No_Matter_What Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 I am pretty sure we will sign at least one (probably exactly one) OL starter in this FA window. If yes, who do you want it to be and how much do you expect we will have to pay him? I am no expert, but after reading these forums last couple of weeks, I want G Isaac Seumalo. My understanding is that he is the best FA guard available so let's go get him. I hope we can do something like 37/3 (which will be essentialy something like 22/2). Who do you have? One name (and contract estimation) please. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadBills Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Not sure about numbers but I’d like Ben Powers guard from Ravens 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Seumalo or Powers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 (edited) If we’re going to spend $10m+ on a guard I’d rather just draft one in the first or 2nd round and spend that money on a quality Free agent WR, MLB, S Edited March 12, 2023 by mrags 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 15 minutes ago, NewEra said: Seumalo or Powers if you move Ed, that 10 mil can go toward one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Sign 1 Guard - Seumalo, Powers, Risner Sign 1 Tackle - Eluemunor, J. Taylor, O. Brown PFF Notes: Seumalo’s pass blocking from Week 11 on — protecting two very different quarterbacks in Jalen Hurts and Gardner Minshew — was nothing short of spectacular, earning a 90.4 mark with zero quarterback hits and pressure allowed on just 1.8% of pass-block snaps. Powers took a meteoric leap as a pass protector in 2022, with his 86.5 pass-blocking grade the second-best mark among guards this season. Powers allowed zero sacks and just one quarterback hit the entire year, playing in front of three different quarterbacks over the second half of the campaign. The 6-foot-4, 338-pound behemoth struggles a bit as a run blocker, but if he could do enough to get by in Baltimore, odds are he can hold up well enough elsewhere. From Week 7 through the end of the season, Eluemunor’s 83.1 pass-blocking grade ranked fourth among right tackles, with his 4.0% pressure rate allowed on true pass sets (2.0 seconds or more, straight dropback, screens/play action removed) also the fourth-best mark at the position. From Week 10 to the end of the regular season, Brown’s 88.7 pass-blocking grade ranked third best among left tackles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Premium guys I’d aim for one of: Issac Seumalo Connor McGovern Jets one Undervalued young guys who would make me happy: David Edwards Connor McGovern Cowboys one Vets I think can help: Justin Pugh George Fant Kelvin Beachum Gabe Jackson Germaine Ifedi Daniel Brunskill Guys I don’t like: McGlinchey Powers Risner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Likely unrealistic Dream scenario: LT - O. Brown, Doyle LG - Dawkins, Bates C - Morse, Patterson* RG - Seumalo, Boettger RT - Eluemunor, S. Brown if we really wanted, we could find a way to make the $$ work. Extend/Restructure Dawkins. Restructure/Cut Morse. Trade Oliver. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Sign 1 Guard - Seumalo, Powers, Risner Sign 1 Tackle - Eluemunor, J. Taylor, O. Brown PFF Notes: Seumalo’s pass blocking from Week 11 on — protecting two very different quarterbacks in Jalen Hurts and Gardner Minshew — was nothing short of spectacular, earning a 90.4 mark with zero quarterback hits and pressure allowed on just 1.8% of pass-block snaps. Powers took a meteoric leap as a pass protector in 2022, with his 86.5 pass-blocking grade the second-best mark among guards this season. Powers allowed zero sacks and just one quarterback hit the entire year, playing in front of three different quarterbacks over the second half of the campaign. The 6-foot-4, 338-pound behemoth struggles a bit as a run blocker, but if he could do enough to get by in Baltimore, odds are he can hold up well enough elsewhere. From Week 7 through the end of the season, Eluemunor’s 83.1 pass-blocking grade ranked fourth among right tackles, with his 4.0% pressure rate allowed on true pass sets (2.0 seconds or more, straight dropback, screens/play action removed) also the fourth-best mark at the position. From Week 10 to the end of the regular season, Brown’s 88.7 pass-blocking grade ranked third best among left tackles. Does that really matter when we are a pass first team? I thought that was the reason they brought in Saffold because he was a good run blocker but take didn't matter since the bills don't run the ball like they did when he was in Tennessee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Likely unrealistic Dream scenario: LT - O. Brown, Doyle LG - Dawkins, Bates C - Morse, Patterson* RG - Seumalo, Boettger RT - Eluemunor, S. Brown if we really wanted, we could find a way to make the $$ work. Extend/Restructure Dawkins. Restructure/Cut Morse. Trade Oliver. I would be shocked if Orlando Brown isn’t a Bear in the next 48 hours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: I would be shocked if Orlando Brown isn’t a Bear in the next 48 hours. that would make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 I'd add Andrew Wylie as a potential Bill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Powers and Risner with drafting D.Jones or D Wright and C/G.....doable. Bates will probably be at center at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 LB Al-Shaair from SF. He is a great replacement option IMHO for Edmunds at what is expected to be a much lower cost than what Edmunds will get. I also think a RB like Jamaal Williams or D'Onte Foreman would be good additions and compliments to Cook. Signing either of them could potentially give us an Ingram/Kamara type tandem here this year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Nate Davis is very, very likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Yosuah Nijman OT from the Packers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: Premium guys I’d aim for one of: Issac Seumalo Connor McGovern Jets one Undervalued young guys who would make me happy: David Edwards Connor McGovern Cowboys one Vets I think can help: Justin Pugh George Fant Kelvin Beachum Gabe Jackson Germaine Ifedi Daniel Brunskill Guys I don’t like: McGlinchey Powers Risner Based on this I think it would be awesome to get two Connor McGoverns. Is there a discount if we do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Just now, 4merper4mer said: Based on this I think it would be awesome to get two Connor McGoverns. Is there a discount if we do that? BOGO? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I’d be pretty surprised if David Edwards from the Rams is not a Bill with his familiarity with Kromer. Nate Davis is another player who may be had for less due to injuries but has been improving when he has played. Kromer and Davis’ ex OL Coach (Keith Carter) both have that McVay background. Another guy Sportrac is projecting at 10 mil a year but I would be surprised if he got that much is Evan Brown of the Lions who held down the Center position in 2021, and the RG position in 2022 (both times due to injuries to the starter). He did well in the gap scheme Detroit runs which Kromer does well with. Also was ranked top 10 in pass blacking by PFF last year. Good year to sign a FA guard and draft interior OL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I’ll say Nate Davis or Dalton Risner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Dalton risner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I'll just keep my mouth shut. One of the top Gs, and I'm good. The only dude we've ever got or gone after that I wanted in FA was Takeo Spikes.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, mrags said: If we’re going to spend $10m+ on a guard I’d rather just draft one in the first or 2nd round and spend that money on a quality Free agent WR, MLB, S JMO but I think the Bills need both, not either/or. Sign the best guy we can get AND draft one. Morse is no spring chicken and could be lost to a concussion at any time. What the Bills did with Eric Wood where we started him a couple years at guard than moved him to C would work for me 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: I would be shocked if Orlando Brown isn’t a Bear in the next 48 hours. Thought KC planned to re-sign him. They gave up a lot in that trade to treat him like a rental Edited March 13, 2023 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Thought KC planned to re-sign him. They gave up a lot in that trade to treat him like a rental They didn’t franchise him, they are going to lose him imo. A team like the Bears will overpay because they are desperate and they can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 35 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: I’ll say Nate Davis or Dalton Risner. these are also my pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Bills have 6 OL currently under contract - Dawkins, Boettger, Morse, Bates, Brown and Doyle. I'd like to see them sign a legit starter in FA and draft an OL guy. 9th guy might be a PS guy from last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: JMO but I think the Bills need both, not either/or. Sign the best guy we can get AND draft one. Morse is no spring chicken and could be lost to a concussion at any time. What the Bills did with Eric Wood where we started him a couple years at guard than moved him to C would work for me Thought KC planned to re-sign him. They gave up a lot in that trade to treat him like a rental I agree we need both as well. I am all for drafting 2-3 OL in the first 4 rounds honestly. It’s a huge liability on this team. I just don’t want to waste that kind of money on a FA when you could easily utilize instant starters at skill positions and then spend your draft picks on OL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 13 hours ago, mrags said: If we’re going to spend $10m+ on a guard I’d rather just draft one in the first or 2nd round and spend that money on a quality Free agent WR, MLB, S A 10M guard and a rookie WR is cheaper than a 20M FA WR and a rookie guard. I guess the trick is it is easier to hit a guard in FA or the draft than a WR. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I remember the FO was interested in Risner pre draft the year he came out, wouldnt be surprised if we circle back to him now that he is a FA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Risner. Or any of the higher end available G/C FA'S. I just want a GOOD vet RG to put between Morse and Brown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: I remember the FO was interested in Risner pre draft the year he came out, wouldnt be surprised if we circle back to him now that he is a FA What's more telling is that they had an interest in him pre-draft, needed OL, and when they had their chance they passed on Risner to draft Cody Ford. Both the Bills and Rams (Kromer) were interested in Risner so that may be something. Both were into Nate Davis as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said: A 10M guard and a rookie WR is cheaper than a 20M FA WR and a rookie guard. I guess the trick is it is easier to hit a guard in FA or the draft than a WR. Your going to get one of the best guards in the draft If you go in rd 1 or 2. but I also didn’t say it would be cheaper. Id just rather spend the resources in a proven WR in FA than try and get one in the draft where we have no idea if they will work out. I think an early OL is less risky in the draft than an early WR. Especially this year where I don’t think there are many good first round talent WRs. Almost all of them are way to small for my liking. WRs that weigh less than 200lbs and under 6’ are practically worthless to me. Unless you’re looking for a slot guy. And yes, I know Diggs is only 6’ and 190lb. He’s an exception not the rule. He was also traded for because we knew he was good prior to coming here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, mrags said: Your going to get one of the best guards in the draft If you go in rd 1 or 2. but I also didn’t say it would be cheaper. Id just rather spend the more resources in a proven WR in FA than try and get one in the draft where we have no idea if they will work out. I think an early OL is less risky in the draft than an early WR. Especially this year where I don’t think there are many good first round talent WRs. Almost all of them are way to small for my liking. WRs that weigh less than 200lbs and under 6’ are practically worthless to me. Unless you’re looking for a slot guy. And yes, I know Diggs is only 6’ and 190lb. He’s an exception not the rule. He was also traded for because we knew he was good prior to coming here. Got it, when you said X amount of dollars and then you would rather spend that on a WR, I assumed that was one for one. I took it to be "the same" rather than more or less. Like you said there are a lot of factors to consider including cost in FA, what does the FA class look like for both groups, what does the draft class look like for both groups, other needs, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 11 hours ago, mrags said: I agree we need both as well. I am all for drafting 2-3 OL in the first 4 rounds honestly. It’s a huge liability on this team. I just don’t want to waste that kind of money on a FA when you could easily utilize instant starters at skill positions and then spend your draft picks on OL. I can see your point Two counter points - 1) I think the top skill position players will be hard for the Bills to afford and frankly, I'm a bit under-enthused at the FA WR crop. Meyers? Tik-Tok Boy? Lazard? Slayton (I think the Giants will re-sign him)? Chark? Parris Campbell really interests me, I'll grant. Who you want? 2) Are the Bills good at evaluating OL talent in the draft? Cody Ford near the top of the 2nd round and Spencer Brown near the bottom of the 3rd have me.....concerned. Boogie Basham 2 picks before Creed Humphrey is another big head-shaker. I think we need a combination of FA, where you can usually see how a guy can play, and draft. Maybe Kromer will make a difference, I don't know. There's also the point that's been made that while pricey, a FA guard may be a better bargain than a FA WR or TE, even FA RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Beck Water said: Maybe Kromer will make a difference, I don't know. Everywhere he has been they found pretty good linemen in the draft. They also found undervalued guys like Austin Corbett and turned them into something. Saffold was a big miss, and so was Tenuta, but some of the other bodies they brought in like Ryan Van Denmark and Tanner Owen are the kind of athletic upside linemen they should be looking for. In his time with the Rams, they added David Edwards, Joe Noteboom, Comenan Shelton, Brian Allen, and Kromer convinced them to trade for Austin Corbett. None of those guys were first-round picks. With the Saints Jahri Evans, Jermaine Bushrod, etc. I think in his second year here we start to see more impact. At least I hope so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I can see your point Two counter points - 1) I think the top skill position players will be hard for the Bills to afford and frankly, I'm a bit under-enthused at the FA WR crop. Meyers? Tik-Tok Boy? Lazard? Slayton (I think the Giants will re-sign him)? Chark? Parris Campbell really interests me, I'll grant. Who you want? 2) Are the Bills good at evaluating OL talent in the draft? Cody Ford near the top of the 2nd round and Spencer Brown near the bottom of the 3rd have me.....concerned. Boogie Basham 2 picks before Creed Humphrey is another big head-shaker. I think we need a combination of FA, where you can usually see how a guy can play, and draft. Maybe Kromer will make a difference, I don't know. There's also the point that's been made that while pricey, a FA guard may be a better bargain than a FA WR or TE, even FA RB. I understand all that. But $10m+ for a starting guard is just too much for a team that apparently has cap issues. It’s not a position that you generally spend that kind of money on. If we get a top guard in FA I guess but he better be an amazing guard. I’d rather put that $10m towards someone like Chark, or Campbell, or hell, everyone here still talking about OBJ, or now Henry in a trade. What about Williams. Skill position players are guys you spend big money on imo. Guards are just guards. Get one young in the draft. If you go with a first rd talent at G he’s probably going to turn out to be pretty good. yes they screwed up with Ford. But let’s be real, he had the traits to be a good player. They screwed up on his mentality and desire to eat cheeseburgers every day. He was a fat tub of goo by the time we traded him. He also wasn’t a top tier OG in the draft. He was a OT and not a top guy. He was a stretch. but yes, the FO has issues drafting in general. I don’t have faith they will get it right. But if a guy like Torrance in the first, or Avila in the 2nd is there, I’d run to the podium. Hell, if a guy like Broderick Jones fell in the first I’d take him, or Dewand Jones in the 2nd I’d take him. Then move Dawkins to Guard. just saying I’d rather take my chances drafting a OL early and picking up confirmed skill positions in FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 12 hours ago, mrags said: I agree we need both as well. I am all for drafting 2-3 OL in the first 4 rounds honestly. It’s a huge liability on this team. I just don’t want to waste that kind of money on a FA when you could easily utilize instant starters at skill positions and then spend your draft picks on OL. I'd rather sign an established veteran guard and draft another olineman or two. If you can manage a vet wr as well in free agency, all the better. But I think we need at least one olineman that does not need to develop, someone who can start day one and palpably improve the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 16 hours ago, mrags said: If we’re going to spend $10m+ on a guard I’d rather just draft one in the first or 2nd round and spend that money on a quality Free agent WR, MLB, S I hear you but... we don't have enough draft picks to fill all our needs. And just because we draft a guard, it doesn't mean they'll be any good. There's more certainty in free agent acquisitions who have already proven themselves at the NFL level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I hear you but... we don't have enough draft picks to fill all our needs. And just because we draft a guard, it doesn't mean they'll be any good. There's more certainty in free agent acquisitions who have already proven themselves at the NFL level. Exactly. Which is why I’d rather sign a skill position like WR, S, or RB to a contract in FA and take my chances of drafting one. of course just because it’s a guard doesn’t mean they will be good. But the odds are greater you find a reasonable starter in year 1 out of a first rd talent at guard than you do with the 5-6th best WR available to you at the 27th pick. The only WR that I’d take there if available (which he won’t be) is Quintin Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 The Chiefs won the SB because I’m not sure Hassan Reddick played. I want all pros across the Oline and I think we solve 90% of our issues and instantly become the favorites. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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