The Jokeman Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Cameron Brate might be a cap casualty, he could also be a good 2nd TE here as I can't see him costing a lot of cap money toss in wouldn't count against the UFA loss/gain formula. Also he'd be cheaper than a WR. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 They don’t use their top 5 paid TE enough, why worry about who TE2 is? 2 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Bad back, had like 10 catches. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 25, 2023 Author Share Posted January 25, 2023 35 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: They don’t use their top 5 paid TE enough, why worry about who TE2 is? because with a lack of quality slot WR we might look to move the chains other ways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Are we going to do this with every player that gets cut from here until TC? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Are we going to do this with every player that gets cut from here until TC? McDermott and Frazier don't change their defense.. why should we change what we do every offseason? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Are we going to do this with every player that gets cut from here until TC? it's a football discussion group and everyone wants to turn over every stone...so yes. historically, as well, yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Are we going to do this with every player that gets cut from here until TC? If we stuck to discussing players all offseason that would be a huge step up from the usual topics that dominate between Feb and June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 What's the point of signing a second TE? Do we really think Dorsey can figure out how to use both? The last two offseasons we've signed a vet #2 TE in the spring just to end up cutting them before the season starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Should've gotten Hockstrap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 No. We have $625K in dead cap this year for the failed OJ Howard. Upgrade WR instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, damj said: No. We have $625K in dead cap this year for the failed OJ Howard. Upgrade WR instead And I believe Tampa gets a comp pick for that too. Incredible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, whorlnut said: Are we going to do this with every player that gets cut from here until TC? IDK should we? Welcome to offseason man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, whorlnut said: Are we going to do this with every player that gets cut from here until TC? Are you new here? The only surprise was that @Tipster19 didn’t start the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 As a receiving TE I've liked what I've seen from Morris. Would have liked to see more of him. And Shakir. Hines, etc...I'll say this for McD, he was right to sit Bernard (outside of a few ST assignments). I think Bernard was 100% a McD pick and is a good illustration of how limited this HC is and how things will continue to suffer under the mantra of the process. No doubt intangibles are important but only when in connection with some kind of actual talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: because with a lack of quality slot WR we might look to move the chains other ways. It's a point, although if he's a "cap casualty" in Tampa, I don't know how we afford him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 No....the top priority HAS to be OL and WR2....I wouldn't even consider a defensive player till the 5th round... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, starrymessenger said: As a receiving TE I've liked what I've seen from Morris. Would have liked to see more of him. And Shakir. Hines, etc...I'll say this for McD, he was right to sit Bernard (outside of a few ST assignments). I think Bernard was 100% a McD pick and is a good illustration of how limited this HC is and how things will continue to suffer under the mantra of the process. No doubt intangibles are important but only when in connection with some kind of actual talent. So it's kind of interesting, I read an article on Beane. Basically as a young multi-sport athlete, he was always under-sized and epitomized the "it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" mantra. McDermott was cast in the same mold (albeit, with a more restrained temper) as a DB. I wish I could find the link, IMHO it sort of shed some light on why Beane and McDermott may over-value under-sized players with "good work ethic" "good background" etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 2 hours ago, LabattBlue said: They don’t use their top 5 paid TE enough, why worry about who TE2 is? They use their Top 5 paid TE to constantly block for an otherwise outmanned OL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: And I believe Tampa gets a comp pick for that too. Incredible. on that one Hell ... this kid golfs better than me Edited January 25, 2023 by damj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, damj said: on that one Hell ... this kid golfs better than me The hype was real on that one too. We were sold the idea having both him and Knox out there as double threat on top of Diggs and Davis would be a nightmare for DCs. Edited January 25, 2023 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Can he play Offensive Guard? Is so…. go for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNutHawaii Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, whorlnut said: Are we going to do this with every player that gets cut from here until TC? Yes we are. Let's just cut to the chase right now and ask this about every possible available player. I'll go first, Tom Brady, available, should we do it? I say yes, think about the endless possibilities here, to include setting a new record for most TBD pages to a thread, even exceeding the "Mario Williams" record. Are you starting to see the benefits of this brilliant idea? Who's next? (We are in off season mode - so why not?) Edited January 26, 2023 by BillsNutHawaii Add content 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 We don't use TE1. Why bother with TE2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 10 hours ago, whorlnut said: Are we going to do this with every player that gets cut from here until TC? Yes. Kind of a must have thread whenever someone gets cut that wasn’t Mr. Irrelevant. Oh man, that’s gonna change! It’s one of my pastimes actually. As soon as I read a known individual get cut, I come here to see the thread. Never disappointed. Although, there is always some go pros and cons within the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 16 hours ago, Beck Water said: So it's kind of interesting, I read an article on Beane. Basically as a young multi-sport athlete, he was always under-sized and epitomized the "it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog" mantra. McDermott was cast in the same mold (albeit, with a more restrained temper) as a DB. I wish I could find the link, IMHO it sort of shed some light on why Beane and McDermott may over-value under-sized players with "good work ethic" "good background" etc. Dunno. Other than Oliver, who is undersized for a DT but still an outstanding athlete, they typically go for athletic freaks even if the player is underdeveloped. Even by NFL standards Allen, Edmunds, Rousseau and Brown are athletic freaks at their positions. And all were very raw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 20 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Dunno. Other than Oliver, who is undersized for a DT but still an outstanding athlete, they typically go for athletic freaks even if the player is underdeveloped. Even by NFL standards Allen, Edmunds, Rousseau and Brown are athletic freaks at their positions. And all were very raw. The problem with going for raw, underdeveloped athletic freaks with high draft picks is, unless a team can really develop them quickly, they wind up starting to contribute just before they want to get paid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 37 minutes ago, Beck Water said: The problem with going for raw, underdeveloped athletic freaks with high draft picks is, unless a team can really develop them quickly, they wind up starting to contribute just before they want to get paid. Absolutely it is a big drawback. It really depends on the opportunity cost. Who else is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 20 hours ago, The Jokeman said: Cameron Brate might be a cap casualty, he could also be a good 2nd TE here as I can't see him costing a lot of cap money toss in wouldn't count against the UFA loss/gain formula. Also he'd be cheaper than a WR. Thoughts? Quinton Morse has shown us that he has really good hands & knows the offense but neither him or really Knox were used as much as they should have so before we go getting rid of Morse or Sweeney i'd say lets utilize what is there first because what we have in Knox is good & Q wasn't used correctly IMHO . So maybe bring him in for camp & if he shows to be "That Guy" then sure but i think Q needs a bigger shot because the dude has made some pretty incredible catches i thought at times when they really needed them this year . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 52 minutes ago, T master said: Quinton Morse has shown us that he has really good hands & knows the offense but neither him or really Knox were used as much as they should have so before we go getting rid of Morse or Sweeney i'd say lets utilize what is there first because what we have in Knox is good & Q wasn't used correctly IMHO . Sweeney is a FA, and I don't see us re-signing him I would like to see more of Morris. He showed good route running abilities and good hands in the targets he got. And, a good number of the yards he got were after the catch. What I don't know, is how is his blocking coming along. Better than Sweeney overall I guess, since Morris bumped him on the depth chart and overall took 30% of the snaps! but that might be too low of a bar. I agree with you that we didn't get as much offensive contribution out of the TE position as we could have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 21 hours ago, whorlnut said: Are we going to do this with every player that gets cut from here until TC? Simple answer yes we are 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Simple answer yes we are Hey, I didn’t say I was gonna do it. I just said somebody was gonna do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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