Einstein Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Title says it’s all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Settle down. Comment says it all. 1 1 10 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Suspect on the first, good call on the second. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 15, 2023 Author Share Posted January 15, 2023 Just now, Kaenon said: Suspect on the first, good call on the second. The second timeout was the 4th and 1 timeout, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 I was irate on the second as well until I saw the replay. He was right to call it even though the D made the play. The 1st was a mistake. That said the Bills have a lot to clean up if they want to advance 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Both turned out to be terrible based on result of the play. Not sure why he called timeout as time was expiring on the 4th and 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 1 good and 1 bad. Needed a thread for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 I hated using both of them. I'm from the school of thought that you don't use defensive timeouts unless something crazy happens like 10 men on the field. The game was close, there was a chance we were gonna need those timeouts for a comeback attempt. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Haven't seen the first one back the second one was absolutely the right call. The D was all over the place and there were going to be multiple receivers open. In the end Thompson tried a low percentage throw and missed so it looks bad... but if he looked off to his left he had guys with no defenders opposite them. And I cursed it at first in the GDT. But when you see the replay that is ABSOLUTELY a spot where you call time out. 4 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) Timeouts by both teams were terrible. Really need to save those in the second half for the end of the game. Edited January 15, 2023 by vincec 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Xwnyer said: Both turned out to be terrible based on result of the play. Not sure why he called timeout as time was expiring on the 4th and 1 It appeared the Bills were not lined up properly and several players were open immediately. Thompson made a bad read and threw deep incomplete, so the result made it unnecessary but it could have been a big gain on a much easier throw if Thompson saw that. Edited January 15, 2023 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 1 minute ago, NUT said: If I was Pegula I'd hire whatever retired coach had a good challenge record and knew clock management. Take those gameday responsibilities away from McDermott. LOL That’s one hot take brotha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Just now, vincec said: Timeouts by both teams were terrible. Timeouts for the Fins might have cost them another chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Just now, 947 said: I hated using both of them. I'm from the school of thought that you don't use defensive timeouts unless something crazy happens like 10 men on the field. The game was close, there was a chance we were gonna need those timeouts for a comeback attempt. The second was wasn't 10 men on the field but it was something kinda crazy. Not sure why the D was so late getting set.... did they have the punt return team on originally or something? But half the D were stood in one spot almost still huddling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 There must be an app for calling Timeouts Needs to be installed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Just now, Big Turk said: It appeared the Bills were not lined up properly and several players were open immediately. Thompson made a bad read and three deep incomplete, so the result made it unnecessary but it could have been a big gain on a much easier throw if Thompson saw that. I thought it was hill on Milano 1x1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) Just now, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I thought it was hill on Milano 1x1 That's enough to make anyone call timeout. Could have very well gone for a TD with his speed and elusiveness. Edited January 15, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 McDermott needs to know ahead of time how plays will turn out so he doesn't call time out when plays go our way. 3 3 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 15, 2023 Author Share Posted January 15, 2023 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: The second was wasn't 10 men on the field but it was something kinda crazy. Not sure why the D was so late getting set.... did they have the punt return team on originally or something? But half the D were stood in one spot almost still huddling. I have to go back and watch this part. I missed them showing the defense not set. Crazy that we stuffed them despite not being set. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, Einstein said: I have to go back and watch this part. I missed them showing the defense not set. Crazy that we stuffed them despite not being set. Wrong play. The 4th and 1 we stuffed was delay of game on the Fins. It was the 4th and 5 the previous drive that they went for where we called TO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: McDermott needs to know ahead of time how plays will turn out so he doesn't call time out when plays go our way. It would be best if they were prepared before the play so that he didn’t feel the need to call TO to not get caught with the their pants down. Also, the timeout seems to have no bearing on whether the ensuing play is stopped or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: McDermott needs to know ahead of time how plays will turn out so he doesn't call time out when plays go our way. I know you’re being facetious but perhaps he needs to follow the George Constanza rule. Just do the OPPOSITE of what you think you should do 😂 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Wrong play. The 4th and 1 we stuffed was delay of game on the Fins. It was the 4th and 5 the previous drive that they went for where we called TO. Oh that’s right. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: Oh that’s right. Thank you. Normally I'd have followed with a sarcastic comment but I don't blame you losing track today... that was a wild and crazy game!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Absolutely hate his defensive TOs. Not only today. It allows the Offense to reset, and results are usually bad for Bills. Ex The Chiefs do not complete the Kelce pass to set up GW FG last year, except for that amazingly stupid defensive TO. Today the Dolphins likely don’t score their last TD except for defensive TO and the last 1 where Miami missed on 4th down, cost more than 50 yards of field position after the punt. I’m a big fan of McD, and give him a ton of credit for Bills recent success. However. I think there are times in big games where he wants to assert some direct responsibility for the outcome. And the unnecessary TOs come back to bite him. 13 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: 1 good and 1 bad. Needed a thread for this? Yes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 When you're the HC & see your MLB (Milano) with his arms outstretched with palms out, not knowing what to do at the snap, you...... Do nothing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Haven't seen the first one back the second one was absolutely the right call. The D was all over the place and there were going to be multiple receivers open. In the end Thompson tried a low percentage throw and missed so it looks bad... but if he looked off to his left he had guys with no defenders opposite them. And I cursed it at first in the GDT. But when you see the replay that is ABSOLUTELY a spot where you call time out. honestly, I don’t think you can really factor the result of the play on those ones at all. I did not like the attempt to force the review. It cost a play attempt and you know ny is looking even if the ref didn’t. I thought the last second on 4th was odd with the impending delay of game but sure he saw something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said: Absolutely hate his defensive TOs. Not only today. It allows the Offense to reset, and results are usually bad for Bills. Ex The Chiefs do not complete the Kelce pass to set up GW FG last year, except for that amazingly stupid defensive TO. Today the Dolphins likely don’t score their last TD except for defensive TO and the last 1 where Miami missed on 4th down, cost more than 50 yards of field position after the punt. I’m a big fan of McD, and give him a ton of credit for Bills recent success. However. I think there are times in big games where he wants to assert some direct responsibility for the outcome. And the unnecessary TOs come back to bite him. Yes Agreed. He’s great at organization/ team building and getting a team prepared, but he seems to wet his pants on these snap decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I’m at the point where I’m content we won. Not our job to fix this issue - for McD this can’t happen next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, vincec said: It would be best if they were prepared before the play so that he didn’t feel the need to call TO to not get caught with the their pants down. Also, the timeout seems to have no bearing on whether the ensuing play is stopped or not. Exactly. He needs to know what defense the opponent puts out there before they put it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 When the Bills and Dolphins play next year, the league should take away both team's timeouts at the start to prevent future embarassment. Yeesh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 McDermott calling timeouts on defense just gives the offense a chance to get into the proper play. It's football 101 that you don't do that unless you're subject to a substitution penalty that results in a first down. He thinks it's clever, but it's dumb. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 The timeouts signaled panic. The guy panicked today, big time. His team looked under prepared and his OC called an incredibly stupid game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Ralonzo said: McDermott calling timeouts on defense just gives the offense a chance to get into the proper play. It's football 101 that you don't do that unless you're subject to a substitution penalty that results in a first down. He thinks it's clever, but it's dumb. yea, if you are lined up or matched poorly on a big play why would you fix it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, NoSaint said: yea, if you are lined up or matched poorly on a big play why would you fix it Miami wasn’t even gonna get the play off in time. McDermott blinked. McDaniel didn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 It is hard to not let the “plays that never happened “ influence your opinion here. The second o e they were not ready. Time-outs I. The second half are gold. Honestly not sure but so glad they won the game. We could be talking off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, NoSaint said: yea, if you are lined up or matched poorly on a big play why would you fix it You're clever too. Did you not learn from Peyton and Eli? Timeouts are for the offense. Pretty sure I went over this in GDT. Second half timeouts, I would sooner take a DoG than burn one, burning two on defense is indefensible. Defense is reactive, being in the wrong set isn't critical. Having time to think about things benefits the offense, not the defense. This is why Peyton & Eli say "timeouts are for the offense." Not having the ability to control clock at the end of a game is critical. We've seen this over and over from Mcd, he doesn't understand this basic truth. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: You're clever too. Did you not learn from Peyton and Eli? Timeouts are for the offense. Pretty sure I went over this in GDT. Second half timeouts, I would sooner take a DoG than burn one, burning two on defense is indefensible. Defense is reactive, being in the wrong set isn't critical. Having time to think about things benefits the offense, not the defense. This is why Peyton & Eli say "timeouts are for the offense." Not having the ability to control clock at the end of a game is critical. We've seen this over and over from Mcd, he doesn't understand this basic truth. I agree with you 90% of the time re: this situation, but before I passed final judgement I'd really like to see what that field looked like when he was chugging down the sideline to the judge. I missed the replay because I was literally face down on my carpet for the only time today, saying "I cannot f'ing believe he did it again". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, NoSaint said: honestly, I don’t think you can really factor the result of the play on those ones at all. I did not like the attempt to force the review. It cost a play attempt and you know ny is looking even if the ref didn’t. I thought the last second on 4th was odd with the impending delay of game but sure he saw something Yea the one at the end of the first half on offense was the worst of the 3. 100%. That costs you a shot at the endzone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Simon said: I agree with you 90% of the time re: this situation, but before I passed final judgement I'd really like to see what that field looked like when he was chugging down the sideline to the judge. I missed the replay because I was literally face down on my carpet for the only time today, saying "I cannot f'ing believe he did it again". I get that, but even if you see their #1 WR totally uncovered, you only run down to call a TO for that, ideally, late in the 4th. Otherwise you'd end up burning your TOs early in every half if you're calling them when you think you have an unfavorable D matchup. Timeouts are for the offense. Also, I was face down on the hardwood for stumbling. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: I get that, but even if you see their #1 WR totally uncovered, you only run down to call a TO for that, ideally, late in the 4th. Otherwise you'd end up burning your TOs early in every half if you're calling them when you think you have an unfavorable D matchup. Timeouts are for the offense. Also, I was face down on the hardwood for stumbling. That play you HAVE to call timeout. They weren't just misaligned. They were not in any alignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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