1/15/2023 Wildcard Weekend - Dolphins @ Bills - Post Game Thread

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Any word on elam injury?

[Baba Booey]

2 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:

Daboll doing a masterful job with the NYG.  Still think he’s the missing link for JA this year.

Couldn’t agree more. We may have let the wrong guy go! 

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’M NOT WELL

At one of the excruciating points in the game my Dad (who is 88 and has about 8 stents in his arteries) texted "I don't feel too good right now" and at first it was like yeah this game sucks, then there was a second the thought came - wait is he not talking about the game and literally not well??  (he's fine)

Edited January 16, 2023 by stevewin

[longtimebillsfan]

30 minutes ago, Dan said:

Seriously... now Dawkins needs to be replaced?   
 

This place is miserable after a win!  Jeeze

I know.   It sad how some people are always the glass is half empty.

 

This board is not as enjoyable as it used to be.

 

What happened?

Edited January 16, 2023 by longtimebillsfan

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

It is not unreasonable when your defense has given up a long time-consuming drive that ended in a score to NOT have your offense go out and pitch a 3 and out of low percentage passes that puts them right back on the field.

 

Dorsey has just shown too often this season a lack of situational awareness that he needs to correct.

 

It's not about taking shots against cover 0, it's about taking them at the right time.

 

There is value in slowing things down and trying to work the sticks at certain points in a game.

 

 

 

 

 

I don’t disagree about knowing the game situation and how important it is to manage a possession. But whenever Josh sees Cover-0, he has the green light and he has for several seasons now, even under Daboll. I’d bet that Dorsey got in his ear after that one series. But Allen is gonna take his kill shots if he sees the opportunity. That’s also about trusting his defense as well. All that said, Josh needs to know when to rein it in at times. 

[AlfaBill]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

That was not on Beasley. 

Well the ball hit him on the chest bounced off and was picked. Was it on Josh?

[Baba Booey]

1 minute ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I know.   It sad how some people are always the glass is half empty.

 

This board is not as enjoyable as it used to be.

 

What happened?

I don’t see it as glass half empty, it’s just realization that we may not be as good as we thought we were. 

[LVGrown]

13 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

If we’d just gotten done beating Cinci or KC in a nail biter like this one, I think I’d be feeling much better about it; cruising at the beginning didn’t prepare me for what was to come against the “injury riddled” phins…that said, we move on and still have a chance to clean some things up. 

 

Are we not "injury riddled" as well? Von Miller, Micah Hyde, Damar Hamlin, Ike Boettger, Jordan Phillips, Isaiah Mckenzie?

 

I mean 2 of our WR's were retired through the first 3/4 of the season. 

 

Anyone who thought Buffalo was going to walk away with this game haven't been paying attention. I live in south FL and all week long fin fans have been saying how the Bills were going to blow them out and I'm just like, "easy tiger" ... while that sounds wonderful, it just isn't likely. 

 

This game was super frustrating, but we are on to the next game. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by LVGrown

[CincyBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

That was not on Beasley. 

How do you figure?  The ball bounced off Beasley's hands/chest for the INT.

 

 

[CEN-CAL17]

1 minute ago, AlfaBill said:

Well the ball hit him on the chest bounced off and was picked. Was it on Josh?

Dude the defender deflected the pass as it got to Beasley!!

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I don’t disagree about knowing the game situation and how important it is to manage a possession. But whenever Josh sees Cover-0, he has the green light and he has for several seasons now, even under Daboll. I’d bet that Dorsey got in his ear after that one series. But Allen is gonna take his kill shots if he sees the opportunity. That’s also about trusting his defense as well. All that said, Josh needs to know when to rein it in at times. 

And that first shot to Davis was almost complete for a huge gain.

[TheCockSportif]

3 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I know.   It sad how some people are always the glass is half empty.

 

This board is not as enjoyable as it used to be.

 

What happened?

I think that with sky-high expectations you get an equal and opposite response to team performance, even with a win, when the game had tons of ugliness and warts.

[ndirish1978]

7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Any word on elam injury?

No injury, cramp

[Dan]

1 minute ago, Baba Booey said:

I don’t see it as glass half empty, it’s just realization that we may not be as good as we thought we were. 

We’ve won 14 games.  We’re in the Divisional round.  How much better do you want them to be?  
 

its the NFL playoffs... there are no easy wins, despite what we may hope or expect. 

[MasterStrategist]

7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Any word on elam injury?

Looked like he was cramping

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Dude the defender deflected the pass as it got to Beasley!!

A bigger WR makes that catch.

 

 

[UKBillFan]

I assume the conference divisional round games will be played on the same day, so the AFC games will take place on Saturday or Sunday and the NFC games will take the one not chosen.

 

Next week is currently set up as follows:

Bengals or Jaguars at Bills

Jaguars or Ravens at Chiefs

 

Buccaneers or Cowboys at 49ers

Giants at Eagles

 

Although Bengals at Bills would be attractive to neutrals, I sense the broadcasters would prefer to have the NFC games on Sunday. I’m now guessing that, should the Bengals win tonight, the Arrowhead game will be Saturday late afternoon with the Orchard Park contest following in primetime. If the Jaguars win, I think it’ll be the other way around. 
 

For the NFC, whatever the result tomorrow, the game at San Francisco will be on Sunday night, following the match up at Philadelphia.

 

Then again, I was very wrong about the wildcard schedule!

Edited January 16, 2023 by UKBillFan

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

How do you figure?  The ball bounced off Beasley's hands/chest for the INT.

 

 

Put the beer down. First of all, the defender hit him before the ball got there. Second, the ball then ricocheted off Beasley right to a totally uninvolved defender. It’s not like Beasley volleyball set it up in the air. Sheeesh 

[TheCockSportif]

11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

That was not on Beasley. 

I agree.  The throw was a bit of a risk, and the uncalled DPI (even the room of Pats' fans I watched the game with today agreed that it was a huge DPI) was abhorrent.  If Beas was untouched, at least I think he would've gotten his hands on the pass.

[Baba Booey]

Just now, Dan said:

We’ve won 14 games.  We’re in the Divisional round.  How much better do you want them to be?  
 

its the NFL playoffs... there are no easy wins, despite what we may hope or expect. 

Today really should have been an easy win. With the next few teams we will face, will decide how good we are. KC and Cincy aren’t the Dolphins with a rookie third string QB. 

[Bimmer323i]

29 minutes ago, Ta111 said:

The Dolphins offense put up barley over 200 yards of total offense.  Turnovers are what helped them.

Yea I know I get that but it still doesn’t make me feel any better about almost losing to a crap team in the first round of the playoffs….

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Put the beer down. First of all, the defender hit him before the ball got there. Second, the ball then ricocheted off Beasley right to a totally uninvolved defender. It’s not like Beasley volleyball set it up in the air. Sheeesh 

This is a distinction without a difference.

 

And yes they could have and probably should have thrown a flag for interference.  So do you agree that this INT wasn't on Allen?  Oh and Romo was pretty adamant that Brown messed up the pattern when it became a scramble drill which was the reason for that INT.

 

 

[AlfaBill]

2 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said:

I think that with sky-high expectations you get an equal and opposite response to team performance, even with a win, when the game had tons of ugliness and warts.

I think most of us were/are looking to the next round already and thinking(during the game) this team will not beat KC, Cincy or even nfc champs with play like that. At least that’s what I was thinking. We beat an inferior opponent today in a tight and ugly game when it should’ve been an easier or at least a more comfortable win. 

[TheCockSportif]

Just now, Bimmer323i said:

Yea I know I get that but it still doesn’t make me feel any better about almost losing to a crap team in the first round of the playoffs….

Ugly game, but the Bills won.  Lots of those this year it would seem, and they keep rolling.  Here's to hoping that they continue.

[BananaB]

22 minutes ago, Baba Booey said:

He is not saying he is the problem, what he is saying is Josh is not plying well enough right now. And we all can see he hasn’t played well since KC. We all hope he gets back to the QB we know he can be. 

Is everyone around Josh playing well? Two Ints were on the WRs today. There were a couple drops on some really good balls. Two passes in the endzone that were inches away from being TDs.  Miami worked out Oline all day long.  Take away  the Ints that weren’t on him and no one is talking about Josh playing poorly. 

[ndirish1978]

I'm just hoping for a fluke win by the Ravens, cause we're not beating the Bengals the way we are playing.  

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, Zag20 said:

The league needs to get this in order and have a light go on like they do in the NBA for the shot clock. The call is waaaay to subjective 

The whole league explanation "it takes a full second to look at the play clock then the snap" is patently ridiculous.  As you said in basketball they are able to instantaneously make the assessment all the time.  The time it takes for your eye to go from the play clock to ball is essentially instantaneous.  Its one of the stupidest things in the sport

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Every Interception charged to Josh Allen is 100% his fault as the narrative goes

[Baba Booey]

1 minute ago, BananaB said:

Is everyone around Josh playing well? Two Ints were on the WRs today. There were a couple drops on some really good balls. Two passes in the endzone that were inches away from being TDs.  Miami worked out Oline all day long.  Take away  the Ints that weren’t on him and no one is talking about Josh playing poorly. 

So the fumble and scoop and score wasn’t on Josh? Tuck the ball away when your in trouble!! Understand he was blitzed but come on. Ball security in that spot on the field

Edited January 16, 2023 by Baba Booey

[Ralonzo]

NBC: "The Bills allowed the Dolphins to score 17 unanswered points"

 

Except for answering with the FG before the half?

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

I'm just hoping for a fluke win by the Ravens, cause we're not beating the Bengals the way we are playing.  

LOL little qualification there huh

2 minutes ago, Baba Booey said:

So the fumble and scoop and score wasn’t on Josh? Tuck the ball away when your in trouble!! Understand he was blitzed but come on. Ball security in that spot on the field

Actually no it wasn't, Romo even said Singletary blew it

Edited January 16, 2023 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[vincec]

2 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Every Interception charged to Josh Allen is 100% his fault as the narrative goes

Or none of them are, depended on who is talking.

[dakrider]

Bills absolutely have to work the field and try to get first downs instead of trying to score a TD every play. You can't win just on big plays.  

You take your shots but its like Bills were playing as if they were down 17 points and only had 6 minutes left or something and were trying to hurry up and score that second half. Those last few possessions, they should have been working the clock and getting first downs but Allen is throwing bombs to Davis down the sideline. 

 

There were a lot of things in this game that went haywire.  The 1st interception - Josh threw it up for grabs and Brown seemed to misplay it, still wasn't going to be a ball he was going to get.  The 2nd interception was just bad luck and a great play by Miami.  I don't fault Allen or Beasley too much for that.  The fumble/TD was Josh thinking he could just shake off the defender and ended up losing the ball.  That was probably his worst play.  Miami was able to limit Josh rolling out and making plays. Defensively the pass rush was just too soft.  They had a few sacks and pressures but several times Thompson had plenty of time. They did shutdown Miami's running game so that was a plus.  Bills got a little lucky the Dolphins dropped some catchable passes, but Bills also dropped some huge ones that could have sealed the game.  One thing is for sure, the Bills are going to have tough sledding in the AFC East these next few years. 

[Baba Booey]

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

LOL little qualification there huh

Actually no it wasn't

 

1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

LOL little qualification there huh

Actually no it wasn't

Ok. 

[AlfaBill]

4 minutes ago, stevewin said:

The whole league explanation "it takes a full second to look at the play clock then the snap" is patently ridiculous.  As you said in basketball they are able to instantaneously make the assessment all the time.  The time it takes for your eye to go from the play clock to ball is essentially instantaneous.  Its one of the stupidest things in the sport

The fins got away with a few today for sure. Ironically when they called it the bills had stopped them on a 4th down and the penalty gave Miami another shot!

Edited January 16, 2023 by AlfaBill

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Just now, vincec said:

Or none of them are, depended on who is talking.

Yeah the team f..d up enough today

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, BritishBill said:

That first quarter feels like an awful long time ago. Do you remember a receiver we used to have? Stefon someone? 

 

Crazy game - some superb drives and plays and some utterly dumbfoundingly bad QB play and coaching too at times. 

 

I'm hoping it's that we played down to their level - I can't imagine we'll play that badly again. But yet....we won!

After the game was watching a highlight show and like you said seeing the 1st Q plays I said the exact thing to my son - those plays seem like a year ago

[WideNine]

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I don’t disagree about knowing the game situation and how important it is to manage a possession. But whenever Josh sees Cover-0, he has the green light and he has for several seasons now, even under Daboll. I’d bet that Dorsey got in his ear after that one series. But Allen is gonna take his kill shots if he sees the opportunity. That’s also about trusting his defense as well. All that said, Josh needs to know when to rein it in at times. 

 

That's a reasonable take.

 

I have more respect now for how much Daboll was able to reign Allen in without taking away what makes him special.

 

That could not have been an easy thing to balance. Funny how some things come into focus only after someone moves on.

 

Dorsey is also a very emotionally charged person (we have seen this and Allen has alluded to it) and Josh is Josh, so we may be in for a roller-coaster ride for as long as they are paired up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Success]

Patriots fans are the most bitter "fans who have many championships" that I've ever seen.

 

It's why I'll never envy them.  Bitter, petty insecurity is just in the DNA there.

 

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

That's a reasonable take.

 

I have more respect now for how much Daboll was able to reign Allen in without taking away what makes him special.

 

That could not have been an easy thing to balance. Funny how some things come into focus only after someone moves on.

 

Dorsey is also a very emotionally charged person (we have seen this and Allen has alluded to it) and Josh is Josh, so we may be in for a roller-coaster ride for as long as they are paired up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good points, all.