I said this Last Year McDermott lacks the killer instinct.

[vanhalen26]

I think he’s a very good head coach / motivator and team manager and very well prepared for gameday,  but he’s not great functionally and needs stronger support at DC and OC.  

[Dubie54]

17 hours ago, billieve420 said:

I am slowing coming to the same conclusion on whether McDermott will ever be able to get team over the hump. I am hoping we get lucky and win at least 1 Super Bowl in my lifetime. However, I don't see dynasty coming from this coaching staff.

Dynasty is not coming from this organization just based on the all of the draft picks we have missed on while other teams like KC and Cinci have excelled. We have dug ourselves a hole in tying up massive amount of cap space on a select number of players with limited opps in FA for the coming year. We have to nail the draft this year and hopefully find some value players in FA that can outperform.

 

I am also concerned about Beane's excuse of a press conference - is that really going to be the position of the front office - that we weren't bad enough to get someone like Chase, while discounting all of of the bad draft decisions he has made. Just like the 13 seconds last year - where is the accountability? 

[pocoboy]

It's tough to disagree with the title assertion. In the Miami playoff game, he looked like he was ready to somewhere between cry and blow chunks on the sideline.

 

I think he did an outstanding job making some hard decisions early on to harvest draft capital for key players, invest in quality mid-level veteran leaders, and together with Beane set up the team to be able to acquire a ton of quality in those early seasons. 

 

There have been points where the in-game decision making has improved. I find that correlating strongly to offensive proficiency, especially on 4th down. Recency bias, in effect. But since Daboll left, it seems like McDermott (and maybe the offense in general) has lost confidence in either the playcalling, the scheme, or both.

 

But McDermott is loyal, and I think a lot of his decisions are based on that. His philosophy, humble & hungry, is also "we win as family" from what I can tell. So if a player acts like it was a catch, he's gonna challenge unless he's absolutely sure it's not. I don't think he wants to fire his close confidants. And most of all, I think he wants to send messages to his defense that he believes in them.

[US Egg]

1 hour ago, rm -rf /* said:

I am sorry, he is a 2x National Champion Wrestler.  Trust me, he knows how to step on someones throat.

[BigBuff423]

I made this statement in the Sean Payton thread, but go get Jim Harbaugh. Pay whatever and get it done. He could build a team to win in Buffalo with Josh at the helm and I can guarantee you, that team would not be soft. 

 

Edit: total whiff on my part as I confused the Jim and John of the Harbaugh family...I've fixed it. 

Edited January 31, 2023 by BigBuff423

[Rebel101]

19 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I love when posters try to support a point they're making by describing how they've made the same point elsewhere.

 

"I was just saying to my brother the other day ..."

 

Hey that's great. I guess if you said it last year it must be etched in stone by now.

Lol no it’s just a reminder to all who crucified me for saying it before last season, who now are saying the same thing. Maybe you were one of them and now upset you are among us. 

[Royale with Cheese]

19 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

You need to define "the killer instinct" for this thread to have any semblance of meaning. 

 

I'm also confused on the killer instinct part.  

[Gregg]

32 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

I made this statement in the Sean Payton thread, but go get Jim Harbaugh. Pay whatever and get it done. He could build a team to win in Buffalo with Josh at the helm and I can guarantee you, that team would not be soft. 

 

Edit: total whiff on my part as I confused the Jim and John of the Harbaugh family...I've fixed it. 

 

Didn't he already announce that he was staying Michigan. Wishful thinking on my part but I wish Bill was available. Won 6 Super Bowls with Brady so I have no doubt he would win with Josh. 

[Solomon Grundy]

20 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Humble and hungry…. That’s the Bills…

 

Dont think it’s the Bengals or Chiefs though…

Survive and advance is even worse

[Rebel101]

2 hours ago, vanhalen26 said:

I think he’s a very good head coach / motivator and team manager and very well prepared for gameday,  but he’s not great functionally and needs stronger support at DC and OC.  

I agree with all of it beside the HC. The mistakes made on gameday come down to his decision. Each & everyone of them. So while stronger OC n DC are needed, a soft HC kind of makes all that ***** not matter. 

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I'm also confused on the killer instinct part.  

He has no balls bro. He gets scared, he allows teams to stay in the game or come back by applying softer and safer methods. When we are up at 30 at half and we are fighting at the end. Something inside his body turns into a little girl during the playoffs. He doesn’t have the heart inside of his body to beat a team into submission. All his inner strength comes from his faith. I don’t know about you but God doesn’t answer my prayers. He has repeatedly shown he doesn’t have what it takes to bully a team nor finish a season. 

[TheFunPolice]

I disagree. 

 

McDermott is very aggressive.. on offense that is. 

 

Oddly, it's defense where he seems to back off and let the game come to him. That said, he doesn't call the plays. 

 

I would like to see McDermott take more ownership of the D and call the plays, and I think we would see more aggression there. 

[Rebel101]

4 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

I agree with all of it beside the HC. The mistakes made on gameday come down to his decision. Each & everyone of them. So while stronger OC n DC are needed, a soft HC kind of makes all that ***** not matter. 

He has no balls bro. He gets scared, he allows teams to stay in the game or come back by applying softer and safer methods. When we are up at 30 at half and we are fighting at the end. Something inside his body turns into a little girl during the playoffs. He doesn’t have the heart inside of his body to beat a team into submission. All his inner strength comes from his faith. I don’t know about you but God doesn’t answer my prayers. He has repeatedly shown he doesn’t have what it takes to bully a team nor finish a season. 

It’s like when you fight someone maybe something inside you tells you that’s enough while something inside of me wants to see how much blood I can make come out of their body. 

[Rebel101]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

I disagree. 

 

McDermott is very aggressive.. on offense that is. 

 

Oddly, it's defense where he seems to back off and let the game come to him. That said, he doesn't call the plays. 

 

I would like to see McDermott take more ownership of the D and call the plays, and I think we would see more aggression there. 

Nothing about McDermott is aggressive. Running every 2nd down then throwing 30 yards downfield on 3rd n short is not aggressive & it’s horrible play calling. I understand once and awhile someone pops open but a 30 yard post route shouldn’t be the hot read every 3rd n short. Especially when you punt inside the opponents 40 in the playoffs.

[Eastport bills]

Forget the killer instincts, he’s a defensive coach that hasn’t installed a defensive strategy that features physicality, pressure on the QB or game planning against top teams. His decision to play Poyer in the playoffs and not double the receiver that White covered was costly. Poyer was clearly struggling since his injury and didn’t practice for both playoffs. He couldn’t cover or tackle. The short answer is he was better than the alternative, but that’s on the HC. I like Sean,  and he brings leadership skills that are important,but with Josh being exposed as our entire offense, an offensive minded HC would suit us better with an aggressive DC improving that side of the ball.

[Trock]

4 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

Sorry cincinatti is a quality opponent 

 

McDermott doesn’t do well against actual opponents 

Wrong.  McD has proven to win again quality teams and win close games.  

[nosejob]

21 hours ago, damj said:

Keep Dorsey and McDermott.

 

Dump Frazier.

 

Add a young innovative DC for McDermott to work with and Greg Roman as run game coordinator.

 

And replace Washington as D-Line coach

Agree with all. Not a big fan of Roman ,but I suppose he could provide some balance.

[damj]

10 minutes ago, nosejob said:

Agree with all. Not a big fan of Roman ,but I suppose he could provide some balance.

I would hate having him as OC, but if he would be willing to take a lesser role, I'd do it

[nosejob]

10 minutes ago, damj said:

I would hate having him as OC, but if he would be willing to take a lesser role, I'd do it

Yeah, no. Assistant to Dorsey period.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

On 1/22/2023 at 7:25 PM, Rebel101 said:

McDermott has done a lot for Buffalo. him dorsey and Frazier need to go. Team has been sloppy and lacked motivation since the bye

McDermott has the same thing to some degree as Doug Marrone did. 

 

He's seen it all, done it all, been in every situation, always gives a generic answer. I find him dismissive of real football questions. 

 

But then you see Sean out there in 2022 playing Pat Mahomes with a prevent defense like its 1983. 

 

Then we get to the Divisional in 2023 and it's Cincinnati, again it's soft zone, not challenging WRs. 

 

Today, you can get the All-22, there are ex-NFL QBs who break this film down now and explain scheme. So these generic answers by McDermott and Frazier don't hold weight. 

 

Do the Bills feel cutting edge? 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, Rebel101 said:

I agree with all of it beside the HC. The mistakes made on gameday come down to his decision. Each & everyone of them. So while stronger OC n DC are needed, a soft HC kind of makes all that ***** not matter. 

He has no balls bro. He gets scared, he allows teams to stay in the game or come back by applying softer and safer methods. When we are up at 30 at half and we are fighting at the end. Something inside his body turns into a little girl during the playoffs. He doesn’t have the heart inside of his body to beat a team into submission. All his inner strength comes from his faith. I don’t know about you but God doesn’t answer my prayers. He has repeatedly shown he doesn’t have what it takes to bully a team nor finish a season. 

 

In your mind, the divisional round against the Pats last year was a close game or something?

[Nextmanup]

15 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

McDermott has the same thing to some degree as Doug Marrone did. 

 

He's seen it all, done it all, been in every situation, always gives a generic answer. I find him dismissive of real football questions. 

 

But then you see Sean out there in 2022 playing Pat Mahomes with a prevent defense like its 1983. 

 

Then we get to the Divisional in 2023 and it's Cincinnati, again it's soft zone, not challenging WRs. 

 

Today, you can get the All-22, there are ex-NFL QBs who break this film down now and explain scheme. So these generic answers by McDermott and Frazier don't hold weight. 

 

Do the Bills feel cutting edge? 

This may just be my incorrect perception, but...

The best OCs out there design a "family" of plays that emerge from an IDENTICAL set with IDENTICAL personnel on the field.  But from that look, they can do like 4 totally different things.

 

They might do option 1, two times, and then line up that way on a big 3rd down.  The D says "we've seen this before, I know what they are going to do" but then you hit them with option 4 from that same set, and they are caught totally by surprise.

To me, this is a part of "advanced" coordinating at the NFL level.

 

Does Dorsey even do things like this?  My perception is he does not.

 

How many times have we been penalized for a pick?  We should be doing that stuff ALL THE TIME and eventually, you'll get called for it.

Hell, when was the last time we ran a successful screen, slants, so many other things!

 

I think this is why our YAC is terrible.  The game plan seems to be "run around, when I see you standing somewhere without anyone near you, I'll throw you the ball."

 

And then when it's caught, 3 defenders descend on the receiver with zero shot at gaining extra yardage.

 

 

[Rebel101]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

In your mind, the divisional round against the Pats last year was a close game or something?

That’s all you got? The divisional opponent part is probably the only reason that game played as such. And Belicheat. Because the Dolphins wild card round this year was I believe a game on its own every coach should be fired for & we won. It was a lack of coaching, a lack of having your men prepared, it was a lack of keeping them hungry, instead of letting them believe they were gonna walk in there n walk out with a W. Seemed as if they treated the bengals game as such as well. No heart, no fire just walked in like no matter what JA got it. Coach is weak 

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

This may just be my incorrect perception, but...

The best OCs out there design a "family" of plays that emerge from an IDENTICAL set with IDENTICAL personnel on the field.  But from that look, they can do like 4 totally different things.

 

They might do option 1, two times, and then line up that way on a big 3rd down.  The D says "we've seen this before, I know what they are going to do" but then you hit them with option 4 from that same set, and they are caught totally by surprise.

To me, this is a part of "advanced" coordinating at the NFL level.

 

Does Dorsey even do things like this?  My perception is he does not.

 

How many times have we been penalized for a pick?  We should be doing that stuff ALL THE TIME and eventually, you'll get called for it.

Hell, when was the last time we ran a successful screen, slants, so many other things!

 

I think this is why our YAC is terrible.  The game plan seems to be "run around, when I see you standing somewhere without anyone near you, I'll throw you the ball."

 

And then when it's caught, 3 defenders descend on the receiver with zero shot at gaining extra yardage.

 

 

I agree and the receivers have too free of an option to go deep if they think they can beat the DB. A WR will always think he can beat the DB

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

That’s all you got? The divisional opponent part is probably the only reason that game played as such. And Belicheat. Because the Dolphins wild card round this year was I believe a game on its own every coach should be fired for & we won. It was a lack of coaching, a lack of having your men prepared, it was a lack of keeping them hungry, instead of letting them believe they were gonna walk in there n walk out with a W. Seemed as if they treated the bengals game as such as well. No heart, no fire just walked in like no matter what JA got it. Coach is weak 

 

That's all I got?  WTF?  We literally scored on every single drive and played a perfect offensive game.  In your mind, that doesn't count as a beat down and that's pretty crazy.

 

"Let them believe they were gonna walk in there n walk out with a W?"  JA is a major reason why the Dolphins stayed in the game.  3 turnovers, 1 for a TD and the other at the 18 yard line, the last one coming back to midfield.

 

I'm down on McDermott right now too but I'm not going to exaggerate and judge him.  "All his strength comes from his inner faith...god doesn't answer my prayers".  

Geezus.

[Thurman#1]

On 1/31/2023 at 5:59 AM, Billever76 said:

The process is Allen playing like superman and the defense not living up to all the resources it is swallowing

 

 

 

Oh, please. Before the injuries started we were widely considered the best roster in the league, certainly top couple. And up till the Von Miller and Micah Hyde injuries, and many others and finally Poyer and White injuries making them shells of their former selves, and on top of that DaQuan missing our most important game, that D was kicking butt. That D held the Chiefs to 20 this year.

 

And the offense started not running very well and gradually figured out how to get a really nice RB run game going.

 

On 1/31/2023 at 5:46 AM, Billever76 said:

Maybe one day you will see the forest from the trees too

 

 

Zero substance there, zero. When you start to see posts like these, you know the person hasn't got all that much of an argument.

[Thurman#1]

20 hours ago, Rebel101 said:

 

He has no balls bro. He gets scared, he allows teams to stay in the game or come back by applying softer and safer methods. When we are up at 30 at half and we are fighting at the end. Something inside his body turns into a little girl during the playoffs. He doesn’t have the heart inside of his body to beat a team into submission. All his inner strength comes from his faith. I don’t know about you but God doesn’t answer my prayers. He has repeatedly shown he doesn’t have what it takes to bully a team nor finish a season. 

 

18 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

In your mind, the divisional round against the Pats last year was a close game or something?

 

16 hours ago, Rebel101 said:

That’s all you got? The divisional opponent part is probably the only reason that game played as such. And Belicheat. Because the Dolphins wild card round this year was I believe a game on its own every coach should be fired for & we won. It was a lack of coaching, a lack of having your men prepared, it was a lack of keeping them hungry, instead of letting them believe they were gonna walk in there n walk out with a W. Seemed as if they treated the bengals game as such as well. No heart, no fire just walked in like no matter what JA got it. Coach is weak 

 

 

 

Um, it's not that that's all he's got. It's that that was all he needed. Your statement was unspecific, weak and obviously wrong, on many points. The most obvious being that a team that allows teams to say in the game or come back wouldn't have won games this year by 21, 34, 35 and 22 points. Most of those did come early in the season before the injuries softened up the D so much, but this is a team that has crushed a lot of teams over the past couple of years.

 

He pointed out one of a bunch of examples where we absolutely put teams away the last few years under McDermott. And destroyed your flaccid little argument.

 

Then you throw a bunch of word salad at him, empty justifications, irrelevant nonsense and the logical equivalent of saying "is not is not is not," and pretend you made your point. You didn't. You just threw a bunch of arguments at the wall and hoped some stuck. They didn't. And the final fizzle is the usual, "it's a lack of coaching" with zero specifics backing that up.

[Rebel101]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

 

Um, it's not that that's all he's got. It's that that was all he needed. Your statement was unspecific, weak and obviously wrong, on many points. The most obvious being that a team that allows teams to say in the game or come back wouldn't have won games this year by 21, 34, 35 and 22 points. Most of those did come early in the season before the injuries softened up the D so much, but this is a team that has crushed a lot of teams over the past couple of years.

 

He pointed out one of a bunch of examples where we absolutely put teams away the last few years under McDermott. And destroyed your flaccid little argument.

 

Then you throw a bunch of word salad at him, empty justifications, irrelevant nonsense and the logical equivalent of saying "is not is not is not," and pretend you made your point. You didn't. You just threw a bunch of arguments at the wall and hoped some stuck. They didn't. And the final fizzle is the usual, "it's a lack of coaching" with zero specifics backing that up.

I shouldn’t need specifics and if youve read my other posts I’ve named some. Maybe we don’t watch the same games. Because the coaching isn’t there. If I wanted to throw ***** on a wall I’d pull up to your house 

[newcam2012]

On 1/30/2023 at 10:57 PM, Mark Vader said:

Do you have replacements in mind?

 

Don't just hit & run.

Im sure Frank Reich would have been interested. Buffalo ties and well respected in the football community. 

 

I don't really follow the available coaches. I'm confident in saying that there would be great interest in coaching Bflo. Pretty sure they could land a high quality coaching staff. Hard to say if it would be an upgrade...

Edited February 3, 2023 by newcam2012

[Big Blitz]

On 2/1/2023 at 8:28 AM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Oh, please. Before the injuries started we were widely considered the best roster in the league, certainly top couple. And up till the Von Miller and Micah Hyde injuries, and many others and finally Poyer and White injuries making them shells of their former selves, and on top of that DaQuan missing our most important game, that D was kicking butt. That D held the Chiefs to 20 this year.

 

And the offense started not running very well and gradually figured out how to get a really nice RB run game going.

 

 

 

Zero substance there, zero. When you start to see posts like these, you know the person hasn't got all that much of an argument.

 

That defense is no longer affordable and the draft track record of this regime since 2019 is atrocious.

 

I know other teams passed on DK and AJ Brown - I’d like to not be the team taking Cody Ford over them.   

 

The big benefit we got from rookie contract Josh Allen was an elite defense against horrible to ok offenses - that choked in big games vs elite ones.  Very little capital outside of Diggs used on offense.   
 

We’re in the retool phase now - centered around the contract of a 34 year old DE off an ACL tear. 
 

This will be Beane’s toughest year since 2017.  

[Rebel101]

The Eagles have won a SB, fired their coach, traded, & drafted another QB and are back in the Super Bowl during Mcdermott & Beane’s Tenure. No? Why are we complacent with the current Buffalo Bills coaching & front office personnel? Why do we think they have brought the Bills over the hump? I feel like we are Tampa Bay & we have to fire the soft old Tony for the young fiery John. 

[Warcodered]

I feel like I've seen this thread before.

[DrDawkinstein]

The Eagles had a 3-Man QB Controversy between Wentz, Foles, and Hurts that pitted Coaches against Coaches, and Coaches against Front Office.

 

That is the only reason they fired Pederson and revamped the coaching staff.

 

Not some guru GM amazing foresight.

[Rebel101]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

The Eagles had a 3-Man QB Controversy between Wentz, Foles, and Hurts that pitted Coaches against Coaches, and Coaches against Front Office.

 

That is the only reason they fired Pederson and revamped the coaching staff.

 

Not some guru GM amazing foresight.

No a GM who sees a winner n isn’t scared to do what needs to be done. 

[QB Bills]

They beat Daniel Jones and an armless Brock Purdy to get there. Can't recall an easier path to the championship. They're a well-rounded team, but they've also gotten incredibly fortunate this season.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

No a GM who sees a winner n isn’t scared to do what needs to be done. 

 

Ok, and who is the hot-handed winner on our team that needs the chance they arent getting?

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

The Eagles had a 3-Man QB Controversy between Wentz, Foles, and Hurts that pitted Coaches against Coaches, and Coaches against Front Office.

 

That is the only reason they fired Pederson and revamped the coaching staff.

 

Not some guru GM amazing foresight.

 

firing your SB winner and then going with Hurts as your starter (and getting picks for Wentz) took some big nuts.

 

Plus there's this:

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

firing your SB winner and then going with Hurts as your starter (and getting picks for Wentz) took some big nuts.

 

Plus there's this:

 

 

 

I dont think it was big guts to move on from Wentz. And if Pederson wanted to make a stink about it and lay his neck on the line then so be it.

 

I give Rosen a bunch of credit, dont get me wrong.

 

I just dont see how any of that is analogous to the Bills situation. Other than folks wanting the Bills to fire a winning HC, but without the rationale.

[GunnerBill]

Roseman is the best GM in football IMO. But not because of the Head Coaching decisions which are made by Jeff Laurie in any event. 

 

Roseman understands you lose in the trenches, you lose on the scoreboard.

[JohnNord]

36 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

The Eagles have won a SB, fired their coach, traded, & drafted another QB and are back in the Super Bowl during Mcdermott & Beane’s Tenure. No? Why are we complacent with the current Buffalo Bills coaching & front office personnel? Why do we think they have brought the Bills over the hump? I feel like we are Tampa Bay & we have to fire the soft old Tony for the young fiery John. 

The fired Pederson after he went:

9-7

9-7

4-11

 

That’s a bit different than

10-6

13-3

12-5

13-3 

 

No?

 

[somnus00]

Roseman is the best GM in the NFL. He has hit on the draft and free agency. Plus, and this is big, when his moves don't seem to be panning out, he moves on instead of stubbornly trying to make it work.

[DrDawkinstein]

 

Imagine what Charger fans must be going through this offseason.

 

All the reasons to fire Staley, AND they wouldve been front-runners for Payton. But nah, RUN IT BACK! DO IT AGAIN!