs with Bengals

[Araiza Curse]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure McBeane will ever see it this way. 

Then he needs to be shown the door. He proved to us that he hasn’t built a team capable of beating Cincinnati. We were getting rolled before Hamlin went down, and proceeded to get ultra rolled in the playoffs. That’s with all the defensive capital that got invested, and we still couldn’t stop them. The only answer now is to go out and get a star WR and draft a bunch of Olinemen. 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Where do you expect the money for this diving into the musical chairs to come from?
 

We only had so much money to begin with the GM is a master of the cap but there’s still a cap

My plan? 

 

Someone will give us a pick for Ed Oliver.  

 

There’s 10M.  
 

Extend Daquan Jones - frees up another couple Mil. 
 

We should probably draft a DT early anyway… Currently none under contract for ‘24. 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, SCBills said:

My plan? 

 

Someone will give us a pick for Ed Oliver.  

 

There’s 10M.  
 

Extend Daquan Jones - frees up another couple Mil. 
 

We should probably draft a DT early anyway… Currently none under contract for ‘24. 

 

 

So I’m in the trade oliver camp to we have to find a willing suitor for that because they’re also taking on a $10 million contract I think that we can find a three tech for less money.

 

If Brandon runs this anything like he did last year, he extends contracts and frees money as he goes

[Richard Noggin]

59 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I don't like it either, but if there's a silver lining, it's that it just got that much harder to keep Tee Higgins.

 

Unfortunately, they'll have an opportunity to trade him for reasonable value. And as the Bills can attest, it really CAN work for both sides: trading a 1st for an emerging WR1 who needs to get paid and then fed, AND getting 1st round+ value FOR that guy you won't be able to re-sign.

• Stefon Diggs has been an all-time franchise great in Buffalo, has been integral in Josh Allen's ascension, and STILL brings an edge to the field that most of his teammates can't match.
• AJ Brown was pretty decent for the Eagles, and I guess we'll see what the Titans make of their draft picks. 
• Devante Adams had high-end production for the Raiders, but needed a HIGH volume to get there. Catch % and 1Ds were WAY down, while Y/R and TDs were up...so maybe he was working downfield considerably more. 
• Tyreek Hill was an effing beast for the Dolphins. Huge jump in production. 
• DeAndre Hopkins definitely had a big first year in Arizona, and since then, when healthy has still been a #1 guy. But age is maybe catching up (which is more likely to be true for a guy who has never been accused of outworking anyone off the field). 

Bottom line? I don't know. It still seems like a decent move to spend draft assets AND big money on a bona fide WR1 in his prime. Nothing helps a QB more than an alpha dawg WR out there who reliably wins his reps and/or forces defenses to over-commit. (Think KC in the 13 seconds game. Davis was repeatedly singled-up, often with a big, flat-footed cushion. No safety help. No 2023 Patrick Peterson insight on Davis's reliance on in-breaking routes. But it was Diggs who created the coverage liability Allen and Davis exploited repeatedly.) 

 

A team would be smart to trade for Higgins after the season. And Cinci would be wise to maximize their return before the player leaves withOUT compensation. 

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

So you’re upset we’re not keeping up with the Joneses

 

The Joneses have been going to (and winning) Super Bowls with their young QBs.

 

 

[pigpen65]

Whipped the Bills's asses with 3 backups and now this?

 

 

 

 

 

[SydneyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m just gonna say that we’re not done yet
 

The ol was not horrible. It just wasn’t good enough. We’re not replacing every player on this line.

 

Dion Dawkins is not being replaced

Mitch Morse is not being replaces

Ryan Bates is not being replacd

Spencer Brown is probably not being replaced, although we should draft competition

 

I don’t think we’re done, but some of this might come through the draft

 

I think right out the gate immediately Connor McGovern is better than Rodger Saffold

 

If they weren't horrible they weren't far from it. We had at least 2 if not 3 turnstiles for good chunks of games.

 

I don't give a flying rats clacker about WR or LB - get me a blue chip IOL and a RT. 

[Limeaid]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

LT was the biggest weakness on their offense so this hurts.

 

However I'm now even more confused about the Chiefs signing Jawaan Taylor to be their LT for a higher AAV than Brown got.

 

Likely inside information on Orlando Brown's issues including mistakes he made which others may have covered, medical issues and fitting in with other teammates.

 

[GreggTX]

Looks like they're serious about winning a SB. They recognize the value of a good OL. We don't. We just shuffle in backups and say "good enough."

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

My plan? 

 

Someone will give us a pick for Ed Oliver.  

 

There’s 10M.  
 

Extend Daquan Jones - frees up another couple Mil. 
 

We should probably draft a DT early anyway… Currently none under contract for ‘24. 

 

 

McKenzie is another $2.3M in cap space as well. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, JohnNord said:

We think alike.  My problem is that unlike CIN and KC who proactively put a lot of resources in their crappy OL’s, the Bills seem content to hope that last years line will get better.

 

Replacing Saffold for McGovern should help but is that really enough?  And does anyone actually think Spencer Brown is suddenly going to be a great RT after two largely below average seasons?  

You knew watching Bills games, that 5-6 times a game, the LDE was going to get a free run at Allen.

 

Allen avoided pressure, but he was constantly having to move. 
 

The Jets game away had to have been horrible for the offensive line, but Brown especially. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, Locomark said:

Dear BB, it’s an offensive arms race now. The Bengals let both of their quality safeties walk just to beef up their offense. Your move now. 

Mike Schop’s response to everything;

 

“Yes but according to the BetQL app, the Bills are still the favorites to win the Super Bowl” so that must mean that’s what’s going to happen.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Looks like they're serious about winning a SB. They recognize the value of a good OL. We don't. We just shuffle in backups and say "good enough."

Too be fair they have about $100 million in future cap space on rookie contracts. QB Burrow, WR Chase, and OT Williams.

 

Beane had his chance to do this but spent his load on middling defensive linemen.

 

 

Edited March 16 by Buffalo_Stampede

[DaggersEOD]

The Bills should be investing in their O-Line like they’ve been investing in their D-Line. 
 

All the picks and FA we’ve dumped there should’ve been used for the O-Line. Now that we’ve finally acknowledged that and are starting to address the O-line as a unit, we need to go all in. 
 

To me, it’s literally the foundation of an O. I would even go so far as to say that AS A UNIT, they are on par w/QB in how much they impact every play. 
 

You can have the MVP behind center w/a HOF RB and WR, but if the line doesn’t give them time/holes to run through, they will struggle. 
 

If you have a HOF O-line, you can win w/JAGS at WR/RB and average QB play. 
 

Putting shiny new Skill players on an O w/out a line is like bolting speed accessories onto an ‘85 Honda. 

[Coach Tuesday]

Folks here don’t like to admit it but the Bengals’ threadbare FO has been running circles around OBD for several offseasons in a row.  They consistently find value and quality in free agency.

[H2o]

I do think this is the year the Bills invest in the OL, I just think it will be through the draft and not in FA. I expect McGovern to be the one, big, FA signing on the OL. They also went out and got that speedy, shifty, deep threat WR they were looking for in FA. The report at the combine was they were looking at those types of guys. I don't believe it completely takes them out of the market if a guy they REALLY like falls into their laps, but I do think it allows them to allocate draft picks to other positions primarily. 

 

The Bengals are putting themselves up against it cap wise. They have Burrow, Chase, and Higgins that will all require contracts in the next couple of seasons. The loss of either of the WR's will definitely have a ripple effect on the offense. Most likely it will be Higgins as the odd man out. They are seeing a bit of an exodus this year with 4 out of 6 guys who played key roles having already signed elsewhere. I don't expect Eli Apple back either. It's why the draft is so important for each team, not just our own. 

[ScottLaw]

57 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

The Bills should be investing in their O-Line like they’ve been investing in their D-Line. 
 

All the picks and FA we’ve dumped there should’ve been used for the O-Line. Now that we’ve finally acknowledged that and are starting to address the O-line as a unit, we need to go all in. 
 

To me, it’s literally the foundation of an O. I would even go so far as to say that AS A UNIT, they are on par w/QB in how much they impact every play. 
 

You can have the MVP behind center w/a HOF RB and WR, but if the line doesn’t give them time/holes to run through, they will struggle. 
 

If you have a HOF O-line, you can win w/JAGS at WR/RB and average QB play. 
 

Putting shiny new Skill players on an O w/out a line is like bolting speed accessories onto an ‘85 Honda. 

Just the way the FO works. Dollar store the offense to make sure the defense gets the necessary assets it needs. 
 

KC and Cincy in particular go all in for their QB… The Bills continue to half step. 

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, H2o said:

I do think this is the year the Bills invest in the OL, I just think it will be through the draft and not in FA. I expect McGovern to be the one, big, FA signing on the OL. They also went out and got that speedy, shifty, deep threat WR they were looking for in FA. The report at the combine was they were looking at those types of guys. I don't believe it completely takes them out of the market if a guy they REALLY like falls into their laps, but I do think it allows them to allocate draft picks to other positions primarily. 

 

The Bengals are putting themselves up against it cap wise. They have Burrow, Chase, and Higgins that will all require contracts in the next couple of seasons. The loss of either of the WR's will definitely have a ripple effect on the offense. Most likely it will be Higgins as the odd man out. They are seeing a bit of an exodus this year with 4 out of 6 guys who played key roles having already signed elsewhere. I don't expect Eli Apple back either. It's why the draft is so important for each team, not just our own. 

Bengals let Bates and Bell walk, will probably lose Apple. Ok… They upgraded an OL that was already pretty good before injuries hit them last year.  
 

The only issue the Bengals will run into is of their own making … an owner that has cash flow issues.   If they had Pegula, they’d be sitting pretty with what they’ve been doing lately.  
 

We don’t have to pay guys like Matakevich and Neal.  We don’t have to bring back a guy like Poyer.   Let’s say we kept Poyers cap hit low.. say 5M.  That plus Matakevich and Neal (two ST’s guys that give us nothing on defense) is 10M … there’s you Tackle or WR first year cap hit money.  
 

Why tf is Ed Oliver still on this team?  There’s 10M more.  
 

There better be another move coming, because wow… this has been underwhelming so far in relation to what the Chiefs, Bengals, Jets and Dolphins are doing. 

[H2o]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Bengals let Bates and Bell walk, will probably lose Apple. Ok… They upgraded an OL that was already pretty good before injuries hit them last year.  
 

The only issue the Bengals will run into is of their own making … an owner that has cash flow issues.   If they had Pegula, they’d be sitting pretty with what they’ve been doing lately.  
 

We don’t have to pay guys like Matakevich and Neal.  We don’t have to bring back a guy like Poyer.   Let’s say we kept Poyers cap hit low.. say 5M.  That plus Matakevich and Neal (two ST’s guys that give us nothing on defense) is 10M … there’s you Tackle or WR first year cap hit money.  
 

Why tf is Ed Oliver still on this team?  There’s 10M more.  
 

There better be another move coming, because wow… this has been underwhelming so far in relation to what the Chiefs, Bengals, Jets and Dolphins are doing. 

 

Go be a Jets fan, or a Bengals fan, or a Chiefs fan, or a Dolphins fan. We've had people jump ship before. It makes for less misery around here. 

 

I swear. It's March 16th and people around here every time another team makes a move or we don't make a move the armchair GM's want. 

[Warriorspikes51]

I'd have liked this and moved Dawkins to LG or RT