Orlando Brown signs with Bengals

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Hopkins, yes!

 

Do we give Davis a big round of applause? 

 

He played 90% of snaps, whereas Years 1-3 he was at 40% snaps. 

 

The numbers should have been better. 

 

He had what? (1) 100-yard game? 

 

I just don't see how the FO is willing to bank on his growth in the #2 role going into his final year, with Diggs now at 30 years old, and the next WR on the depth chart is a 5th Rounder who caught 10 passes. 

 

This team needs another #1 WR to pair with Diggs, and maximize this window. I don't care what Mike Schopp says about the "window" being open as long as Allen is here. Diggs is by far our best skill player, and after him, there is a DROPOFF to who? Knox? Like he is some unquestioned star? James Cook? Who this coaching staff barely used last year? Gabe Davis? Who this Coaching Staff loves to tell you is the hardest worker ever, but he has a boiler?

 

He had 94 targets to Diggs 154.  He made the most of the balls he caught with a whopping 18 YPC.  

 

Diggs, on the other hand, from  Thanksgiving to the end of the Bengals game (9 games) tallied only 2 100 yard games and 4 TDs (only 1 TD in the final 7 games)---as the Bills #1 WR. 

[MrEpsYtown]

14 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

(I follow your posts with appreciation)

 

Please dont tell me you are backing off your positions - we need lot more OL and stud WRs* - and going over to the dark side of McD "we need more Defense". 

 

* With his recent injury, I wont be satisfied with just OBJ

 

I appreciate that. Not backing off, but we definitely need another offensive weapon, probably a stud receiver and a tight end. I just can't see where that receiver comes from y'know? OBJ seems to be the guy who makes sense in terms of rising the bar there, Jeudy, DHop...I'm sure another guy may shake loose. I just am souring on the receivers in the draft a bit, and outside of a DJ Chark, I am not sure what else we can do there. 

 

And 100% we need to continue to add to the O-line. I'm still open to adding Seumalo, and a swing tackle to compete with Brown for sure. We have to acquire more talent there. The three things that stand out to me from our playoff loss is the lack of protection for the QB, the lack of offensive weapons to take coverage away from Diggs, and the inability to get to the opposing team's QB.

 

Still one with the force lol. 

[Fan in Chicago]

6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I appreciate that. Not backing off, but we definitely need another offensive weapon, probably a stud receiver and a tight end. I just can't see where that receiver comes from y'know? OBJ seems to be the guy who makes sense in terms of rising the bar there, Jeudy, DHop...I'm sure another guy may shake loose. I just am souring on the receivers in the draft a bit, and outside of a DJ Chark, I am not sure what else we can do there. 

 

And 100% we need to continue to add to the O-line. I'm still open to adding Seumalo, and a swing tackle to compete with Brown for sure. We have to acquire more talent there. The three things that stand out to me from our playoff loss is the lack of protection for the QB, the lack of offensive weapons to take coverage away from Diggs, and the inability to get to the opposing team's QB.

 

Still one with the force lol. 

We are in agreement on all points. Lets see what the Beane presser at 1 pm is all about. But my wish is that he announces one of OBJ or Jeudy acquisitions. The OL options are pretty thin out there. As for D, Wagner may be getting long in the tooth but I rather have him to set a floor at that position for a couple of years. His playoff experience will be invaluable. 

[Beck Water]

13 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

So I’m in the trade oliver camp to we have to find a willing suitor for that because they’re also taking on a $10 million contract I think that we can find a three tech for less money.

 

If we trade Oliver, we need to sign 2 3TDT.  He's our only starting-caliber 3TDT under contract currently, Jordan Phillips being a FA with a battered wing.

[Beck Water]

59 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I appreciate that. Not backing off, but we definitely need another offensive weapon, probably a stud receiver and a tight end. I just can't see where that receiver comes from y'know? OBJ seems to be the guy who makes sense in terms of rising the bar there, Jeudy, DHop...I'm sure another guy may shake loose. I just am souring on the receivers in the draft a bit, and outside of a DJ Chark, I am not sure what else we can do there. 

 

And 100% we need to continue to add to the O-line. I'm still open to adding Seumalo, and a swing tackle to compete with Brown for sure. We have to acquire more talent there. The three things that stand out to me from our playoff loss is the lack of protection for the QB, the lack of offensive weapons to take coverage away from Diggs, and the inability to get to the opposing team's QB.

 

Still one with the force lol. 

 

So who that is still available in FA do you want at WR and on OL? 

 

I was intrigued by Parris Campbell, but I see the Giants just signed him, damn their eyes (I think we're putting our faith in the Pocket Rocket, Harty, anyway)

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

So who that is still available in FA do you want at WR and on OL? 

 

I was intrigued by Parris Campbell, but I see the Giants just signed him, damn their eyes (I think we're putting our faith in the Pocket Rocket, Harty, anyway)

 

I really just want OBJ. He is the only guy in UFA that gives the team what we need in terms of a real impact receiver who will pull coverage. I could be talked into Chark or Hardman just because of their speed, but they don't impact the game the way OBJ does. 

 

I like Justin Watson or Mack Hollins as WR5 Kumerow replacements who are really good on special teams but can actually contribute on offense. 

 

In terms of OL, I would still be in on Seumalo which would push Bates to the bench. I would still check in on David Edwards. Graham Glasgow, Evan Brown, or Michael Deiter could be versatile cheap depth adds. In terms of RT competition, you could sell me on a vet like Billy Turner, Germaine Ifedi, or George Fant or a young guy with some prospect shine left in Isaiah Wynn or Greg Little. Outside of Seumalo, I don't see huge upgrades, just raise-the-floor type guys. 

[Zerovoltz]

On 3/15/2023 at 10:05 PM, HappyDays said:

 

Chiefs fans are delusional about Orlando Brown. A Chiefs fan that likes to troll on here said the Chiefs had "one of the worst starting tackle duos in the NFL." No clue what they're watching. He's a great player. What happens sometimes is Mahomes drifts back in the pocket which makes it harder for his tackles to wash their pass rusher out of the play. And I guess Chiefs fans blame Orlando Brown for that? Anyways, Burrow won't have this problem. The Bengals may have just a turned a weakness of their offense into a strength.

 

 

You are referring to me.  I said it a while back, I've been saying it for a while.  

 

You guys ought to be as happy about this as I am.  

 

KC offered Brown a really sweet deal last offseason.  He turned it down because he wanted more guaranteed money.  KC tagged him.  KC did not make an offer because they wanted to move him to RT.  Orlando Brown makes very big deal out of wanting to be a LT like his father.  Also, it's been reported, Brown's market was really soft because not only did KC want him to move to RT....several other teams did as well......including the Bears....who also badly need OT.  

 

Cincinnatti get him at a pretty low price......especially low for starting LT.....because they promised to play him at LT.  (which has upset their incumbant LT, who has demanded a trade)  

 

This is NOT going to work out well for Cincy. 

 

Keep in mind, Orlando Brown was a one of the groomsman at Patrick Mahomes wedding.  They are good friends...and even THAT didn't keep KC from moving on.  ....AND they went out and signed a RT who KC will move to LT, at a high price.  It's a risky move that cost alot.  THAT's how much KC was sure they needed to move on from Brown.  He's miscast as a LT and it's made worse in a pass heavy offense.  

 

Cinncinnatti got WORSE by doing this.  They got a player who is not any better at pass blocking that what they already had, plus they pissed that guy off....so changing out one mediocre LT for another, and paying to do it.

 

Also, KC let Wylie...the other OT go in FA too.  Wylie isn't villified so much because he was never supposed to be a starting RT.  He's been a great swing O lineman during his time in KC..and has started all over the line.  he's better at OG, but is a servicable tackle in a pinch.....problem was he started all 17 games this year and you will read about his PFF grade being high....just watch the film.  He got pushed backward into the QB's lap alot....and was beaten more than you want your RT to be beaten most games.  

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

On 3/16/2023 at 2:11 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I really just want OBJ. He is the only guy in UFA that gives the team what we need in terms of a real impact receiver who will pull coverage. I could be talked into Chark or Hardman just because of their speed, but they don't impact the game the way OBJ does. 

 

I like Justin Watson or Mack Hollins as WR5 Kumerow replacements who are really good on special teams but can actually contribute on offense. 

 

In terms of OL, I would still be in on Seumalo which would push Bates to the bench. I would still check in on David Edwards. Graham Glasgow, Evan Brown, or Michael Deiter could be versatile cheap depth adds. In terms of RT competition, you could sell me on a vet like Billy Turner, Germaine Ifedi, or George Fant or a young guy with some prospect shine left in Isaiah Wynn or Greg Little. Outside of Seumalo, I don't see huge upgrades, just raise-the-floor type guys. 

Not Mack Hollins please.  Other than McKenzie he was probably the worst receiver in the NFL last year on a per-snap basis.  He is negative value in a uniform.

[Chaos]

On 3/15/2023 at 10:31 PM, John from Riverside said:

Perhaps it’s just me
I didn’t think Orlando Brown looked great last year

 

Kc certainly didn’t want him back

You may have Orlando confused with Spencer Brown, who was tragically awful. But Orlando Brown also was not great last year.  

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

You may have Orlando confused with Spencer Brown, who was tragically awful. But Orlando Brown also was not great last year.  

Yes, I am quite sure. I have the two players confused.
 

This post does nothing for me but show your ass

[NUT]

On 3/15/2023 at 10:33 PM, JohnNord said:

I’m starting to get concerned with the Bills offensive line when compared to the other two top rivals in the AFC. When it became painfully obvious they needed to upgrade their OL, here’s what they did.  

 

Kansas City - paid big money for Joe Thuney (best guard available) and Orlando Brown and also drafted Creed Humphrey last season.  This season they signed Jawan Taylor who was arguably the best tackle available in free agency.

 

Cincinnati - last season signed one of the top RT’s in FA La’el Collins as well as two FA guards in Karras and Kappa to decent contracts.   This season they went out and signed Brown.  
 

Buffalo - signed Connor McGovern to a decent contract.  Returning 4/5 staters.  
 

I’m very much concerned about the Bills OL

McDermott. This is why the Bills will never win a SB under McDermott.

[Chaos]

8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Yes, I am quite sure. I have the two players confused.
 

This post does nothing for me but show your ass

Only because I agreed with your premise that Orlando Brown was not great last year.  I won't make the mistake of agreeing with you again. 

[Doc]

On 3/16/2023 at 11:31 AM, Mr. WEO said:

I'm well on record as a dispassionate supporter of Gabe Davis.  The drops cloud too many minds.  He had his best season yet.  OBJ had a similar catch % the last year he played, similar yardage and has blown out his knee twice and wants laughable money for a guy literally on his last leg.

 

Hopkins, however, is another story...

 

Drops are important, and not just when it comes to TEs.  In any case, the Bills have to plan on replacing him because he's gone at the end of the season either way.  Even if he were to still lead the league in drops and have a 51% catch rate, he'll probably still command $11M/year.

Edited March 18 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Drops are important, and not just when it comes to TEs.  In any case, the Bills have to plan on replacing him because he's gone at the end of the season either way.

 

His 26 TDs, 112 1st downs on 255 total targets outweigh the drops. 

 

But yes, I predicted a day before that they would let him go.

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

His 26 TDs, 112 1st downs on 255 total targets outweigh the drops. 

 

But yes, I predicted a day before that they would let him go.

 

He's a decent #2 WR.  But I'd listen to offers so they don't lose him for nothing next year.  Failing that, I'll hope he improves from this past season.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Beane needs to make this happen. Bring in this guy, slide Dawkins to guard and that side of the line is elite 

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Not Mack Hollins please.  Other than McKenzie he was probably the worst receiver in the NFL last year on a per-snap basis.  He is negative value in a uniform.

I had him in that 5 role as a gunner who can make a catch or two

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Beane needs to make this happen. Bring in this guy, slide Dawkins to guard and that side of the line is elite 

 

 

Dawkins is so much better than Jonah Williams 

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, NUT said:

McDermott. This is why the Bills will never win a SB under McDermott.

Wrong you are….

[H2o]

Word is Brown had a 6 year $139M offer on the table with KC. He turned it down thinking he could get more elsewhere. That would've been $23M per year. The Chiefs pivoted and signed Jawaan Taylor. He ends up signing in Cincy for 4 years and $72M. That's $16M per year.