Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[ngbills]

Well he was right about OBJ to the Bills last year...wait...

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, stuvian said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl/article-11992131/Von-Miller-claims-Bills-getting-big-time-weapon-DeAndre-Hopkins.html

 

Von Miller is aligned to be cast into the outer darkness by his GM mentor, Brandon "We Don't Talk About Signings, No, No, No" Beane

 

Loose Lips Sink Ships, Von!

[Figster]

40 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It might but there is also the real potential that he will be a misfit with Allen and in this offense because he's not great at separating/getting open.    He's not the same fit that a healthy OBJ would have been.......Hopkins is the contested catch king.   If that doesn't mesh with Allen........who is known for wanting to see his receivers open before throwing to them.........then there is a potential for a LeBron/Westbrook level misfit.    In that event,  the Bills should want to have a very low cost out after 2023.  So the idea of a re-worked long term contract should not be something in Beane's head, IMO.   

 The contested catch king at WR is exactly what Allen needs IMO. Normally TE plays the role, but Josh Allen loves him some WR.  BFF Diggs needs some competition on the football field to draw the heat. 

[Pabstblueribbon]

23 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

LMAO. It's not really getting "triggered." In this forum, Bills fans pretty much analyze anything and everything that has to do with the Bills. See the JA17 relationship thread.

 

It’s just amusing to see somebody spew out nonsense time and again, and then it turns out that none of it is accurate. It’s laughable, and yes, it does seem like a distraction, and like someone else said, VM "crying wolf." 

 

"Spewing nonsense" is a bit harsh. I believe Buffalo was in on OBJ and was/is in on Dhop. 

 

Von is keeping fans engaged and Bills mentions on sports and social media juiced up during the off-season, in a positive way.

 

I'm sure the Marketing and Advertising divisions at One Bills Drive aren't upset in the least about it lol. 

 

[Figster]

31 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

It’s borderline psychotic how people act about a football team 

 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

25 minutes ago, Figster said:

 The contested catch king at WR is exactly what Allen needs IMO. Normally TE plays the role, but Josh Allen loves him some WR.  BFF Diggs needs some competition on the football field to draw the heat. 

I really want Hopkins just because he is an elite all around WR.

 

Outside of him, I think getting Allen guys who can separate is most important as he took his first significant developmental leap after getting Beasley & Brown who were at the time statistically 2 of the best separators at WR in the league. 

 

No need to win a contested catch when the CB can’t stay with the WR for more than 2 seconds. 

[Figster]

1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

I really want Hopkins just because he is an elite all around WR.

 

Outside of him, I think getting Allen guys who can separate is most important as he took his first significant developmental leap after getting Beasley & Brown who were at the time statistically 2 of the best separators at WR in the league. 

 

No need to win a contested catch when the CB can’t stay with the WR for more than 2 seconds. 

I'm real big on Jalin Hyatt in the 1st because not many DB's in the league can run with him IMO. 

 

I also really want D Hop, but Hyatt would make the hurt go away real quick. Both?

 

OMG!!!

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

3 minutes ago, Figster said:

I'm real big on Jalin Hyatt in the 1st because not many DB's in the league can run with him IMO. 

 

I also really want D Hop, but Hyatt would make the hurt go away real quick. Both?

 

OMG!!!

 

 

yes yes yes..... we can get both
 

AZ gets #27, 2024 4th  & BUF gets D.Hopkins, #34 (Select Hyatt, he might be there)
 

OR
 

Draft Hyatt at 27 and acquire D.Hop separately 
 

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

 

"Currently" is the key word.  Many GMs still have flexibility because they can restructure some existing contracts to make room if they absolutely need to.

 

Beane still has the ability to restructure some others if he wants to.  The player has to agree, but that's not normally a giant hurdle in most instances.

That's actually not true.  I recall Sal talking about it like a month ago.  They don't have to agree to it and don't even have to sign anything.  The team makes that's decision without their input.  They are just getting more cash that is already part of their deal up converted.

Edited April 20, 2023 by The Wiz

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

That's actually not true.  I recall Sal talking about it like a month ago.  They don't have to agree to it and don't even have to sign anything.  The team makes that's decision without their input.  They are just getting more cash that is already part of their deal up converted.

If it pushes money to outer years, I believe the player must agree to it.  If the money stays the same and is just converted, I believe that is accurate.

[Special K]

I want the Bills to snag Hopkins so they can focus solely on the offensive line with their early draft picks, instead of picking a round 1 WR...honestly, outside of JSN and Johnston, I'm not sold on the rest as worthy of a first round pick.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

44 minutes ago, Figster said:

I'm real big on Jalin Hyatt in the 1st because not many DB's in the league can run with him IMO. 

 

I also really want D Hop, but Hyatt would make the hurt go away real quick. Both?

 

OMG!!!

 

 

Personally not sold on Hyatt due to limited route tree. Seems more like a 2nd round guy to me. 

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Personally not sold on Hyatt due to limited route tree. Seems more like a 2nd round guy to me. 

 

I don't have access to Beane's big board obviously, but if I had to guess, none of the bigger name receivers that will still be on the board at #27 will have a first-round grade from the Bills.

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

If it pushes money to outer years, I believe the player must agree to it.  If the money stays the same and is just converted, I believe that is accurate.

If by "outer years" you mean adding void years to the contract, then yes.  If the restructure is done within the current terms of the contract, I believe it can be done without player consent unless they could possibly make less money.  That would only happen if they added a bunch of incentives that the player didn't agree to.  In most cases, it's just converted to a signing bonus (cash up front) and prorated through the remaining contract.

 

I believe Hines did this with his restructure by having more incentives for the possibility to earn more if they are met and reduce his base + signing bonus so he had to agree to the terms.

[Pabstblueribbon]

15 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Personally not sold on Hyatt due to limited route tree. Seems more like a 2nd round guy to me. 

 

+1 though if we could somehow get him and Dhop both I would be thrilled. We'd have an instant boost in the short term plus the potential of having a Jaylen Waddle type waiting in the wings if he can develop the tools to function in a more conventional offense. 

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, Pabstblueribbon said:

 

+1 though if we could somehow get him and Dhop both I would be thrilled. We'd have an instant boost in the short term plus the potential of having a Jaylen Waddle type waiting in the wings if he can develop the tools to function in a more conventional offense. 

 

Didn't they say similar things about Justin Jefferson and question how he'd be in the NFL because he rarely faced press? 

Also, watching Hyatt's tape....he is actually a decent route runner...he just hasn't been asked to run a vast route tree. But he shows subtle moves on deep patterns that takes DB's out of the play. He also shows deceptive feet at the top of a route. He can take a slant the distance. I don't buy his 4.4 combine time. On tape he is 4.29-4.33. Especially after 15-20 yards he just rockets past everyone. He is also more physical and elusive underneath than given credit for. He has shown stiff arms, tackle breaking and good change of direction plays. 

With Allen's arm....we could literally just chuck it up 60 yards deep to Hyatt 3-5 times per game 

Edited April 20, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Airseven]

Von is annoying.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I feel like this is one of those trades that happens with a team no one’s been talking about.

[KDIGGZ]

Let's say Hopkins gets released. Do you think anyone is giving him the same money? That's why this doesn't make sense. I don't think it's the trade compensation holding this back, it's the fact that nobody wants to pay him that much. At some point he is going to have to decide if he wants to play for Arizona or if he wants to make less money. And Arizona is going to have to decide if they want any kind of trade compensation in which case they will have to eat part of his contract to make it work 

Edited April 20, 2023 by KDIGGZ

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said:

Let's say Hopkins gets released. Do you think anyone is giving him the same money? That's why this doesn't make sense. I don't think it's the trade compensation holding this back, it's the fact that nobody wants to pay him that much. At some point he is going to have to decide if he wants to play for Arizona or if he wants to make less money 

OBJ got $15 million.

[KDIGGZ]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

OBJ got $15 million.

Lamar could say he wanted the Ravens to sign me and I'd get $15 mil too

[WyoAZBillfan]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

OBJ got $15 million.

Also didn’t coat draft assets. He also had no clue who’s going to get him the ball, kind of obvious he wanted money, had the ring Hopkins does not…I could see it both ways there. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

Also didn’t coat draft assets. He also had no clue who’s going to get him the ball, kind of obvious he wanted money, had the ring Hopkins does not…I could see it both ways there. 

The question was if Hopkins was released.

 

The longer this goes Hopkins loses bargaining power but it seems he doesn’t want big money anyways.

 

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, Figster said:

I'm real big on Jalin Hyatt in the 1st because not many DB's in the league can run with him IMO. 

 

I also really want D Hop, but Hyatt would make the hurt go away real quick. Both?

 

OMG!!!

 

 

 

Hyatt would be downright scary with Josh as his QB.

[TBBills Fan]

 Which team should be making the biggest push for DeAndre Hopkins?

It should be Buffalo. General manager Brandon Beane is never afraid, which is why I love him. At age 30, DeAndre Hopkins still has a ton of gas left in the tank. Limited to nine games by suspension and injury last season, Nuk still caught 64 passes for 717 yards and three touchdowns. And that was on a disastrous Cardinals team!

Hopkins, Stefon Diggs and Gabe Davis catching passes from the great Josh Allen in a Super Bowl-or-bust season? Yes, please!

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-burning-questions-what-s-next-for-lamar-jackson-who-should-be-drafted-no-1-o

[Einstein's Dog]

12 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Let's say Hopkins gets released. Do you think anyone is giving him the same money? That's why this doesn't make sense. I don't think it's the trade compensation holding this back, it's the fact that nobody wants to pay him that much. At some point he is going to have to decide if he wants to play for Arizona or if he wants to make less money. And Arizona is going to have to decide if they want any kind of trade compensation in which case they will have to eat part of his contract to make it work 

I guess you need to price out DHop.  As others mentioned OBJ just got $15M and he should be less than DHop (more question marks). 

 

According to Spotrac average salaries, with DJ Moore at $20M, Terry McLaurin at $22M,  Godwin/M Williams/A Cooper all at $20M.  DHop's contract does not look out of line to me, and I believe DHop said he wasn't looking for a raise.

[MasterStrategist]

48 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Didn't they say similar things about Justin Jefferson and question how he'd be in the NFL because he rarely faced press? 

Also, watching Hyatt's tape....he is actually a decent route runner...he just hasn't been asked to run a vast route tree. But he shows subtle moves on deep patterns that takes DB's out of the play. He also shows deceptive feet at the top of a route. He can take a slant the distance. I don't buy his 4.4 combine time. On tape he is 4.29-4.33. Especially after 15-20 yards he just rockets past everyone. He is also more physical and elusive underneath than given credit for. He has shown stiff arms, tackle breaking and good change of direction plays. 

With Allen's arm....we could literally just chuck it up 60 yards deep to Hyatt 3-5 times per game 

Gabe Davis is already our Hyatt.

 

Hyatt might have a higher ceiling, but he's not stepping into a vacant role/overtaking Gabe.  

 

We better get OL to give Josh time.  Maybe Gabe, and Diggs, would actually look much better without having to keep Knox and/or Cook into chip on almost every play.

 

Schematically,we are going to face:

1. Jets type of cover 3/4 & strong 4 man rush: we've countered by keeping Knox and/or RB to block or chip.  We need to get better at G/T to avoid this

 

2. Dolphins/Chiefs aggressive 5 or 6 man rushes.  It's OK/needed to keep in extra blockers, but we're missing the slot/quick WR who can get fast separation

 

Hyatt doesn't improve us against either option.  Maybe next year, if Gabe is gone.

 

Gabe struggles on #2, this is why we need a Zay Flowers/JSN type.

[Warriorspikes51]

13 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Gabe Davis is already our Hyatt.

 

Hyatt might have a higher ceiling, but he's not stepping into a vacant role/overtaking Gabe.  

 

We better get OL to give Josh time.  Maybe Gabe, and Diggs, would actually look much better without having to keep Knox and/or Cook into chip on almost every play.

 

Schematically,we are going to face:

1. Jets type of cover 3/4 & strong 4 man rush: we've countered by keeping Knox and/or RB to block or chip.  We need to get better at G/T to avoid this

 

2. Dolphins/Chiefs aggressive 5 or 6 man rushes.  It's OK/needed to keep in extra blockers, but we're missing the slot/quick WR who can get fast separation

 

Hyatt doesn't improve us against either option.  Maybe next year, if Gabe is gone.

 

Gabe struggles on #2, this is why we need a Zay Flowers/JSN type.

 

What?  Gabe Davis does not have nearly the same speed as Hyatt

[Beck Water]

6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

oh that’s rich. So you’re talking about loose lips while gossiping about Von’s personality

 

Surely you can see the difference between someone who might be considered a Bills FO Insider (since Von has publicized "shadowing" Beane as a GM), and fan conversation on a message board ("gossip")?

6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

the only distraction is the insanity of a fan nitpicking everything a player says or does and trying to turn it into a broadway drama

 

I mean this in the nicest possible way: You do realize you're on a "fan board" here?  Nitpicking what players and coaches and FO say is one of the things we do.  If you consider this insanity, or it bothers you, you might wish to reconsider the life choices which brought you here.

[BillsFanForever19]

We're back on this. I cannot stress this enough - it's either Hopkins or a 1st. If we trade for Hopkins, we aren't drafting a WR in the 1st. If we Draft a WR in the 1st, we won't be trading for Hopkins.

 

With Diggs and Davis (who isn't going anywhere this year and will not be demoted any further than #3 no matter how much some fans want it), Harty, Shakir, and Sherfield - there's room for just 1 WR on the top end. 

 

Maybe they Draft a WR later in the Draft as a developmental guy and still trade for Hopkins. But they aren't doing both a 1st and Hopkins. Zero chance.

 

There's too many other positions that need filled. And you don't spend a 1st Round Pick at WR to be the 3rd or 4th WR on the Outside for years to come.

Edited April 21, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[MasterStrategist]

9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

What?  Gabe Davis does not have nearly the same speed as Hyatt

Downfield receiver.  It's not just about a 40 time, and doubt Hyatt is converting many more of the deep passes (yes, yes the Jets game).

 

Point is our offense isn't lacking a deep threat WR.  Harty, albeit smaller size, offers more speed as well.

 

Unlike you, I see Hyatt as a boom/bust prospect.  Very good deep route guy, limited otherwise.

 

 

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Downfield receiver.  It's not just about a 40 time, and doubt Hyatt is converting many more of the deep passes (yes, yes the Jets game).

 

Point is our offense isn't lacking a deep threat WR.  Harty, albeit smaller size, offers more speed as well.

 

Unlike you, I see Hyatt as a boom/bust prospect.  Very good deep route guy, limited otherwise.

 

 

Yup, Davis has a top 5 yards per catch AVG like 3 years running. Part of the reason why his catch % always looks awful. 

[MasterStrategist]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

We're back on this. I cannot stress this enough - it's either Hopkins or a 1st. If we trade for Hopkins, we aren't drafting a WR in the 1st. If we Draft a WR in the 1st, we won't be trading for Hopkins.

 

With Diggs and Davis (who isn't going anywhere this year and will not be demoted any further than #3 no matter how much some fans want it), Harty, Shakir, and Sherfield - there's room for just 1 WR on the top end. 

 

Maybe they Draft a WR later in the Draft as a developmental guy and still trade for Hopkins. But they aren't doing both.

Agree.  @Warriorspikes51 thinks we are building a fantasy football WR room.

 

not directed at you, but in general:

1. We should be looking for complimentary skillets, to improve the Wr room....quick separation/Rac.

 

2. Having 2 #1 Wrs is a luxury we can't afford, unless we find one in the draft. 

 

3. Not sure why Dhop is still the discussion/desire.  Anyone who watched the Cincy game, and season last year in general, should realize our OL play has to improve.  RT should be a high priority, but also not overspending on WRs.  We can use that future cap on improving the OL

[Captain Hindsight]

51 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

If it is not true, I would think that would be tampering.

 

Why? Hes a player, not an exec 

[Mikie2times]

7 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Is it just me or does Von Miller talk an awful lot for a guy who just got here and was injured almost half the season? Seems like he’s getting very close to becoming a distraction to the franchise-wide foundation, not rent-a-team philosophy, that the Bills have been trying to build. 

It's all well intentioned. Miller grew up in the NBA player recruitment era. We are starting to see more of that in the NFL. Guys talking about getting together and building a super team. The Rams were the best example. I think Von really wants this. Perhaps it has some elements of attention seeking. Maybe he wants people to know he was part recruiting process. Again, I think it's well intentioned and I like that our players are trying to get other players interested. It's exciting to have a team which seems to have been the total opposite of that for 20+ years being somewhere players want to go to win.  

[Einstein's Dog]

7 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

2. Having 2 #1 Wrs is a luxury we can't afford, unless we find one in the draft. 

 

3. Not sure why Dhop is still the discussion/desire.  Anyone who watched the Cincy game, and season last year in general, should realize our OL play has to improve.  RT should be a high priority, but also not overspending on WRs.  We can use that future cap on improving the OL

There is a path to being able to afford DHop.  That was get Poyer at a discount, let Edmunds walk, and trade Oliver.  It is still a possibility.

 

DHop is in the discussion because he would improve the team immediately.  There is more than one way to improve a team, and this route is still possible.  It would also make the Bills an incredibly exciting team to watch.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Yeah the problem is " The word on the street" that he refers to was kind of started by him. So now when it filters back to him it becomes the word!

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Figster said:

 

 

Don't give this guy the clicks.  He's just re-tweeting Buffalo Bills twitter account stuff

 

 

[The Red King]

1 hour ago, KzooMike said:

Yup, Davis has a top 5 yards per catch AVG like 3 years running. Part of the reason why his catch % always looks awful. 

 

The rest being awful drops, especially at critical moments?

[The Wiz]

5 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

The rest being awful drops, especially at critical moments?

I like Gabe so I'm not going to say he doesn't have some bad drops right in the bread basket but they also include stuff that he basically needed to make circus catches for and he's never shown to be able do that regularly.

 

It needs to be a clean ball right to the numbers MOST of the time.