What’s your offer for WR Jerry Jeudy?

[TOboy]

17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Now that I know a 1st gets it done, I'm going to be mad if this doesn't happen. Nobody we could draft with our 1st rounder is going to make as big a difference as Jeudy would. We would now have two legit outside WRs, one with great route running one with great speed; an explosive slot in Deonte Harty; and Davis and Shakir as outside/slot depth options with complementary skill sets. Draft some OL and watch this offense explode. I can't find any downside.

Depends though. While Jeudy is likely better this year than a WR picked at 27, you also have to pay him next year (assuming he plays well). 
 

Meanwhile pick 27 is cost controlled for at least 4 years. 
 

So a Jeudy trade is yet another win now move. I’m not opposed to it, but it’s not a no brainer. 
 

Now if they’d take our 2nd and maybe a 4th, I’d definitely pull the trigger. Would also allow us to use 27 on OL where there may be some value. 

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, TOboy said:

Depends though. While Jeudy is likely better this year than a WR picked at 27, you also have to pay him next year (assuming he plays well). 
 

Meanwhile pick 27 is cost controlled for at least 4 years. 
 

So a Jeudy trade is yet another win now move. I’m not opposed to it, but it’s not a no brainer. 

 

I don't think it's a win now move. Trading for DeAndre Hopkins is win now. Jeudy is going to be 24 next month. Most people think pick #27 this year is going to get you a player with a 2nd round grade. Jeudy was universally a 1st round grade drafted 15th overall. You sacrifice 3 years of his rookie deal but the value is still equivalent IMO.

 

The cap is going to skyrocket over the next couple years as new streaming, network, and gambling deals enter the calculation. I'm not worried about paying his 5th year option in 2024 or extending him beyond that year. We can lock up a WR with #1 upside to play across from Diggs until the time is right to move on from Diggs. That's a move that's both win now and win later.

[Logic]

Add me to the pile that would happily trade our 1st for Jerry Jeudy. 

He'll be just 24 at the start of next season. The Bills would have him for at least two seasons (if fifth year exercise is optioned). Could add another via franchise tag. His coming into his prime would line up perfectly with the end of Diggs' time here. 

Outstanding player who has been hampered by injuries, bad QB play, and playcalling dysfunction. 

His insertion into the WR corps would be EXACTLY what's needed to take the unit from pretty good to great. 

Diggs/Jeudy/Davis/Harty/Shakir. Yes please!

[TOboy]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't think it's a win now move. Trading for DeAndre Hopkins is win now. Jeudy is going to be 24 next month. Most people think pick #27 this year is going to get you a player with a 2nd round grade. Jeudy was universally a 1st round grade drafted 15th overall. You sacrifice 3 years of his rookie deal but the value is still equivalent IMO.

 

The cap is going to skyrocket over the next couple years as new streaming, network, and gambling deals enter the calculation. I'm not worried about paying his 5th year option in 2024 or extending him beyond that year. We can lock up a WR with #1 upside to play across from Diggs until the time is right to move on from Diggs. That's a move that's both win now and win later.

If we make the deal I’ll get on board, because I trust this front office, have always liked Jeudy, and would love to see another legit weapon (particularly a route runner) for Josh. 
 

I’d just prefer not to spend a 1st. But again, Beane knows the market better, and what is or isn’t actually available, so I’ll be happy to be wrong. 
 

[Virgil]

I’d swap Davis and a 5th for Jeudy and never look back 

[BigBadBills]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I’d swap Davis and a 5th for Jeudy and never look back 

Yeah but Denver wouldn’t.

[John from Riverside]

The last time we treated our first rounder for a wide receiver it turned out pretty well

[BBFL]

Not a huge fan of Jeudy, not a hater either. He’s talented and could help the team. The draft picks also could.
 

Big supporter of fixing this offensive line for Josh and giving both him and the run game an elevated chance of success - Starters and depth (which is obviously the McGovern signing) to see where we are. RT is a question as are both guard spots. You then have Morse due for another concussion. Just a lot of pieces that are up in the air and could have cost controlled fixes.
 

If we still need that piece to take us where we believe Jeudy would, then there’s got to be a team that would move a guy during the season; maybe even him if he isn’t traded and the wheels have come off for Denver again prior to the trade deadline. 
 

For Josh and essentially the team… I, personally, feel he’d benefit more from better all around line play than another toy. The old adage of “a QB can make a WR” comes to mind. Josh has and can dominate with just one bonafide star. Protect the franchise.

Edited March 15, 2023 by BBFL

[ChanticleerBillsFan]

I would also happily give up a first for Juedy. Big upside, 24, and no talent like him at 27. Get it done Beane!

[Ramza86]

Pass, his contract is almost up. Wont get any value from a trade and then have to work on a deal while he hasnt proven much.

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Now that I know a 1st gets it done, I'm going to be mad if this doesn't happen. Nobody we could draft with our 1st rounder is going to make as big a difference as Jeudy would. We would now have two legit outside WRs, one with great route running one with great speed; an explosive slot in Deonte Harty; and Davis and Shakir as outside/slot depth options with complementary skill sets. Draft some OL and watch this offense explode. I can't find any downside.

Theoretically they could move 27 for Jeudy and then trade Davis or Oliver to get a pick back.   Davis, on the conservative side, I’m thinking a 3rd and Oliver an early Day 3 pick.  
 

I could see Beane wanting to get a quality pick back, given we only have six picks as is.  

[Saint Doug]

I’d give a 2nd. A 1st if we knew we could sign him long-term. After a year of Josh Allen throwing to him, I doubt he’ll come cheap. 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Saint Doug said:

I’d give a 2nd. A 1st if we knew we could sign him long-term. After a year of Josh Allen throwing to him, I doubt he’ll come cheap. 

Bills would have him at 5M this year and then control the 5th year option the following year. 
 

If all goes to plan and Jeudy shows he’s a WR1.. his big cap hits would be 3-4 years out… as Diggs cap hit comes off.  

[LABILLBACKER]

48 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

Pass, his contract is almost up. Wont get any value from a trade and then have to work on a deal while he hasnt proven much.

I agree. His 2nd year was a wash. I'll take my chances  with an early round wr this year and one next year. 

Edited March 15, 2023 by LABILLBACKER

[Saint Doug]

50 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

Pass, his contract is almost up. Wont get any value from a trade and then have to work on a deal while he hasnt proven much.

He hasn’t proven much because he hasn’t had any decent QB throwing to him. Still he put up decent numbers. I think there’s a lot of value to unlock here. 

[Chaos]

2 hours ago, ChanticleerBillsFan said:

I would also happily give up a first for Juedy. Big upside, 24, and no talent like him at 27. Get it done Beane!

Age barely matters. Years remaining on rookie contract matters far more. 

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Theoretically they could move 27 for Jeudy and then trade Davis or Oliver to get a pick back.   Davis, on the conservative side, I’m thinking a 3rd and Oliver an early Day 3 pick.  
 

I could see Beane wanting to get a quality pick back, given we only have six picks as is.  

Have no interest in moving Davis if were picking up another stud WR... i know that sounds backwards, but I think he'd EAT in 3 and 4 WR sets with another guy here.  We can move Diggs into the slot 50/50 to get these snaps, run 4 WR sets, and be a nice piece spelling the other guys

 

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STAT NERDS:

 

Im curious what % of his snaps are in slot vs outside. Im interested in the #s but also would like to know where people find these stats? Ive tried looking on pro football reference before and couldnt find it (was pretty sure thats where ppl find them)

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[SCBills]

1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Have no interest in moving Davis if were picking up another stud WR... i know that sounds backwards, but I think he'd EAT in 3 and 4 WR sets with another guy here.  We can move Diggs into the slot 50/50 to get these snaps, run 4 WR sets, and be a nice piece spelling the other guys

Don’t know how I’d feel about trading Davis either.  We know he can be a monster as the 3rd option.  
 

But.. it’s likely one year of that… maybe if we draft someone, we pay Gabe.  If it’s Jeudy, probably not. 

[Dan in Owego]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Don’t know how I’d feel about trading Davis either.  We know he can be a monster as the 3rd option.  
 

But.. it’s likely one year of that… maybe if we draft someone, we pay Gabe.  If it’s Jeudy, probably not. 

I agree with this, let the season play out and then make the decision, hopefully a tough one🤔

[TheBeaneBandit]

I'm totally on board trading for Jeudy. But maybe try a 2nd this year and a 3rd next year that could become a 2nd or something like that. Either way get another receiver in here pronto.

[ArtVandalay]

Ed oliver for Jeudy 

[Motorin']

5 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

I'm totally on board trading for Jeudy. But maybe try a 2nd this year and a 3rd next year that could become a 2nd or something like that. Either way get another receiver in here pronto.

 

Jeudy & 68 for 27. Then trade up to 36 for 59 & 68 and take Dawand Jones. 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

42 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Jeudy & 68 for 27. Then trade up to 36 for 59 & 68 and take Dawand Jones. 

 

 

I do that

[gflande1]

13 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

Ed oliver for Jeudy 

I’m all for trading away Oliver, but with his cap hit, Brancos won’t be buyers. 
 

I know Bills could eat some or most of it, but then what’s the point? 

[TheBeaneBandit]

5 minutes ago, gflande1 said:

I’m all for trading away Oliver, but with his cap hit, Brancos won’t be buyers. 
 

I know Bills could eat some or most of it, but then what’s the point? 

You would think a team trading for Oliver would be ready with an extension. 

[BillsShredder83]

13 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Jeudy & 68 for 27. Then trade up to 36 for 59 & 68 and take Dawand Jones. 

 

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dawand-jones/32004a4f-4e23-2777-93b6-b85cf0fe618b

 

Admittedly I dunno much about him other than RT and hes enormous, but his scouting report makes him sound like Dollar Tree Brown.  Good faith question here, do you disagree with this scouting report?

 

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Overview

Massive right tackle with rare length but limited athleticism that impacts his consistency. Defenders accustomed to winning with power will need to switch up their approach against Jones. His physical traits help cover up some of his athletic deficiencies, while his power can be better unleashed with accurate hand strikes and a run scheme tailored to what he does best. The former high school basketball standout has decent slide quickness in protection but is unable to find his feet when attempting to match inside counters or stall out gaming fronts. Jones is a work in progress with holes that will have to be covered up with scheme help, but he should become a starting right tackle if he maintains the playing weight his team desires.

 

[HappyDays]

Alright Brandon, what are we waiting for? Pick 27 plus Ed Oliver. Get it done.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

Alright Brandon, what are we waiting for? Pick 27 plus Ed Oliver. Get it done.

 

Serious question:  Who would we replace Oliver with?  Don't get me wrong ... I'd love to get something for him - especially a stud WR.  But I'd feel better knowing what they'd do to fill that void.

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Serious question:  Who would we replace Oliver with?  Don't get me wrong ... I'd love to get something for him - especially a stud WR.  But I'd feel better knowing what they'd do to fill that void.

A'Shawn Robinson? Gain some size at least.

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Serious question:  Who would we replace Oliver with?  Don't get me wrong ... I'd love to get something for him - especially a stud WR.  But I'd feel better knowing what they'd do to fill that void.

A pick + Oliver would clear 5M when factoring on Jeudy’s hit. 
 

Could sign a DT with some size to a two year deal and fit him in with the extra 5M, that way we at least have one DT under contract for next year. 

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

A'Shawn Robinson? Gain some size at least.

A’Shawn plays the 3T?  🫤 

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Serious question:  Who would we replace Oliver with?  Don't get me wrong ... I'd love to get something for him - especially a stud WR.  But I'd feel better knowing what they'd do to fill that void.

 

This is a bad answer, but I don't really care. I would trade our hole at #2 WR for a hole at DT in a heartbeat. I'm looking over the list of available DTs right now and I'll admit I'm not knowledgeable enough to say who's worth a starting role. But I'd rather figure that out than rely on Gabe Davis.

 

And I just used Oliver as an example. I'd like to think our 1st alone would be enough to get it done. A 1st plus Oliver is as far as I'd be willing to go if it came to it.

[IndyMark]

5 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Serious question:  Who would we replace Oliver with?  Don't get me wrong ... I'd love to get something for him - especially a stud WR.  But I'd feel better knowing what they'd do to fill that void.

 

I get the hesitation, but like Edmunds that person is likely not on the roster yet.  You can replace Oliver with (a) a draft pick (b) a free agent currently (c) a camp cut or (d) maybe one of our own blossoms?

 

I do not have a name in mind, yet I am more concerned about our plans for replacing Edmunds than Oliver. Oliver is replaceable and sure having no IDL on contract beyond this year is less than ideal, but IDL is a position where (for less than $10+m/yr you can find "Average Starters") which at best is precisely what Oliver is.

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is a bad answer, but I don't really care. I would trade our hole at #2 WR for a hole at DT in a heartbeat. I'm looking over the list of available DTs right now and I'll admit I'm not knowledgeable enough to say who's worth a starting role. But I'd rather figure that out than rely on Gabe Davis.

 

And I just used Oliver as an example. I'd like to think our 1st alone would be enough to get it done. A 1st plus Oliver is as far as I'd be willing to go if it came to it.

 

Yeah, it's tough.  My mindset is f*ck the defense; build an offense that can't be stopped.  Getting a 1a WR to complement Diggs should be priority #1 and that ain't happenin' in the draft.

 

 

[TheBeaneBandit]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

A’Shawn plays the 3T?  🫤 

Maybe time to change up the philosophy some. Get two pluggers out there together more often. We got some ends who can slide inside occasionally.

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is a bad answer, but I don't really care. I would trade our hole at #2 WR for a hole at DT in a heartbeat. I'm looking over the list of available DTs right now and I'll admit I'm not knowledgeable enough to say who's worth a starting role. But I'd rather figure that out than rely on Gabe Davis.

 

And I just used Oliver as an example. I'd like to think our 1st alone would be enough to get it done. A 1st plus Oliver is as far as I'd be willing to go if it came to it.

is there really a chance here for Jeudy ?
if anyone can manipulate a deal its MajicBeanes.
and our 1st is not a great spot this draft for needs.

Get back a second and give them anyone not named Josh Allen.

 The contract obviously matters. Will we be renting him ?

Since Bills seem to take about 4 years to develop a WR. I absolutely vote a FA with EXP and upside

[BBFL]

7 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Serious question:  Who would we replace Oliver with?  Don't get me wrong ... I'd love to get something for him - especially a stud WR.  But I'd feel better knowing what they'd do to fill that void.

The void might just be a FA DT if he is indeed moved. Michael Brockers or the guy from KC Nnandi(sp?) might do?

Guess it’s going to be a case of him playing out the option year and then a decision is made… No fret as there is potential a slew of decent options going to be on the market; Quinnen Williams, Dexter Lawrence, Michael Pierce, Jeffrey Simmons, DJ Reader, Maliek Collins and Fletcher Cox

 

Don’t think they’d want to take the burden of his finances to acquire him whilst sending young talent the other way. 

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Yeah, it's tough.  My mindset is f*ck the defense; build an offense that can't be stopped.  Getting a 1a WR to complement Diggs should be priority #1 and that ain't happenin' in the draft.

 

 

Not where we are drafting for sure. and to move up is really not worthwhile.
 this seems like a very good place for Beane to make a mark in FA

[Dr. Who]

I would offer 27. I think that gets the deal done. Even if folks are down on Oliver, he has ability and in the right situation he could thrive. Just getting rid of his cap hit is not enough compensation to throw him into the mix for me. If you are thinking Oliver and 27, I want Jeudy and a draft pick coming back.

[appoo]

I ain't giving up Ed Oliver. I'd give up a 1st and a 4th is it comes to it