Royale with Cheese Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: There are 4000 posts calling to trade him. We are supposedly in a Super Bowl window so he must be real easy to replace, right? Ed Oliver isn't making or breaking our Super Bowl chances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, HappyDays said: Yeah he's not terrible, just underwhelming given his draft position. People wanting to just trade him for a 4th or whatever are crazy. The only reason I'd trade him is if we're using the trade as a way to acquire a difference maker on offense. We're unlikely to extend him next year so I'm fine letting him go a year early if it still improves our team overall in 2023. That's exactly why we want to trade him. It's not to carry over the cap or because we really want a Day 3 pick. Even if we simply use his 10M to sign a different DT and Wagner so we can use our early round picks on Offense.. to me, that's a better use of cap space than 10M for Oliver. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 I’d like to see how he does in camp and first 4-6 games. If he doesn’t produce trade him and get something, anything for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Ed Oliver isn't making or breaking our Super Bowl chances. Who plays his role if he is gone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SCBills Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Who plays his role if he is gone? Why is that more important than Josh's potential WR2 or OL upgrade? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Who plays his role if he is gone? The roster isn't complete right now and his production isn't completely irreplaceable. He's worth giving up to get a better OL or WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 I think he may get traded during the draft for a 4th rounder if we take a DT in the first three rounds. We have no DT's under contract for 2024 and we need to replenish the trenches with young talent. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, wppete said: Why this game? Whyyyyyyyyy 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 His comments are weird but I’m not sure it signals anything yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, JaCrispy said: Why this game? Whyyyyyyyyy 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, JaCrispy said: Why this game? Whyyyyyyyyy Oliver see's what could be coming, so hes just facing reality IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 16 minutes ago, SCBills said: Why is that more important than Josh's potential WR2 or OL upgrade? He’s a starter and key player on defense (whether or not he meets the expectations required). Not more important but still importance to the team overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Ed Oliver isn't making or breaking our Super Bowl chances. But any move away from him is almist certainly a significant downgrade. You only do that to get something good back in return. A mid round pick in this ***** draft ain't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The roster isn't complete right now and his production isn't completely irreplaceable. He's worth giving up to get a better OL or WR. Translation = you have zero clue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Why this game? Whyyyyyyyyy 😂 In terms of statistical game logs, it was his best of the year…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The roster isn't complete right now and his production isn't completely irreplaceable. He's worth giving up to get a better OL or WR. Agreed. If the Bills can use him to do that they should look to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: But any move away from him is almist certainly a significant downgrade. You only do that to get something good back in return. A mid round pick in this ***** draft ain't it. If he gets us a Jeudy, a Hopkins, an Evans or something comparable....it's worth it. Maybe we go after Poona Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: If he gets us a Jeudy, a Hopkins, an Evans or something comparable....it's worth it. Maybe we go after Poona Ford. I get the fascination for Evans and Hopkins, I really do. But I have to believe if you’re trading for a WR who you’ll have to rework a contract with and give up assets then why not do it for a younger guy with less mileage and a longer future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 37 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Agreed. For most of the season he was the best player on the D line. His season ended with a thud but overall I thought he was not the problem. He ate Wyatt Teller's lunch. Everyone's favorite long-lost guard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 No one is trading for Oliver this off-season. Best case scenario...he has a really good season with the Bills leading the defense on a deep playoff run, cashes in with another team during 2024 FA, and the Bills get a decent comp pick for losing him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Translation = you have zero clue? I'm sorry, I guess the roster is complete. "Ed Oliver for Jerry Jeudy...no way. I would rather keep Ed's 4 sacks." - 4merper4mer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Not gonna lie .. I'm kind of feeling this Bears Twitter Easter Egg breakdown of Oliver's IG posts. Three pictures/videos.. the opponents.. Lions, Packers, Vikings. Fwiw, they all really want their team to trade for Oliver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) He's not good enough to be a whiner. He's just an undersized starter who gets eaten up on most plays and every once in a while makes an impact play because he shoots a gap. Stefon Diggs is good enough to whine, Ed Oliver gets shipped out for cap savings and a case of athletic tape if he whines.....see ya Ed... Edited March 22, 2023 by JoeF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 I personally think @Royale with Cheese and @4merper4mer have a "secret thing" going on, but that's just me... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I'm sorry, I guess the roster is complete. "Ed Oliver for Jerry Jeudy...no way. I would rather keep Ed's 4 sacks." - 4merper4mer “Sacks stats = only thing I understand”. What’sisname Jerry Jeudy was overrated out of college because he played on a stacked team against inferior competition. He has done Jack Bupkus in the pros and Denver wants first plus for him. Brilliant. Oh,and he is a walking injury…….when he is actually able to walk. Edited March 22, 2023 by 4merper4mer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: But any move away from him is almist certainly a significant downgrade. You only do that to get something good back in return. A mid round pick in this ***** draft ain't it. I think this depends on how we look at the draft, and the other options on the board. Say, for sake of argument, we’re dying to add a quality WR. But we know we can’t get it done at pick 27, and we don’t want to burn draft capital to trade up. I don’t think this is the case, but perhaps we also feel confident that we could either draft Oliver’s replacement at 27 or sign a replacement in FA to a more economical deal than what Oliver has (Ford, perhaps?). In that context it might make sense to move Oliver to open cap space and help us acquire something that we can’t get at 27. What that something is, and who would be willing to take on Oliver for that purpose, is beyond me. Bottom line, I guess, is that there are a lot of moving parts here and how they perceive their needs and the ability to fill those needs in the draft might dictate their approach to Oliver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Simon said: This is a giant load. He's not only drawing doubles all year, which he was able to beat more often than most, he's also spent multiple snaps this year playing the edge. And by beating those double teams, he finished with 5 TFL’s and 2.5 sacks? You have a funny definition of ‘beating’. Also, disrupting and pressures are strawman-like arguments. That is like saying Gabe Davis almost caught the ball when the reality is he did not catch it. Ed does not finish plays, clearly. Stop with the rose colored glasses. There were plenty of times he was single-blocked and taken out of a play. Double teams all year? Not close. Triple teamed is flat out comical. Most on here would lambaste Beane if he signed a DT tomorrow on a 1 yr - $10m deal that last year produced 5 TFL and 2.5 sacks while being undersized. Ed is worth 1/2 that. Sure he has 3 good games a year. That should not be acceptable, but if it is for you that is just curious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: No one is trading for Oliver this off-season. Best case scenario...he has a really good season with the Bills leading the defense on a deep playoff run, cashes in with another team during 2024 FA, and the Bills get a decent comp pick for losing him. The comp pick obsession is out of control. Get the players you want. If they so happen get a comp pick great.. if not who cares Edited March 22, 2023 by GolfandBills 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 I’m over Ed Oliver. Got out played by Daquan Jones, a 31 year old 4th round journeyman (not to take away from Jones who was solid.) I think the teams resources can be better used elsewhere. I doubt they would get anything more than a 3rd round pick and that’s being super generous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: “Sacks stats = only thing I understand”. What’sisname Jerry Jeudy was overrated out of college because he played on a stacked team against inferior competition. He has done Jack Bupkus in the pros and Denver wants first plus for him. Brilliant. Oh,and he is a walking injury…….when he is actually able to walk. LOL. He's not in the backfield enough for a top ten 3-tech DT. Jeudy was overrated because he played on a stacked team against inferior competition? I guess we shouldn't draft anyone from Alabama, UGA or Ohio State because they are on a stacked team playing against inferior competition. WTF kind of mindset is that? Jeudy has had Teddy Bridgewater and Russell Wilson throwing to him in his career so far.... Edited March 22, 2023 by Royale with Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: But any move away from him is almist certainly a significant downgrade. You only do that to get something good back in return. A mid round pick in this ***** draft ain't it. I think Beane knows that and he is only traded if we get some WR or maybe OL upgrade in return. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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4merper4mer Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: LOL. He's not in the backfield enough for a top ten 3-tech DT. Jeudy was overrated because he played on a stacked team against inferior competition? I guess we shouldn't draft anyone from Alabama, UGA or Ohio State because they are on a stacked team playing against inferior competition. WTF kind of mindset is that? Jeudy has had Teddy Bridgewater and Russell Wilson throwing to him in his career so far.... Noticed you quickly edited the post where you didn’t even remember what you had posted 5 minutes ago and changed your tune. Jeudy is and was overrated. That doesn’t mean everyone from Bama is overrated but we have a little experience with some. Ruggs also played for the same Bama team. How’s he doing? Your diatribe is to dump Oliver because he hasn’t produced and you’re advocating picking up a guy that ………hasn’t produced but has excuses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) Man I cannot believe all the whining on this board....Beane sucks.....McD sucks...they can't draft, bla, bla, bla. FRAZIER IS GONE! That in itself is worth a high draft pick! Just a change in scheming, play calling and an increase in blitzing will make a huge difference in our players. Every one take a breath, it's mid March.... and remember, we pick 27th in every rd (except the 5th), and have only 6 picks. Beane is going to have a lot less control on what he can do and no control over the 26 picks ahead of him. The cap is what it is. He can trade back or dip into next years picks, that's it. Let's wait and see how things unfold. There is no telling what can happen. Maybe Carter slides to us and maybe we can move Ed to the Texans , Cards or Colts and get into the 33-36 range. One things for sure, not one poster on this board has a clue what will happen. Edited March 22, 2023 by nosejob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 DT is one of the biggest needs on the rosters. Daquan Jones is decent but he’s been around. Everybody else basically on 1yr deals. Doesn’t make too much sense to trade Ed now with no replacement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: LOL. He's not in the backfield enough for a top ten 3-tech DT. Jeudy was overrated because he played on a stacked team against inferior competition? I guess we shouldn't draft anyone from Alabama, UGA or Ohio State because they are on a stacked team playing against inferior competition. WTF kind of mindset is that? Jeudy has had Teddy Bridgewater and Russell Wilson throwing to him in his career so far.... Hey now, maybe he meant Oliver impressed losing to powerhouse programs like Memphis, SMU and Army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellofellowbillsfans Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 43 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Why this game? Whyyyyyyyyy because its the only game this year where he had a sack lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: If he gets us a Jeudy, a Hopkins, an Evans or something comparable....it's worth it. Maybe we go after Poona Ford. Agree with the bolded. Ford is better as a 1T and even Pete Carroll has said that. He would be a clear step down from Ed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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