chongli Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) [didn't see this posted elsewhere.] SF gets 7 picks (including three 3rds). Giants get a 5th and a 7th, plus KC's compensatory 3rd from the Kadarius Toney trade. KC gets a 3rd (traded to the Giants), 6th and a 7th. Rams get three 5ths and a 7th. New England gets a 4th and a 6th. None for Buffalo. Edited March 10, 2023 by chongli 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 As long as NE gets a few, then all is right with the NFL. Who cares anymore. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Maybe next year. Wild they now use minority hires as part of the algorithm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Why can't we ever have compensatory things? 1 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 SF gonna continue being stacked for a while. They get, or Lance/Purdy prove to be, a top 5-10 QB and look out… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 I’ll never understand compensatory picks. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: Why can't we ever have compensatory things? Only Dome teams get comp picks according to d0mers. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’ll never understand compensatory picks. It’s not hard. If you gain more Free Agents then you lose you get nothing. If you lose more Free Agents and then you sign you’re eligible for that amount of comp picks. Then they take like salaries of players gained/lost and take them out of the equation leaving two guys you get picks on. Over the cap is like 95% accurate and make it very easy to learn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: It’s not hard. If you gain more Free Agents then you lose you get nothing. If you lose more Free Agents and then you sign you’re eligible for that amount of comp picks. Then they take like salaries of players gained/lost and take them out of the equation leaving two guys you get picks on. Over the cap is like 95% accurate and make it very easy to learn That’s easy. Now tell me how you get a 3rd round pick over a 7th? I understand compensation for minority hires. I looked at OTC and I see they gave Christian Kirk a 3rd round value for the Cardinals while Von Miller was only a 5th round value for the Rams. I don’t get it. Edited March 10, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 41 minutes ago, Airseven said: Maybe next year. Wild they now use minority hires as part of the algorithm. This. It's actual discrimination 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 43 minutes ago, Airseven said: Maybe next year. Wild they now use minority hires as part of the algorithm. And the teams that’s hired them get nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’ll never understand compensatory picks. That’s ok, neither does our Bills management. It’s why we have sucked for decades. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’ll never understand compensatory picks. Losee free agents and sign next none get compensatory picks. 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: And the teams that’s hired them get nothing. But the person they hired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Just now, The Jokeman said: Losee free agents and sign next none get compensatory picks. But the person they hired. I understand how you get them, I don’t understand how they come up with what picks you get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 35 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: This. It's actual discrimination No it’s not, its compensatory…, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’ll never understand compensatory picks. It is pretty simple. 36 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I understand how you get them, I don’t understand how they come up with what picks you get. I did an explainer last year. Will try and dig it out. In its simplest form it is about the AAV of the deal your free agents sign (both incoming and outgoing). Edited March 10, 2023 by GunnerBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Shouldn't we get some compensatory picks for firing 5 scouts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 41 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: That’s easy. Now tell me how you get a 3rd round pick over a 7th? I understand compensation for minority hires. I looked at OTC and I see they gave Christian Kirk a 3rd round value for the Cardinals while Von Miller was only a 5th round value for the Rams. I don’t get it. Ok I’ll try to make it as easy as possible. There are also certain thresholds for salaries so if we lose or sign a guy under the minimum threshold it doesn’t count to the formula. Cut players don’t count in the formula. There are also only 32 comp picks given out. Each team can get a max 4 comp pick on players and additional comp picks on minority coaches which is how the 49ers got 7. So let’s say this year: the Bills lose 4 guys that meet the minimum amount. The amounts are the average per year pay. So we lose Edmunds for 17 million, Poyer for 10 million, Singletary signs for 4 million a year, and Rodger Saffold for 4 million a year. Then we go out and sign a non cut player like idk let’s say OG Isaac Seumelo for 11 million a year and he’s our only Free Agent we sign that wasn’t cut. We lose: Edmunds 17 million Poyer 10 million Singletary 4 million Saffold 4 million We gained: Isaac Seumelo for 11 million Thats a net lose of 3 players which means the Bills are now eligible for 3 comp picks. They then take the 2 most like Average per year and negate each other. In this case Poyer contract is the most like Seumelo. That leaves us with Edmunds, Singletary, and Saffold as players we can get comp picks for. Based on last years threshold we would get 3rd for Edmunds, 6th for Singletary, and a 6th for Saffold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’ll never understand compensatory picks. I don't understand compensatory picks. I don't understand dead cap. I don't understand what's a catch anymore. I don't understand how wind can be confused. I don't understand why we didn't pooch with :13. I really don't understand why we don't help Josh. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 48 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: That’s ok, neither does our Bills management. It’s why we have sucked for decades. We still suck? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 I've always thought comp picks were BS. If the NFL is going to have it, no team should get more then 2 picks & the higher you finished in the playoffs the lower the pick should be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’ll never understand compensatory picks. It's simple: If you are the Buffalo Bills, subtract 25 from whatever number you should get, if the NFL followed its own rules, and that's how many we end up with. It's a system built in the TB12 lab, and baptized with certain fluids from a Jupiter, Florida establishment of ill repute... Edited March 10, 2023 by ROCBillsBeliever I'll repute is not a thing, Autoincorrect.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It is pretty simple. I did an explainer last year. Will try and dig it out. In its simplest form it is about the AAV of the deal your free agents sign (both incoming and outgoing). If it’s simple how come we don’t know the picks awarded until the NFL announces them? Shouldn’t we be able to mathematically determine what picks each team is getting earlier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: If it’s simple how come we don’t know the picks awarded until the NFL announces them? Shouldn’t we be able to mathematically determine what picks each team is getting earlier? Yes you can have a general idea. The only real hold up is getting the financial thresholds for each round every year because it adjusts. The people who follow this stuff knew we weren’t going to get any months ago. Edited March 10, 2023 by gonzo1105 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Just now, gonzo1105 said: Yes you can have a general idea. The only real hold up is getting the financial thresholds for each round every year because it adjusts. The people who follow this stuff knew we weren’t going to get any months ago. I always went off of lost vs gained and money spent vs money lost. I guess snaps gained and snaps lost also figures into it. I guess you can’t really predict snaps because of injuries. I still don’t understand the calculations fully but oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: I always went off of lost vs gained and money spent vs money lost. I guess snaps gained and snaps lost also figures into it. I guess you can’t really predict snaps because of injuries. I still don’t understand the calculations fully but oh well. There is no snaps played, Pro Bowls etc. Thsts folk lore from before people figured out compensatory picks and talking heads would just spout it as fact. It’s literally gained/lost not matter who the player. Contract negation on like average per year salaries. More lost than signed. Eligible for picks. What threshold do the eligible picks meet and comp picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said: There is no snaps played, Pro Bowls etc. Thsts folk lore from before people figured out compensatory picks and talking heads would just spout it as fact. It’s literally gained/lost not matter who the player. Contract negation on like average per year salaries. More lost than signed. Eligible for picks. What threshold do the eligible picks meet and comp picks So how does Von Miller’s monster contract only net a 5th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 40 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: We still suck? Do you see a super bowl champ banner at the stadium? We suck until we bring it home. 13-3 is just a really good team that failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: So how does Von Miller’s monster contract only net a 5th? I actually just read and learned that players with 10 accrued season who receive mega contracts like Millers can receive a maximum of a 5th round pick. Learned something new today Edited March 10, 2023 by gonzo1105 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: That’s ok, neither does our Bills management. It’s why we have sucked for decades. including the last 5 years, amirite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’ll never understand compensatory picks. The only thing I truly understand about comp picks is that Buffalo never gets anything other than a 7th and it only happens every 17 years like the cicada life cycle. 52 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I don't understand compensatory picks. I don't understand dead cap. I don't understand what's a catch anymore. I don't understand how wind can be confused. I don't understand why we didn't pooch with :13. I really don't understand why we don't help Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 We never get comp pics. How does SF get 7 !?!? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: It is pretty simple. I did an explainer last year. Will try and dig it out. In its simplest form it is about the AAV of the deal your free agents sign (both incoming and outgoing). I want to read that. As an example, why did SF get so many picks for lost coordinators whereas we got none for losing Daboll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: I want to read that. As an example, why did SF get so many picks for lost coordinators whereas we got none for losing Daboll. Daboll is more black than Mike McDaniels! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Just delete the thread, now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 I think they made a mistake and switched SF and Cheats comp picks... Also we lost Leslie Frasier should get a 1st next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: It’s not hard. If you gain more Free Agents then you lose you get nothing. If you lose more Free Agents and then you sign you’re eligible for that amount of comp picks. Then they take like salaries of players gained/lost and take them out of the equation leaving two guys you get picks on. Over the cap is like 95% accurate and make it very easy to learn That’s not entirely true SF got 2 of their 3 3rd round picks for losing minority coaches to other teams. Saleh and McDaniel qualified as minority coaches. I’m sort of hoping that Bills ask Daboll to take a 23 and me test. I did and found out I’m 1.2% Native American. If Daboll turned out to be 1% minority, would Bills get a retroactive 3rd round pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Just now, pennstate10 said: That’s not entirely true SF got 2 of their 3 3rd round picks for losing minority coaches to other teams. Saleh and McDaniel qualified as minority coaches. I’m sort of hoping that Bills ask Daboll to take a 23 and me test. I did and found out I’m 1.2% Native American. If Daboll turned out to be 1% minority, would Bills get a retroactive 3rd round pick? look at my previous post I said you can get up to 4 picks for PLAYERS. I then stated SF got 4 for players and 3 for coaches. All minority coaches are 3rds so figured it didn’t need to be explained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted March 10, 2023 Author Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: We never get comp pics. How does SF get 7 !?!? IKR? They had three comp picks for minority hires. I am still.annoyed not a single team has hired Frazier, despite his highly-ranked defenses. Where are our picks? We sowed the seeds, but no reward. 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I did an explainer last year. Will try and dig it out. In its simplest form it is about the AAV of the deal your free agents sign (both incoming and outgoing). Awesome. If you happen to find it, post the info or link here! People want to learn. Edited March 10, 2023 by chongli 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: If it’s simple how come we don’t know the picks awarded until the NFL announces them? Shouldn’t we be able to mathematically determine what picks each team is getting earlier? We can. Over the cap does a tracker. 1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said: I want to read that. As an example, why did SF get so many picks for lost coordinators whereas we got none for losing Daboll. Ha that bit is simple. I hate that rule too. I don't think the Rooney rule is working but that change made it no better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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