Bills Are On The Clock at 27 (Calling all draft connoisseurs, provocateurs, saboteurs)

[frostbitmic]

Most of that list will be gone by #27 ... These guys could be available

 

RB - Gibbs

G - Torrence

C - Schmitz

TE - Mayer

TE - Kincaid

WR - Hyatt

 

Pre FA, I could see the Bills going with Anton Harrison - T - Oklahoma

 

It's McBeane though and defense is the likely pick... Nolan Smith - Edge - Georgia is my guess... Can't have enough pass rushers.

[uticaclub]

2 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

U make it like the Jets line is full of bullies. The Bills Oline do open holes and Hall talent level is on much higher level then anyone we got. Yeah there will be some plays that he gets hit in the bk field for a loss and some plays were he pks up 2 tough yds but there’s also the times we’re he can take it to the house from anywhere. The biggest key to having a excellent bk like Hall is the attention he needs to get from the defense. That’s what people are missing here u can’t play against great RBs with light boxes I don’t care how average his Oline is he will take advantage of the situation. I can’t wait too have a great back on this team imagine the pressure it would put on a defense on 3rd and 5 or less? 

3rd & 5 we are throwing DEEP!

I understand the concept and agree with your point, but I’m not confident that we will establish a run game with our current coaching philosophy. Also, look at how much Saquon struggled until they got an line and Daboll. I would absolutely love to have a running element to our offense, but it will be ignored. Don't forget this team is built defense first and our rushing D is miserable. Allen will be our leading rusher again in 2023.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Paris Johnson or Skoronski.  I still haven’t watched much of the OL, not sure which one is better but Johnson looks to have the higher upside. I’d go with him.  

 

I think if you are looking for a franchise left tackle in this draft Johnson is the one to pick. If you are looking for the safest bet to be a quality NFL OL regardless of position go Skoronski.

 

 

[Billz4ever]

17 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

How do you feel about Steve Avila? Has guard/centre versatility. Good in pass pro. Mobile and quick.

Definitely not in the first round, but is a good talent.

 

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by Billz4ever

[Yantha]

Skoronski is the player I'd pick but gave a hard look at Bijan Robinson.  I just feel that the RB would be eaten up behind a neglected O-line.  Start in the trenches.  It has a trickle down effect on our EXISTING offense, led by Allen.  

 

Cook averaged 5.7YPC this season (rookie season at that) and I think he deserves a shot.

I think Jaxon-Smith will bust in the NFL.

[Alphadawg7]

22 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

DISCLAIMER: I simply listed the top 5 players from Bucky Brook’s mock and PFF’s Big Board. If you feel “X” player WILL NOT be available, please do not cast a vote for that player.

 

NOTE: This is an offensive player only draft and if you want to draft a defensive player, your opinion is void anyhow because I don’t want to hear it.

 

If your choice isn’t on the list, please say who and a list a few reasons why (so long as that player is not a defensive player, in which point I refer you back to the disclaimer above.)

 

To those who say that this is too early because Free Agency has not hit, I would argue that it’s important to know where the draft is deep at before we spend money in FA.

 

I voted even though its pointless that you didn't include defensive players.  They are going to stick to their board and go BPA, so doesn't matter you refuse to accept defense is a possibility, it is a reality.  And I am all for offense at 27, just saying this thread is pointless when you don't include realistic choices.  

 

But if these people are on the board, BPA is Bijan or maybe JSN.  So I voted for Bijan solely on him being BPA.

Edited February 22, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

Most of that list will be gone by #27 ... These guys could be available

 

RB - Gibbs

G - Torrence

C - Schmitz

TE - Mayer

TE - Kincaid

WR - Hyatt

 

Pre FA, I could see the Bills going with Anton Harrison - T - Oklahoma

 

It's McBeane though and defense is the likely pick... Nolan Smith - Edge - Georgia is my guess... Can't have enough pass rushers.

 

O’d be okay with Harrison there.  Smith will be a disappointing pick to me unless we get an OL anD WR in FA . 

[Jay_Fixit]

I can say with 100% conviction and honesty that there is not one draft connoisseur in here. Or probably even in the NFL.

 

I see some neat thoughts and ideas though. Even guesses!

[Yantha]

28 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I can say with 100% conviction and honesty that there is not one draft connoisseur in here. Or probably even in the NFL.

 

I see some neat thoughts and ideas though. Even guesses!

Connoisseur?  No.

 

Draft geek?  That would be me.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

Most of that list will be gone by #27 ... These guys could be available

 

RB - Gibbs

G - Torrence

C - Schmitz

TE - Mayer

TE - Kincaid

WR - Hyatt

 

Pre FA, I could see the Bills going with Anton Harrison - T - Oklahoma

 

It's McBeane though and defense is the likely pick... Nolan Smith - Edge - Georgia is my guess... Can't have enough pass rushers.

If these are the available players, I would order it as the following:

 

1. WR - Hyatt

2. TE - Mayer

3. C - Schmitz

4. G - Torrence

5. TE - Kincaid

6. RB - Gibbs

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

If these are the available players, I would order it as the following:

 

1. WR - Hyatt

2. TE - Mayer

3. C - Schmitz

4. G - Torrence

5. TE - Kincaid

6. RB - Gibbs

 

 

I love this sort of thinking. Whenever I look at a Mock Draft, I immediately go to the teams right after the Bills just to see who the author believes the Bills will have passed up. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

22 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I love this sort of thinking. Whenever I look at a Mock Draft, I immediately go to the teams right after the Bills just to see who the author believes the Bills will have passed up. 

Yes, I do the same thing. 

 

In the case of Bijan Robinson. 

 

Assume he's there at 27. 

 

The Bills pass. It's a running back, we don't take running backs in the first round in the modern NFL. Okay. 

 

But then the Bengals take Bijan Robinson. Now their offense gets the best RB in the draft. They become even harder to beat. 

 

You can't ultimately make decisions on your franchise, but the "what did we pass up" is a post-mortem analysis that I think makes sense. 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yes, I do the same thing. 

 

In the case of Bijan Robinson. 

 

Assume he's there at 27. 

 

The Bills pass. It's a running back, we don't take running backs in the first round in the modern NFL. Okay. 

 

But then the Bengals take Bijan Robinson. Now their offense gets the best RB in the draft. They become even harder to beat. 

 

You can't ultimately make decisions on your franchise, but the "what did we pass up" is a post-mortem analysis that I think makes sense. 

Agreed. I never look at the guys picked AHEAD of the Bills selection. I only look at who we had to choose from when it was our turn at the podium. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

4 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

Most of that list will be gone by #27 ... These guys could be available

 

RB - Gibbs

G - Torrence

C - Schmitz

TE - Mayer

TE - Kincaid

WR - Hyatt

 

Pre FA, I could see the Bills going with Anton Harrison - T - Oklahoma

 

It's McBeane though and defense is the likely pick... Nolan Smith - Edge - Georgia is my guess... Can't have enough pass rushers.

I like that list a lot though. Great weapons to choose from imo....Hyatt is a missing ingredient in our WR room and two difference making TE's. If we land one of the top guards in free agency I would love any of those 3. The 2 TE sets would be an excellent wrinkle and Hyatt can fly. 

[LabattBlue]

Funny, I have seen mentions in this thread and others that the Bills need a deep threat WR, but in other threads people complaining that Dorsey and Allen go deep too often.

 

So which direction do they need to go?

Edited February 22, 2023 by LabattBlue

[Straight Hucklebuck]

56 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Funny, I have seen mentions in this thread and others that the Bills need a deep threat WR, but in other threads people complaining that Dorsey and Allen go deep too often.

 

So which direction do they need to go?

They definitely don’t go deep too often.

 

That narrative started at the end of the Patriots game when Allen just said enough of this and started throwing.

 

Then the Dolphins Playoff game where Howard Simon had to have a bypass because Allen wasn’t taking the “easy button” throws.

 

Just get better WRs.

 

It’s a lot of talking. 

 

Kurt Warner showed there are plenty of checkdowns designed into the offense.

 

Team scored 27 ppg Weeks 1-9 and 32 in weeks 9-18. 

[ColoradoBills]

18 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

If there was an option to trade down/out of the first round for more picks on day 2, that would be my vote. I doubt I'd be the only one.

 

Unless there is a WR or outstanding OL they really want, trading back into the 2nd and picking up another late 3rd is fine with me.

Coming away with a WR, 2 OL and MLB on Day 2 would be pretty, pretty good.

[PrimeTime101]

13 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I think he definitely can be there. He’s a slot type Wr that will more then likely to run 4.55 40 . I’m not trying to take anything away from JSN but how often do we see slot Wrs drafted in the first rd? I realize he put up crazy numbers in 2021 but playing in the slot how often is he facing a NFL caliber CB? Unless he tears down the combine I expect him to be a 2nd rd selection. To many questions for him to be a first rd guy in my opinion and also he’s coming off an injury that sidelined him the majority of last season. 

2008 Beasley pick 2 round 1

[philholbroo]

Bijan if hes there at 27. I like Cook, but Bijan is too good to pass on if hes there. I would think of Q. Johnston but i doubt hes there same with parris or skoronski. Van ness on D if you had listed D.

O'Cyrus might be an idea since we all want more o-line, but not sure he fits the role like they are looking for.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

22 hours ago, uticaclub said:

3rd & 5 we are throwing DEEP!

I understand the concept and agree with your point, but I’m not confident that we will establish a run game with our current coaching philosophy. Also, look at how much Saquon struggled until they got an line and Daboll. I would absolutely love to have a running element to our offense, but it will be ignored. Don't forget this team is built defense first and our rushing D is miserable. Allen will be our leading rusher again in 2023.

Bark still sees a lot of  8 man boxes something he won’t see much in Buffalo. 

[GoBills!]

The name Cyrus has a bad taste in my mind from the last guy....sorry Mr.Torrence.

 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

14 minutes ago, GoBills! said:

The name Cyrus has a bad taste in my mind from the last guy....sorry Mr.Torrence.

 

 

It's O'Cyrus, the Irish version.

[Motor26]

Torrence isn't athletic enough to fit what the Bills want to do scheme wise, I also worry about his weight ballooning. Went Zay Flowers because he will probably actually be there at 27, unlike a lot of the players on this list. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

The new CBS Mock Draft is out, and it's the most realistic and ultimately disappointing for Bills. 

 

Hyatt gets picked before the Bills, leaving only Zay Flowers as the top flight WRs on the board. 

 

Bills end up with Broderick Jones and Parker Washington. 

 

I keep hearing how horrible this WR class is, but I don't see it. Several guys who are going to test well at the Combine and have numbers. Not the biggest physical group, but playmakers all over that are going to last past 35-40 picks. 

[ShakAttack]

30 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

Torrence isn't athletic enough to fit what the Bills want to do scheme wise, I also worry about his weight ballooning. Went Zay Flowers because he will probably actually be there at 27, unlike a lot of the players on this list. 

 

I would be excited with Zay Flowers.  In the past, Beane has talked about how valuable a player with a skill set like this would be.  Now, let's see what happens if that type of player is finally available to him for the taking...

 

That said, I think it's Bijan Robinson over EVERYONE and an absolute no-brainer if he is actually available at 27, but I doubt he would be.

[GoBills!]

53 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

It's O'Cyrus, the Irish version.

 

Coach McD remembers next thing you know Mike Gillislee will be a pro bowler signed to the Pats and we don't match the offer...

[CookieG]

37 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

Torrence isn't athletic enough to fit what the Bills want to do scheme wise, I also worry about his weight ballooning. Went Zay Flowers because he will probably actually be there at 27, unlike a lot of the players on this list. 

I understand about the weight concern, as I would have with anyone that large.  I probably have the same concern about someone like Dewand Jones (Sp?).  I have Mike Williams flashbacks.

 

As far as "what we want to do scheme wise"...I don't get it.  First, what the Bills want to do scheme wise is pass the ball.  That isn't changing as long a Josh is behind center. And rule  no. 1 of passing the ball is keeping your golden armed QB upright and the pocket clean.  It is priority 1 and all other concerns are secondary, very secondary.

 

Second, he's an outstanding run blocker who can move people, either at the first or second level.  He's just not a guy that you might not want pulling outside on a regular basis. This is the job of the OC/running game coordinator/OL coach.  Its up to them to incorporate his strengths as a run blocker...which are outstanding, into the run game.  with a little creativity and a little work, he's someone your RB's would want to run behind. You don't have to redo your entire scheme, just some tweaks. And based on his ability as a drive blocker, the tweaks will pay dividends.  There are enough zone blocking plays that he can handle.

 

Personally, the worst they can do is pass on a premier pass protector because your  OC/running game coordinator/OL coach says, "there are one or 2 blocks in our 'scheme' that he can't make".  And then wait until the 3d round and take some guy who will struggle in pass pro, but can get outside on a pull for a running play.  And unfortunately, that is a scenario I can envision.

 

Pass pro is, and will be consideration 1, and everything else is secondary to that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jay_Fixit]

On 2/22/2023 at 9:11 AM, Yantha said:

Connoisseur?  No.

 

Draft geek?  That would be me.

So you’re agreeing with me then. 
 

Draft geek isn’t anything close to connoisseur. As there are many of us who enjoy the draft but have no clue how any player will turn out.

 

I have spoken. Correctly. As usual.

[BigAl2526]

I answered Broderick Jones.  I think there is a chance he drops.  I don't think Skoronski will drop.  Jones is a bit raw, but very athletic and I think he is position versatile, that he can play any of four spots on the O-line.  I don't know if he can play center.  I wouldn't mind if Bijan Robinson were the pick.  I also wouldn't mind Smith-Njigba or Hyatt at WR.  I think Gibbs and Michael-Schmitz are reaches.  I think Q. Johnsson and Addison are probably gone.  I think Zay Flowers is a slot receiver, and I don't especially want to use a first round pick on a slot guy.  Nor do I want to use a first round pick on a TE with Dawson Knox already on the roster.  There are also a couple defensive players I wouldn't mind being Buffalo's pick.   I almost think the best outcome could be a trade down.  I think Buffalo might be able to get better value in the top third of round 2 than at #27.

[Yantha]

9 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

So you’re agreeing with me then. 
 

Draft geek isn’t anything close to connoisseur. As there are many of us who enjoy the draft but have no clue how any player will turn out.

 

I have spoken. Correctly. As usual.

lol are you ACTUALLY Chevy Chase?

[Buffalo Super Fan]

I would trade my 1st and 2nd round picks to go Blue Light special Kmart bargain shopping looking for NFL Draft bargains that don’t cost a lot of money to sign saving cap space. Trade down for more draft capital we have a lot of roster spots that need to be filled on the Buffalo Bills roster is what I would personally do.
 

I want to bring in 10 new drafted Buffalo Bills players if possible just to compete for Bills roster spots. BSF like Bill Belichick does? Yes getting value and seeing what you can work with. Forget about the trading up trade down for the bargains. Unless a Buffalo Bills fan is afraid that Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott don’t know what they are doing? I don’t see why not as a Bills fan I am told by a lot of Bills fans and media that Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott are the greatest so let’s see some of that so called greatness in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Victory Formation]

So it looks like The Board is right, at least when it comes to Daniel Jeremiah’s pov when it comes to whom the Bills should draft at 27. 
 

 

DJ’s team fits for draft prospects: star WR for Bills

 

A home playoff loss where the Bills mustered just 10 points in the Divisional Round was a bitter end to a season that began with Super Bowl expectations. The disappointing result could nudge Buffalo into getting another weapon for Josh Allen in the first round. Jeremiah sees Ohio State's Jaxon Smith-Njigba and Boston College's Zay Flowers as two wide receiver fits for the Bills at No. 27 overall.

 

"Smith-Njigba would probably be one that I would think would be a nice complement there," Jeremiah said. "If you're looking for somebody who can do some of that in the middle of the field, he gives you that. Gabe (Davis) can play more over the top and (Stefon) Diggs kind of does everything. That would be one I would think that would be a really good fit there as a really good player. I love Zay Flowers. I know he's not the biggest guy in the world at a little over 5-9, 182 pounds, but he's a clone to T.Y. Hilton."

 

Jeremiah also sees an opportunity for Buffalo to add to its interior offensive line, with Florida's O'Cyrus Torrence being a potential candidate late in Round 1.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2023-nfl-draft-daniel-jeremiah-identifies-intriguing-team-fits-for-top-prospects

Edited February 25, 2023 by Victory Formation