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[Victory Formation]

4 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Depends how well he shows he can move.  He is HUGE, but can he move well enough?  He is probably too tall to move to G.

One of the benefits of being 6’8 is that his wingspan is huge. Meaning, if he even gets one hand on a speed rusher, it’s over. And As a lineman, how athletic do you need to be? Pretty much any D-lineman you put in front of him will get handled, it’s almost not fair.

[RyanC883]

23 hours ago, FireChans said:

Mayer won’t last til 27. Also, not interested in another highly paid TE to not throw to.

 

Fine.

 

Another 3rd round RB will make my head explode. 
 

Fine.

 

Fine.

 

fine.

 

Overall, would absolutely HATE this draft. 

 

yeah could only use what the simulator gives.  If we take Mayer and don’t throw to him and Knox I’d lose it.  

 

Need a RB eventually as Singletary is gone. Try the sim yourself, interested to see your thoughts! 

22 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

We need a true WR2, not another TE, IMO.  We don't hardly throw to the one we have unless it's near the endzone.

 

If Patterson falls that far in the second round, we'd better take him.  We'd be stupid not to.

 

I agree.  Was no No 2 WR left at that point.  He was the closest thing. 

[OldTimer1960]

21 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

One of the benefits of being 6’8 is that his wingspan is huge. Meaning, if he even gets one hand on a speed rusher, it’s over. And As a lineman, how athletic do you need to be? Pretty much any D-lineman you put in front of him will get handled, it’s almost not fair.

See Spencer Brown.  He is exceptionally tall with long arms too, but so far has not been very good at pass blocking.

 

I am still hopeful that Brown, who had basically no offseason strength training due to his back, can make a big jump next year - if his back is healthy.

 

That being said, I would not be opposed to an OT early - especially one who could play G if Brown improves or play RT if Brown doesn’t.

Just now, OldTimer1960 said:

See Spencer Brown.  He is exceptionally tall with long arms too, but so far has not been very good at pass blocking.

 

I am still hopeful that Brown, who had basically no offseason strength training due to his back, can make a big jump next year - if his back is healthy.

 

That being said, I would not be opposed to an OT early - especially one who could play G if Browns improves or play RT if Brown doesn’t.

 

Edited January 28, 2023 by OldTimer1960

[RyanC883]

22 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Hate that draft honestly. We already have an overpaid TE, and where is our WR help?  We need a #2 and a slot WR desperately this year.  Te at #1 is no bueno

 

would have to get War in FA.  I didn’t want to just draft a WR over BPA.  Mayer makes the passing offense better if Dorsey figures out how to call/design plays.  He’s also a great blocker. 

[OldTimer1960]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

would have to get War in FA.  I didn’t want to just draft a WR over BPA.  Mayer makes the passing offense better if Dorsey figures out how to call/design plays.  He’s also a great blocker. 

This is likely going to be the problem with taking WR at 27.  At that spot, you are likely taking a compromise WR for need over better players at other positions.  
 

Maybe someone like Rashee Rice will show that he deserves a late round 1 selection, but as of now looks like they won’t get a sniff of the two top prospects in Johnston and Addison.  I love what I’ve seen of a couple slot receivers, but can you really take a slot only guy that early and think that is a better plan than an OT or other premium position player that can be more versatile?

[Simon Says]

On 1/27/2023 at 4:10 PM, RyanC883 said:

Post em' here.  I'll start: 

 

27.

Michael Mayer

TE Notre Dame

(BPA, 2 TE sets will be crazy.  Great catcher, great blocker.).  

 

59.

Jarrett Patterson

OG Notre Dame

(best C in draft.  Can also play G.) 

 

91.

Israel Abanikanda

RB Pittsburgh

(need another RB, perhaps too similar to Cook?)  

 

128.

Wanya Morris

OT Oklahoma

(OT is a need, got a strong one here) 

 

135.

Keeanu Benton

DT Wisconsin

(I know nothing about him.  Needed a DT, and was BPA based on the Pro Football Network simulator) 

 

160.

Garrett Williams

CB Syracuse

(very athletic CB.  Ball hawking, run-supporting).  

I'm not going to invest much time in this little exercise...but I would talk a safety and a LB/ edge rusher before a DT and CB

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

One of the benefits of being 6’8 is that his wingspan is huge. Meaning, if he even gets one hand on a speed rusher, it’s over. And As a lineman, how athletic do you need to be? Pretty much any D-lineman you put in front of him will get handled, it’s almost not fair.

Being tall, as an offense of lineman actually affects you more in the running game

[Rigotz]

Third f***ing year in a row that I say O-Line, O-Line, O-Line.

 

Yet here we are trying to solve a run blocking and pass blocking problem with Bijan Robinson, Devin Singletary, Zach Moss, and James Cook.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Rigotz said:

Third f***ing year in a row that I say O-Line, O-Line, O-Line.

 

Yet here we are trying to solve a run blocking and pass blocking problem with Bijan Robinson, Devin Singletary, Zach Moss, and James Cook.

Ordinarily, I would say that trying to narrow it down to one position in those high pics is a recipe for disaster if the talent is not there but in recent years those high pics that were used on ol have panned out

 

this is where I am going this year with my first round pick in the second round we need to find someone like Watson of Green Bay

 

 

 

[ctk232]

On 1/27/2023 at 4:32 PM, FireChans said:

Mayer won’t last til 27. Also, not interested in another highly paid TE to not throw to.

Fwiw Dorsey was the reason we tried the OJ Howard FA experiment, as he wanted to run more 2TE sets. Never got that chance this year b/c Howard was garbage. Not saying it’d be worth the round 1 pick, but Mayer (if he’s even there, yes) would be a nice added weapon for both Josh and Dorsey. 
 

Personally I wanna see OL, and early, lots of it.

[OldTimer1960]

13 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Ordinarily, I would say that trying to narrow it down to one position in those high pics is a recipe for disaster if the talent is not there but in recent years those high pics that were used on ol have panned out

 

this is where I am going this year with my first round pick in the second round we need to find someone like Watson of Green Bay

 

 

 

The thing is that Watson went 34th - 25 picks earlier than the Bills 2nd round pick this year.  34th is only 7 later than the Bills 1st pick.  
 

I am just highlighting that there is a big difference between an early pick and a late pick in the same round.

[John from Riverside]

23 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

The thing is that Watson went 34th - 25 picks earlier than the Bills 2nd round pick this year.  34th is only 7 later than the Bills 1st pick.  
 

I am just highlighting that there is a big difference between an early pick and a late pick in the same round.

That’s fine, but I’m more looking at a wide receiver in the late first round with Watson type ability
 

We can find an offensive lineman in the second and hopefully we are back in that up with a quality, free agent one of the few free agents we’re gonna be able to afford this year

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

That’s fine, but I’m more looking at a wide receiver in the late first round with Watson type ability
 

We can find an offensive lineman in the second and hopefully we are back in that up with a quality, free agent one of the few free agents we’re gonna be able to afford this year

We’ll have to see if any of the prospects show that kind of talent through the Shrine and Senior Bowl games and the combine.  Would love to find a very good outside WR prospect, but if one isn’t there, totally comfortable going OL, especially OT if a better prospect is available.  

[Yantha]

Noticing not many see CB as a draft need.  I have the position fairly high, despite going CB in round 1 last year.

 

 

[Yantha]

Just putting down my first.  I'm still not sold on WR being a must draft for the 1st-3rd.  I'm seeing a great future for Shakir, and I've not given up on Gabe Davis like some have.  With a retooled O-line, Allen will have more time on his hands as well.  Davis will bounce back I think.  

 

I went with Corner in the first mainly because of the prospect that was sitting there.  I wouldn't hesitate on Corner in the first if it fell the right way.  I'm way more concerned with White, than I am with Davis.  I'll put it that way I guess.  I did pick a WR, allbeit in the 6th.

 

I also went with Linebacker higher than most.  Klein's replacement.

 

Tackle in the second and two picks on OG's.

 

Depth on the DL and one of the hardest "enforcer" type safeties in the draft (IMO...).  

 

 

 

[KOKBILLS]

On 1/28/2023 at 3:56 PM, OldTimer1960 said:

This is likely going to be the problem with taking WR at 27.  At that spot, you are likely taking a compromise WR for need over better players at other positions.  
 

Maybe someone like Rashee Rice will show that he deserves a late round 1 selection, but as of now looks like they won’t get a sniff of the two top prospects in Johnston and Addison.  I love what I’ve seen of a couple slot receivers, but can you really take a slot only guy that early and think that is a better plan than an OT or other premium position player that can be more versatile?

 

I completely agree Johnson and Addison will be out-of-reach...But beyond those two...For the Bills at least...Because they already have Diggs, Davis, Shakir, and probably Beasley for a year...I like Jalin Hyatt better than any other WR by a bit...He could have a Wilson/Waddle effect for Buffalo...He's electric...

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27.

Broderick Jones

OT Georgia

 

59.

Jalin Hyatt

WR Tennessee

 

91.

Steve Avila

OG TCU

 

130.

Daiyan Henley

LB Washington State

 

139.

DeMarcco Hellams

S Alabama

 

164.

Daniel Scott

S California

[CNYfan]

12 hours ago, Yantha said:

Noticing not many see CB as a draft need.  I have the position fairly high, despite going CB in round 1 last year.

 

 

I have Safety as a priority need.

[Airseven]

R1. IOL/WR

R2. WR/IOL

R3. OL

R4. RB/TE

R5. TE/RB, OL

[billsfan89]

TE is not a tragic pick in round 1 but it would be a disappointment when Oline and WR are more pressing needs and the value at one of those positions should be there

[Victory Formation]

4 hours ago, Airseven said:

R1. IOL/WR

R2. WR/IOL

R3. OL

R4. RB/TE

R5. TE/RB, OL

Need safety help and we need another starter at LB. I think that the first two rounds should 100% absolutely be offense though.

[quincy]

No DB drafted!

 

[LyndonvilleBill]

11 minutes ago, quincy said:

No DB drafted!

 

Really liking Campbell as a replacement for Edmunds if he isn't retained. 

[Johnny3410]

27. O'Cyrus Torrence

OG Florida

 

59. Cedric Tillman

WR Tennessee

 

91. Tyler Steen

OT Alabama

 

130. Ronnie Hickman

S Ohio State

 

139. Dorian Williams

LB Tulane

 

164. DJ Turner

CB Michigan

[Nephilim17]

On 1/28/2023 at 12:59 PM, Bill from NYC said:

Outstanding, but will Hyatt last until late round 2? 

This site thinks he won't even make it till the second.

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jalin-Hyatt-WR-Tennessee#:~:text=Scouting Report%3A Summary,round pick Alabama's Jameson Williams.

If the Bills love him and he's as fast as they say and there's some confidence he can expand his route tree, take him in the first. Don't overthink it. We'll get two good O-lineman with the 2nd and 3rd picks.

[Warriorspikes51]

8 hours ago, quincy said:

No DB drafted!

 

 

The first 2 picks are a home run.  If Edmunds is retained, hopefully a quality WR is on the board in the 3rd

[CapeBreton]

After picking Terrel Bernard at pick 89, why bother with mock drafts? What an awful pick.

[Bill from NYC]

6 hours ago, Johnny3410 said:

27. O'Cyrus Torrence

OG Florida

 

59. Cedric Tillman

WR Tennessee

 

91. Tyler Steen

OT Alabama

 

130. Ronnie Hickman

S Ohio State

 

139. Dorian Williams

LB Tulane

 

164. DJ Turner

CB Michigan

As a life long Crimson Tide Fan, I must say that I am not overly thrilled by Steen, even though a 3rd is not a terribly high risk for a LT.

 

My thing is that he isn't great  at run blocking or pass blocking and isn't terribly strong, or at least does not seem to be. I am very curious to see his bench numbers with 225 at the combines. He truly was the worst LT that Alabama has fielded in more than 10 years. That said, he is smart and I guess that there is room for improvement.

 

I will evaluate all of the draft eligible players on the college board before the draft.

[Yantha]

*Bills SPEND on free agent GUARDS in the Free Agency with this mock.

 

[CNYfan]

On 1/30/2023 at 4:21 PM, Victory Formation said:

Need safety help and we need another starter at LB. I think that the first two rounds should 100% absolutely be offense though.

I may be terrible, but I am really looking at Safety.  Chase and Hurst running wide open for TDs has left an imprint on my mind.  I need a Safety in the top 50.  

[Yantha]

18 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

I may be terrible, but I am really looking at Safety.  Chase and Hurst running wide open for TDs has left an imprint on my mind.  I need a Safety in the top 50.  

I've got safety high too, and I don't see why that makes you terrible?

Yes we've been blessed to have a top tandem for many years, but they are both on the wrong side of 30.  That's life in the NFL.

In my latest mock, I went with TWO Alabama safeties....

Edited February 2, 2023 by Yantha

[LABILLBACKER]

On 1/27/2023 at 1:56 PM, ngbills said:

PFF Mock:

 

27.

Anton Harrison

T Oklahoma

(best available at position of need, rookie starter) 

 

59.

Jalin Hyatt

WR Tennessee

(weapon with speed) 

 

91.

Steve Avila

G TCU

(another potential OL starter)  

 

130.

Olusegun Oluwatimi

C Michigan

(Another OL, Morse future replacement) 

 

139.

Riley Moss

CB Iowa

(Need DB help, first year contributor) 

 

164.

Deuce Vaughn

RB Kansas State

(Depth in RB room)

 

205.

Cameron Latu

TE Alabama

(Solid TE2)

 

247.

Jadon Haselwood

WR Arkansas

(Has size, practice squad)

 

 

Now this is more like it.

[Low Positive]

You can try to will Jalin Hyatt to pick 59 in your mocks all you want, but he’s not making it there. This is a weak draft and FA class at WR, so guys will get overpaid and overdrafted. 

[Milanos Milano]

14 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

You can try to will Jalin Hyatt to pick 59 in your mocks all you want, but he’s not making it there. This is a weak draft and FA class at WR, so guys will get overpaid and overdrafted. 

Jalin Hyatt is worth the #27 at face value anyways. All SEC WRs that ran sub 4.4 and posted at least one 1,000 yard season went in the first round. Not only did they go in the first round, every single example the WR with similar stats went on or are looking like all pros. 

Edited February 2, 2023 by IronMaidenBills

[newcam2012]

39 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

I may be terrible, but I am really looking at Safety.  Chase and Hurst running wide open for TDs has left an imprint on my mind.  I need a Safety in the top 50.  

I don't like this mindset. The Bills shouldn't be thinking defense. Fraizer and McD have shown that their defensive scheme doesn't work in the playoffs. Neglect the defense and go all in on the offense! Load up on the  OL and WRs. Give Allen the best chance to outscore teams. That's the only viable way the Bills win. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 hour ago, Yantha said:

*Bills SPEND on free agent GUARDS in the Free Agency with this mock.

 

Yes if the Bills land even just one upper level G in free agency that would be a great draft. Right on.

[Low Positive]

12 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Jalin Hyatt is worth the #27 at face value anyways. All SEC WRs that ran sub 4.4 and posted at least one 1,000 yard season went in the first round. Not only did they go in the first round, every single example the WR with similar stats went on or are looking like all pros. 

I think this is a risk that the Bills have to take, but it is a risk. The fear is that Hyatt is John Ross. Ross is also blazing fast and had a single breakout year in college. He also had a limited route tree in college. Ross never adjusted to playing in a pro offense. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

12 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

I think this is a risk that the Bills have to take, but it is a risk. The fear is that Hyatt is John Ross. Ross is also blazing fast and had a single breakout year in college. He also had a limited route tree in college. Ross never adjusted to playing in a pro offense. 

I like what he represents, leans into Josh's arm strength. 

 

But I agree, he's a go-route runner and there isn't much data on how he does against press coverage. 

 

Diggs runs every route, and is just fast enough to allow deep routes as well. A more polished WR underneath may be a "safer" path. 

 

Once Hyatt runs a 4.31, he might not be there anyways. 

 

The other interesting nuiance to this is outside WR verses the slot. Jaxson Smith-Njigba would take over the starting slot role immediately, but the potential ramifications are Gabe is still starting on the outside, and Kahlil Shakir doesn't factor in. 

 

The Bills tried Davis a full time starter on the outside and it was a failure. Simply entrusting Shakir to the starting slot role next year would be a risk, although he has looked capable in 30% - 40% playing time. 

 

It may come down to, just take the best WR on the board at 27 regardless of position. 

 

 

31 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I don't like this mindset. The Bills shouldn't be thinking defense. Fraizer and McD have shown that their defensive scheme doesn't work in the playoffs. Neglect the defense and go all in on the offense! Load up on the  OL and WRs. Give Allen the best chance to outscore teams. That's the only viable way the Bills win. 

 

I kind of agree here. 

 

Oliver, Rousseau, Epenesa, Basham, Elam, there has been alot of defensive investment. 

 

Coaches need to get more out of those players. 

 

The offensive progress stopped because Diggs is the last A talent that has been added. 

Edited February 2, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, CNYfan said:

I may be terrible, but I am really looking at Safety.  Chase and Hurst running wide open for TDs has left an imprint on my mind.  I need a Safety in the top 50.  

Riley Moss and Sydney Brown can probably be had in those spots or later. Brown is from Canada

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Jalin Hyatt is worth the #27 at face value anyways. All SEC WRs that ran sub 4.4 and posted at least one 1,000 yard season went in the first round. Not only did they go in the first round, every single example the WR with similar stats went on or are looking like all pros. 

Henry Riggs didn’t.