Bills Are On The Clock at 27 (Calling all draft connoisseurs, provocateurs, saboteurs)

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DISCLAIMER: I simply listed the top 5 players from Bucky Brook’s mock and PFF’s Big Board. If you feel “X” player WILL NOT be available, please do not cast a vote for that player.

 

NOTE: This is an offensive player only draft and if you want to draft a defensive player, your opinion is void anyhow because I don’t want to hear it.

 

If your choice isn’t on the list, please say who and a list a few reasons why (so long as that player is not a defensive player, in which point I refer you back to the disclaimer above.)

 

To those who say that this is too early because Free Agency has not hit, I would argue that it’s important to know where the draft is deep at before we spend money in FA.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

I don’t know who will be there, so by this list I chose JSN even though he likely won’t be there.

Was tempted to pick Torrence though, and that might be the better pick with how many good WRs are options on this poll.

 

If we could somehow snag Torrence at 27 and then Flowers in the second round, then I would see that as a big win.

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1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

I don’t know who will be there, so by this list I chose JSN even though he likely won’t be there.

Was tempted to pick Torrence though, and that might be the better pick with how many good WRs are options on this poll.

 

If we could somehow snag Torrence at 27 and then Flowers in the second round, then I would see that as a big win.

Those are all good choices, but as far as JSN is concerned, I don’t think it’s too far fetched to think that he could be there. Weirder things have happened. It’s not like your mocking a top 5 talent to be there, although the talent differential between a top 5 player and a top 25-30 player isn’t as linear as some may think. It’s a lot more abstract given time I think.

[starrymessenger]

6 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

I don’t know who will be there, so by this list I chose JSN even though he likely won’t be there.

Was tempted to pick Torrence though, and that might be the better pick with how many good WRs are options on this poll.

 

If we could somehow snag Torrence at 27 and then Flowers in the second round, then I would see that as a big win.

Torrence is the # 1 IOL in the minds of many analysts, and some would say it's not even close. He's a road grader in the run game and he did not allow a single sack in college. He's been mocked to the Bills but there may be a suitability issue in that though he anchors well in pass pro and has quick, agile feet for a man weighing 340 pounds, there isn't much there in the way of lateral mobility. Depending upon what exactly Kromer wants to do, Steve Avila, who could just be there in the second for us might actually be a better choice. Also Torrence is a guy who really needs to watch his weight. Rumour has it he's weighed as much as 400 pounds. And premium guards can bust. Greg Robinson who went maybe second overall and was felt to be a generational talent busted completely in large measure because he could not transition to the pro game. Coming from a college spread offense he couldn't play out of the typical pro set three point stance. Torrence played in a spread offence. Whoever drafts him better make sure he can do what GR could not.

[The Wiz]

You didn't list any defensive players so I have to abstain from the vote.

 

Not that I want one, but it probably will be.

Edited February 21, 2023 by The Wiz

[dpberr]

Went with B. Robinson.  Certainly not a practical pick. 

 

The game is pivoting back to more rush offense, and you can either draft a star RB or star OL to make the Bills rushing attack better. I opted for the star potential in Robinson.  I'd rather draft the blue chip talent at RB than sign it in FA with a player with more mileage on the body.  

[Bill from NYC]

21 hours ago, The Wiz said:

You didn't list any defensive players so I'm going to abstain from the vote.

Yes, we really do need another first round defensive back. That would really help Josh out and the Bills have proven this to be a golden road to winning Super Bowls.

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by Bill from NYC

[whorlnut]

I get a feeling Beane will opt for someone to protect Allen. I also think he will fall in love with the versatility and experience of John Michael Schmitz. 

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Torrence is the # 1 IOL in the minds of many analysts, and some would say it's not even close. He's a road grader in the run game and he did not allow a single sack in college. He's been mocked to the Bills but there may be a suitability issue in that though he anchors well in pass pro and has quick, agile feet for a man weighing 340 pounds, there isn't much there in the way of lateral mobility. Depending upon what exactly Kromer wants to do, Steve Avila, who could just be there in the second for us might actually be a better choice. Also Torrence is a guy who really needs to watch his weight. Rumour has it he's weighed as much as 400 pounds. And premium guards can bust. Greg Robinson who went maybe second overall and was felt to be a generational talent busted completely in large measure because he could not transition to the pro game. Coming from a college spread offense he couldn't play out of the typical pro set three point stance. Torrence played in a spread offence. Whoever drafts him better make sure he can do what GR could not.

 

Torrence is not a fit here IMO. I'd be shocked if the Bills picked him and would be yet more disjointed thinking on the oline.

[Sherlock Holmes]

The Van Ness Monster, Lucas Van Ness!!!

 

If not then Peter Skoronski or Michael Myer

Edited February 21, 2023 by Sherlock Holmes

[starrymessenger]

I voted for Addison. I think he's by far the best WR in this class for the Bills and a legit first round value. He could come in and immediately take the WR 2 role. A couple of years down the road he could grow into a # 1. 
Most of the WR in this class are pure slot guys, like JSN. I think Shakir is our slot guy going forward, and he will be a good one. Addison played 75% of his snaps at USC on the outside. That will come down in the pros but he remains a vertical threat. Among the few big bodied WRs, QJ won't be there imo (if he was I might take him because of his crazy high ceiling) or are of uncertain rd 1 value. Everybody's favourite vertical threat, Jalen Hyatt, might be there, but he is a very risky pick. Ran only three or four routes in college, all vertical, skinny post, go, wheel route, and was schemed up for a free release all day long in the Vols O. That's not happening in the pros where he will be pressed and jammed by physical DBs. I wouldn't draft him. Addison is high value and a very safe pick.

Dont know how needs will be prioritized in the Bills draft but if we don't go WR early there are, like the running backs, some good ones who may fall out of rds 1 or 2.  I think Marvin Mims could be there in the third or maybe the Bama monster.

[starrymessenger]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Torrence is not a fit here IMO. I'd be shocked if the Bills picked him and would be yet more disjointed thinking on the oline.

How do you feel about Steve Avila? Has guard/centre versatility. Good in pass pro. Mobile and quick.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

Those are all good choices, but as far as JSN is concerned, I don’t think it’s too far fetched to think that he could be there. Weirder things have happened. It’s not like your mocking a top 5 talent to be there, although the talent differential between a top 5 player and a top 25-30 player isn’t as linear as some may think. It’s a lot more abstract given time I think.

Agreed, and although I think the likeliest scenario JSN becomes a Bill is from a Beane trade up. Maybe he falls due to the injury. 
 

Edit: I want to add I think the value of having a top WR cost controlled for 5 years is not lost on Beane. Then again, he could go back to the well and trade our 1st for an already established vet WR. 

Edited February 21, 2023 by JohnBonhamRocks

[starrymessenger]

43 minutes ago, dpberr said:

Went with B. Robinson.  Certainly not a practical pick. 

 

The game is pivoting back to more rush offense, and you can either draft a star RB or star OL to make the Bills rushing attack better. I opted for the star potential in Robinson.  I'd rather draft the blue chip talent at RB than sign it in FA with a player with more mileage on the body.  

Hard to argue too much against this pick, because imo it would be a good one. Thing is though this is a strong draft at the RB position and so the Bills might be better served picking one later in the draft, maybe rounds four or five. There are some good big possibly three down between the tackles backs with speed that could be available and who could complement Cook well.

Edited February 21, 2023 by starrymessenger

[gonzo1105]

46 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Torrence is the # 1 IOL in the minds of many analysts, and some would say it's not even close. He's a road grader in the run game and he did not allow a single sack in college. He's been mocked to the Bills but there may be a suitability issue in that though he anchors well in pass pro and has quick, agile feet for a man weighing 340 pounds, there isn't much there in the way of lateral mobility. Depending upon what exactly Kromer wants to do, Steve Avila, who could just be there in the second for us might actually be a better choice. Also Torrence is a guy who really needs to watch his weight. Rumour has it he's weighed as much as 400 pounds. And premium guards can bust. Greg Robinson who went maybe second overall and was felt to be a generational talent busted completely in large measure because he could not transition to the pro game. Coming from a college spread offense he couldn't play out of the typical pro set three point stance. Torrence played in a spread offence. Whoever drafts him better make sure he can do what GR could not.

I disagree that Torrence is the # 1 IOL in the draft. I believe that Skoronski is a Guard in the NFL and would be an excellent fit as a Bill as a Guard. 
 

I think from a fit standpoint at WR I’d go with Jalin Hyatt. The Bills need a burner opposite of Davis. I’d like to see Diggs moved into the slot especially as he ages to maximize his time left. I also think Diggs going in the slot will help Allen get back to throwing the short to intermediate passes that this team lost. Not sure I’d take Hyatt at 27 but wouldn’t get frustrated by it 

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

How do you feel about Steve Avila? Has guard/centre versatility. Good in pass pro. Mobile and quick.

 

Not watched much of him yet. Wouldn't like to pin myself to a view. He wasn't on my initial IOL list (just an omission on ny part) so need to get around to him.

[starrymessenger]

1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

I disagree that Torrence is the # 1 IOL in the draft. I believe that Skoronski is a Guard in the NFL and would be an excellent fit as a Bill as a Guard. 
 

I think from a fit standpoint at WR I’d go with Jalin Hyatt. The Bills need a burner opposite of Davis. I’d like to see Diggs moved into the slot especially as he ages to maximize his time left. I also think Diggs going in the slot will help Allen get back to throwing the short to intermediate passes that this team lost. Not sure I’d take Hyatt at 27 but wouldn’t get frustrated by it 

I think Hyatt is at high risk of busting. I would not draft him.

[KingBoots8]

My guess is a trade back to the early 2nd, looking at someone alike Avila or Schmitz. Avila has played both G and C, and Schmitz fits the McDermott personality/character prototype. Both would be welcome additions to the line and would be day 1 starters.
 

If Flowers somehow falls to 27 it’s hard to pass on him. There’s still good G/C depth in the day 2 and 3 picks, but WR gets scarce after round 2 in my opinion. That being said, if we keep Josh standing he’s gonna make stars out of whoever he throws to, so WR is a need but not as much as IOL

Edited February 22, 2023 by KingBoots8

[starrymessenger]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not watched much of him yet. Wouldn't like to pin myself to a view. He wasn't on my initial IOL list (just an omission on ny part) so need to get around to him.

Let us know when you know.

[BruceVilanch]

I picked Skoronski, I think he will be available and will be a great value pick at the end of rd 1.

[Kaenon]

I chose Other.

I've selected Antonio Johnson, Safety out of Texas A&M.  Why? Aside from being an Aggies fan we need a new playmaker and presence out there. Poyer will be gone, Hyde returning from surgery, not sure on Hamlin.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Kaenon

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

I disagree that Torrence is the # 1 IOL in the draft. I believe that Skoronski is a Guard in the NFL and would be an excellent fit as a Bill as a Guard. 
 

I think from a fit standpoint at WR I’d go with Jalin Hyatt. The Bills need a burner opposite of Davis. I’d like to see Diggs moved into the slot especially as he ages to maximize his time left. I also think Diggs going in the slot will help Allen get back to throwing the short to intermediate passes that this team lost. Not sure I’d take Hyatt at 27 but wouldn’t get frustrated by it 

 

Agree with all of this post (wouldn't be against Hyatt at #27 although wouldn't be my ideal choice). 

 

But particularly agree with the bolded. Skoronski reminds me of Zack Martin. A college tackle with a great combination of power and technique but less than ideal length to play outside in the NFL who could be a multiple all pro at guard and therefore is the rare interior player you can justify a 1st on.

[gonzo1105]

5 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

I think Hyatt is at high risk of busting. I would not draft him.

I don’t necessarily disagree that he has a much lower floor but man the upside is tantalizing 

[iccrewman112]

With all the players listed being “available” I would move back 5-6 spots, as I would be happy with at least 8 of those players listed.

[WMDman]

O'cyrus Torrence

 

plug and play RG, let bates go back to LG where he excelled 

[starrymessenger]

29 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

I disagree that Torrence is the # 1 IOL in the draft. I believe that Skoronski is a Guard in the NFL and would be an excellent fit as a Bill as a Guard. 
 

I think from a fit standpoint at WR I’d go with Jalin Hyatt. The Bills need a burner opposite of Davis. I’d like to see Diggs moved into the slot especially as he ages to maximize his time left. I also think Diggs going in the slot will help Allen get back to throwing the short to intermediate passes that this team lost. Not sure I’d take Hyatt at 27 but wouldn’t get frustrated by it 

Agree with Skoronski projecting as a guard (with I would assume some tackle and center versatility) and would be an excellent pick. As a pretty much day one starter and maybe the first o-line off the board I wonder whether he will be there at 27. I know he has been mocked as late as the early second.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 21, 2023 by starrymessenger

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

Yes, we really do need another first round defensive back. That would really help Josh out and the Bills have proven this to be a golden road to winning Superbowls.

 

I know we don't.  You commented before I edited my post.  

 

Anything on defense is probably going to be a waste but I think it will still happen.

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5 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said:

With all the players listed being “available” I would move back 5-6 spots, as I would be happy with at least 8 of those players listed.

My friend, I called all connoisseurs, provocateurs and saboteurs, you are all three!

[DCOrange]

I went with Addison; just think he's the best of all those WRs. Was tempted by the OLine guys as well.

[Bill from NYC]

9 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I know we don't.  You commented before I edited my post.  

 

Anything on defense is probably going to be a waste but I think it will still happen.

Yeah a 1st round safety is what I expect out of McDermott and if he does pick one he should be fired imo.

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7 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I went with Addison; just think he's the best of all those WRs. Was tempted by the OLine guys as well.

I kind of feel like Addison and JSN will be gone although I admit that there is a reasonable chance that they’re there.

 

I went with Jalin Hyatt. I love Flowers too but he is undersized and that worries me. Could be the next Tyreke Hill or he could be a total bust. Hyatt has nice size and elite speed and wonderful production last year. Ultimately though I’d roll the dice on either.

[RiotAct]

Best undersized defensive lineman available.

[John from Riverside]

I picked Bijan Robinson but I don’t expect him to be on the board when we pick at 27
 

My very next pic if we were lucky enough to get Robinson would be a lineman that can both run block and passprotect well

 

In my real world scenario, Bijan Robinson is not on the board and we take the best available lineman

[LyndonvilleBill]

I picked Other. Sometimes you just got to be different. 😁

 

DAWAND JONES. (BIG LETTERS for a BIG guy).

 

LT, put Dawkins at LG.

RT, put Brown at RG. I know where my RB would be going.😉

 

Could be interesting. 

Edited February 21, 2023 by LyndonvilleBill

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4 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Best undersized defensive lineman available.

Yup, or it’ll be a safety or an undersized LB, you watch.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Victory Formation said:

Yup, or it’ll be a safety or an undersized LB, you watch.

So Brandon has literally done that one time since he has been here the rest of those first round picks have all been athletic freaks with the correct size weight combo
 

I don’t think it’s a trend that Brandon takes small players

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Best undersized defensive lineman available.

Would you be willing to consider a DT shaped defensive end who is primed to go on a 5 year body reshaping program? 
 

or maybe there is a future HoFer another team can use the bills pick to draft. 

[RiotAct]

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Would you be willing to consider a DT shaped defensive end who is primed to go on a 5 year body reshaping program? 
 

or maybe there is a future HoFer another team can use the bills pick to draft. 

I’m open to that, yes.

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Those are all good choices, but as far as JSN is concerned, I don’t think it’s too far fetched to think that he could be there. Weirder things have happened. It’s not like your mocking a top 5 talent to be there, although the talent differential between a top 5 player and a top 25-30 player isn’t as linear as some may think. It’s a lot more abstract given time I think.

Not to mention the guy pegged to go at 5 may prove to be substantially WORSE than the guy who goes at 27.

 

Stuff like that happens every year.  "Ranking" is a suggestion.

 

 

12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

So Brandon has literally done that one time since he has been here the rest of those first round picks have all been athletic freaks with the correct size weight combo
 

I don’t think it’s a trend that Brandon takes small players

Didn't know we were on a first name basis with the GM.

 

 

[Simon Says]

Obviously, since free agency comes first , this exercise is nearly futile, no matter how much fun it might be.