Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[Billz4ever]

49 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

I really like Jeudy for this....given all the chaos in DEN (and trade rumors).

I think Jeudy would be a good #2 here for the right price. The only thing that worries me a little is his durability.  He seems to be somewhat injury prone (missed 7 games last season and 2 games this season).

 

He had 67 catches for just under 1K yards and 6 tds in 15 games this year.

 

He also just got fined for bumping a ref after losing his cool for a holding no-call in the game against KC, but he did apologize and say he was in the wrong. 

Edited January 14, 2023 by Billz4ever

[ALLinALLEN]

42 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I think Jeudy would be a good #2 here for the right price. The only thing that worries me a little is his durability.  He seems to be somewhat injury prone (missed 7 games last season and 2 games this season).

 

He had 67 catches for just under 1K yards and 6 tds in 15 games this year.

 

He also just got fined for bumping a ref after losing his cool for a holding no-call in the game against KC, but he did apologize and say he was in the wrong. 

Yeah I get the injury thing for sure (but I wouldnt want to suit up this year for that denver team even if I had a papercut). 

 

If we're talking about landing a guy the same way and with high potential as we did Diggs, you're going to need situations like Jeudy's. Disgruntled player, poor team performance, no real direction, coaching change. Much like Diggs IMO, where we could get Jeudy for a good price and have him breakout.

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Yeah I get the injury thing for sure (but I wouldnt want to suit up this year for that denver team even if I had a papercut). 

 

If we're talking about landing a guy the same way and with high potential as we did Diggs, you're going to need situations like Jeudy's. Disgruntled player, poor team performance, no real direction, coaching change. Much like Diggs IMO, where we could get Jeudy for a good price and have him breakout.

For the right price, count me in. Unless Davis dazzles in the playoffs, I've seen enough to know he's not a real WR2 in this offense.

[Mr. WEO]

what's his faith status?

[ALLinALLEN]

16 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

For the right price, count me in. Unless Davis dazzles in the playoffs, I've seen enough to know he's not a real WR2 in this offense.

Davis dazzled last postseason too, was just not a consistent threat given WR2 reps all year. Need something more reliable. a super bowl ring with 4 games of over 80 yards and some TD's might change that for me though haha

[Billz4ever]

5 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Davis dazzled last postseason too, was just not a consistent threat given WR2 reps all year. Need something more reliable. a super bowl ring with 4 games of over 80 yards and some TD's might change that for me though haha

Yeah, the playoffs this year are his last shot with me.  If he can't turn it on now, he never does.  Probably the biggest performance disappointment this year give the expectations going in.

 

The KC game last year was incredible, but looking back on it, his TDs were more a result of just great vision and throws by Josh vs Davis making great catches.  Josh was playing on a completely different level that game.

Edited January 14, 2023 by Billz4ever

[JaCrispy]

I would trade Gabe Davis and a 1st rounder for Hopkins…

 

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by JaCrispy

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Replacing Poyer or Edmunds with a mid round pick shouldn’t be so detrimental……

 

How about we take Edmunds out of this defense and plug in Bernard.  Then think about what you said.  Sure, it might not be so detrimental…..but it could implode the entire difference if we don’t hit on the player.  

 

I agree with the last part-  if they chose to go all in on 17 and giving him the best of everything, I can get behind that.  I just don’t expect that to happen.

Bernard is terrible. No way should he even sniff the field for next year. Edmunds will be a priority sign and Beane has clearly talked him up for quite awhile now. He is only gonna be 25 with lots of solid football to play. I'd be shocked if the Bills didn't get a deal done. 

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Bernard is terrible. No way should he even sniff the field for next year. Edmunds will be a priority sign and Beane has clearly talked him up for quite awhile now. He is only gonna be 25 with lots of solid football to play. I'd be shocked if the Bills didn't get a deal done. 

My comment was in response to another poster saying that we can just replace starters with mid round players.  Bernard was my example of how that could blow up in our faces.  As a rookie 3rd rd pick, he fits the criteria in the post I was responding to.  He wasn’t ready. 
 

That said, I won’t pretend to know if he can play next year.  I’d give him the offseason before deciding that for sure.  Another camp, additional weight/strength, knowledge of the system can have an impact on the product you saw this year.  Milano got better each and every year.  Maybe Bernard will too.  Right now is not the time to make a decision on whether or not he can contribute next year.  You like to label others prediction posts as ridiculous…. your Bernard post is ridiculous.  You’re saying that he can’t improve enough to sniff the field.  Nonsense.  

 

I agree, I think McB wants to retain Maine…… but it’ll be up to him and his agent to decide that imo.  If he wants 16-17aav maybe he’ll stay.  I dunno if we pay him more than that
 

Could franchise tag also be an option? Anyone know what his franchise tag cap hit would be?  Would the edge rusher LBs jack the cap hit or are they separate now?  Is Joey Bosa a LB?  TJ Watt?  Mack?  
 

 

 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

My comment was in response to another poster saying that we can just replace starters with mid round players.  Bernard was my example of how that could blow up in our faces.  As a rookie 3rd rd pick, he fits the criteria in the post I was responding to.  He wasn’t ready. 
 

That said, I won’t pretend to know if he can play next year.  I’d give him the offseason before deciding that for sure.  Another camp, additional weight/strength, knowledge of the system can have an impact on the product you saw this year.  Milano got better each and every year.  Maybe Bernard will too.  Right now is not the time to make a decision on whether or not he can contribute next year.  You like to label others prediction posts as ridiculous…. your Bernard post is ridiculous.  You’re saying that he can’t improve enough to sniff the field.  Nonsense.  

 

I agree, I think McB wants to retain Maine…… but it’ll be up to him and his agent to decide that imo.  If he wants 16-17aav maybe he’ll stay.  I dunno if we pay him more than that
 

Could franchise tag also be an option? Anyone know what his franchise tag cap hit would be?  Would the edge rusher LBs jack the cap hit or are they separate now?  Is Joey Bosa a LB?  TJ Watt?  Mack?  
 

 

 

It was pretty ridiculous. Perhaps, it's a reaction to the pick. Hated it live and nothing indicates it was a good pick now. Of course, he can improve. He has a lot of improving to do. 

Edited January 14, 2023 by newcam2012

[BillsShredder83]

On 1/11/2023 at 5:43 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

You act as if there's a chance of this. 

 

I mean, it's not flat-out impossible, but it isn't the type of deal they do for many reasons, money, picks, and not enough balls for both guys. His age. The probability he'd be a very expensive rental, which they don't give valuable picks for. Likelihood extremely low.

 

It's fun to imagine, so there's that.

 

 

I really just dont get the not enough balls for one guy. Theyre not 90s RBs. Theres more than enough for these guys to share just like other teams have.

 

$$ and picks is a problem, itll never happen, but that other problem is self imagined

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

It was pretty ridiculous. Perhaps, it's a reaction to the pick. Hated it live and nothing indicates it was a good pick now. Of course, he can improve. He has a lot of improving to do. 

💯 

[HappyDays]

Last year we missed out on Von Miller. This year we missed out on Christian McCaffrey. Both players transformed their respective teams. Just once I think we can afford to overpay for a difference maker. The more I think about it the more I want Beane to make it happen even if the price looks silly.

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Last year we missed out on Von Miller. This year we missed out on Christian McCaffrey. Both players transformed their respective teams. Just once I think we can afford to overpay for a difference maker. The more I think about it the more I want Beane to make it happen even if the price looks silly.

I think a lot rides on how this season unfolds. If the O get stifled and a season ending loss, I could see a big move

[HappyDays]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think a lot rides on how this season unfolds. If the O get stifled and a season ending loss, I could see a big move

 

Even if they don't, why not make the move anyways? True difference makers are hard to come by. Beane has been incredibly patient about using his draft picks and cap space. What's the point of all that patience if you don't cash in every once in a while?

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

It was pretty ridiculous. Perhaps, it's a reaction to the pick. Hated it live and nothing indicates it was a good pick now. Of course, he can improve. He has a lot of improving to do. 

Totally head scratching pick. Small but slow. 

[HappyDays]

Watching the 49ers game makes me more convinced that we should make this trade whatever it costs. Even when our offense is chugging it comes with a high degree of difficulty. I would love for Allen to have it easy next year.

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Even if they don't, why not make the move anyways? True difference makers are hard to come by. Beane has been incredibly patient about using his draft picks and cap space. What's the point of all that patience if you don't cash in every once in a while?

Because if we win this year, it could be because guys like Edmunds, Poyer, Oliver, Davis step up and take their game up a notch.  They might just want to keep the guys we have and run it back while drafting a WR in rd 1 and keep the picks for OL or a different position.  They’d have proven they have a built a championship roster and won the SB without von Miller.   If we win the SB, I don’t want to go crazy with a huge asset turnover.  Trading for hopkins would change our roster dramatically.  If it doesn’t  change it dramatically, then we’d have mortgaged a boatload of cap down the road.  Just doesn’t seem to be the move after winning our first SB.  
 

jmo
 

 

Regarding the bolded-  if we win the SB this year we’d have already cashed in.  

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Trading for hopkins would change our roster dramatically.  If it doesn’t  change it dramatically, then we’d have mortgaged a boatload of cap down the road.

 

I'm not so sure of this. The cap is going to start going up dramatically in '24/'25. That's when the league will have recouped their 2021 losses and the new TV deals and gambling money will be kicking in. I think we could easily pay 2 of Edmunds, Poyer, and Oliver, and still overpay for Hopkins without sacrificing much if any of our future. Allen and others can be restructured. I don't want us to become the Rams but we could afford to make one big overpriced move IMO. When you have a QB with the biggest arm in the league you can easily rationalize overpaying for a WR with Hopkins' skill set.

 

Edited January 15, 2023 by HappyDays

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Hard pass 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Pine Barrens Mafia

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm not so sure of this. The cap is going to start going up dramatically in '24/'25. That's when the league will have recouped their 2021 losses and the new TV deals and gambling money will be kicking in. I think we could easily pay 2 of Edmunds, Poyer, and Oliver, and still overpay for Hopkins without sacrificing much if any of our future. Allen and others can be restructured. I don't want us to become the Rams but we could afford to make one big overpriced move IMO. When you have a QB with the biggest arm in the league you can easily rationalize overpaying for a WR with Hopkins' skill set.

 

But you’re sure about the rest of the post.  So that works

[Augie]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

But you’re sure about the rest of the post.  So that works

 

We took our big swing with Von this year. Unfortunately, our shiny new toy got broken. I hope he’s completely ready for the playoffs next year.  He’s a closer! 

 

You don’t get to take big swings every year. That would cripple your roster. You don’t want to only be able to shop in the bargain bin in Free Agency. As Beane has said, they want to build for sustainable success. 

[NewEra]

38 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

We took our big swing with Von this year. Unfortunately, our shiny new toy got broken. I hope he’s completely ready for the playoffs next year.  He’s a closer! 

 

You don’t get to take big swings every year. That would cripple your roster. You don’t want to only be able to shop in the bargain bin in Free Agency. As Beane has said, they want to build for sustainable success. 

For sure.  I agree 💯-  especially if we win the SB this year.  If we don’t, I wouldn’t be shocked to see them shake things up a little

[GreggTX]

On 1/10/2023 at 5:53 AM, NeverOutNick said:

The Score's Jordan Schultz reports that the Cardinals plan to trade DeAndre Hopkins this offseason.

 

i’ve been telling my buddies for the last month that if we could just get DeAndre Hopkins to be our 1b to Stefon Diggs 1a we would be set at receiver next year. Gabe Davis can then flourish as the third guy like he used to. And we know DeAndre Hopkins has some of the best hands this league has ever seen.

 

Then the draft would be Offensive line galore with a sprinkle of secondary help 

 

______

It really would depend on his price because we need OL help now and OL often need time to be quality starters. I do want this draft to net us some serious OL talent, but I will be mildly surprised if we don't sign at least 1 very solid veteran blocker. That's what Saffold was supposed to be, but it looks like injuries have taken their toll on him. Maybe not though. An accident free offseason might allow him to rebound a bit. That rib injury certainly didn't help him any. I guess it just comes down to who's available at what price in FA. I can't predict. I also don't see us trading away any day 1 or day 2 picks.

 

[DapperCam]

No money. Gotta replace or pay Edmunds, Poyer, and Saffold. Gotta think about Oliver’s extension. Maybe pay Motor (but probably not)? Morse was out a lot this year too, have to think about his replacement. Any FAs this year will be replacements or affordable depth pieces.

[HappyDays]

After today I'm more convinced that trading for Hopkins is a no-brainer. Shakir, Diggs, and Davis all had deep throws fall to the ground after hitting their hands. Put Hopkins in that role and watch this offense explode.

[Thurman#1]

On 1/15/2023 at 8:51 AM, HappyDays said:

 

Even if they don't, why not make the move anyways? True difference makers are hard to come by. Beane has been incredibly patient about using his draft picks and cap space. What's the point of all that patience if you don't cash in every once in a while?

 

 

Von Miller. We do cash in once in a while.

 

Just not lots and lots of times in a while.

 

On 1/15/2023 at 9:22 AM, HappyDays said:

 

I'm not so sure of this. The cap is going to start going up dramatically in '24/'25. That's when the league will have recouped their 2021 losses and the new TV deals and gambling money will be kicking in. I think we could easily pay 2 of Edmunds, Poyer, and Oliver, and still overpay for Hopkins without sacrificing much if any of our future. Allen and others can be restructured. I don't want us to become the Rams but we could afford to make one big overpriced move IMO. When you have a QB with the biggest arm in the league you can easily rationalize overpaying for a WR with Hopkins' skill set.

 

 

People keep saying this, that we can afford it. That's correct, but beside the point.

 

I can afford a Lamborghini. As long as I don't mind jam-packing my credit cards and living under a bridge the next few years.

 

The question is whether it would be good judgment to bring the guy in. It wouldn't.

 

Yeah, if you re-structure a lot of guys you could keep rolling forward as long as you weaken yourself at other positions, same as I can pack the credit cards on the Lambo.

 

Same thing with things you can rationalize. Sure you can. Same as I can rationalize that Lambo. Doesn't mean either one would be using good judgment.

 

It's not just that we're $6M under the cap for next year. It's that we're only $19M over the cap (27th) for 2024 even with only 30 guys under contract yet for that year. Throw in Hopkins on top of it, especially if we were to re-sign him and we'd be under serious pressure and would have to start creating holes at other positions.

 

 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Thurman#1

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Von Miller. We do cash in once in a while.

 

Just not lots and lots of times in a while.

 

 

People keep saying this, that we can afford it. That's correct, but beside the point.

 

I can afford a Lamborghini. As long as I don't mind jam-packing my credit cards and living under a bridge the next few years.

 

The question is whether it would be good judgment to bring the guy in. It wouldn't.

 

Yeah, if you re-structure a lot of guys you could keep rolling forward as long as you weaken yourself at other positions, same as I can pack the credit cards on the Lambo.

 

Same thing with things you can rationalize. Sure you can. Same as I can rationalize that Lambo. Doesn't mean either one would be using good judgment.

 

It's not just that we're $6M under the cap for next year. It's that we're only $19M over the cap (27th) for 2024 even with only 30 guys under contract yet for that year. Throw in Hopkins on top of it, especially if we were to re-sign him and we'd be under serious pressure and would have to start creating holes at other positions.

 

 

Well said

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Throw in Hopkins on top of it, especially if we were to re-sign him and we'd be under serious pressure and would have to start creating holes at other positions.

 

 

 

We have a hole at #2 WR right now. That needs to be fixed. If it's a matter of paying Hopkins or paying Ed Oliver that's an easy choice in my mind. We have a QB that loves throwing the ball downfield and we don't have any WRs with a skill set to match that. Davis almost has that skill set but it's not anywhere close to what Hopkins could give us on those passes.

 

I heard Peter King on Pro Football Talk last week, he said that the word around the league is the cap will start going up "appreciably" in 2024 and even moreso in 2025 and 2026. I think we could easily structure contracts in a way where the big cap hits don't come until the salary cap explodes. I'm not a believer in being overly aggressive like the Rams have been but I think we could make this one work. If that means Oliver and Poyer walk, so be it. We'll get comp picks back.

 

Edited January 17, 2023 by HappyDays

[HappyDays]

So what is the argument against trading for him? Diggs can't do it all by himself and inconsistent Gabe Davis is not the answer. Backload his contract using the money we would have used to pay Oliver.

[BUFFALOTONE]

Seeing Hopkins for a 2nd round pick and conditional draft pick...unsure the cap hit but this would be a fantastic addition. 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, BUFFALOTONE said:

Seeing Hopkins for a 2nd round pick and conditional draft pick...unsure the cap hit but this would be a fantastic addition. 

 

I'd do it in a heartbeat. I don't think you will find a big receiver upgrade in free agency or where we are drafting. 

[Rc2catch]

4 minutes ago, BUFFALOTONE said:

Seeing Hopkins for a 2nd round pick and conditional draft pick...unsure the cap hit but this would be a fantastic addition. 

19 million this year, 14 next year. 

[Milanos Milano]

6 minutes ago, BUFFALOTONE said:

Seeing Hopkins for a 2nd round pick and conditional draft pick...unsure the cap hit but this would be a fantastic addition. 

If we get Hopkins, we are winning the super bowl. 

[FLFan]

On 1/22/2023 at 6:38 PM, HappyDays said:

So what is the argument against trading for him? Diggs can't do it all by himself and inconsistent Gabe Davis is not the answer. Backload his contract using the money we would have used to pay Oliver.

Hopkins will be 31 when next season starts and has lost much of the last two years with injuries.  He carries a cap hit over $30 mil next year and $26 m the following year.  He is a very poor candidate for further big money extension.  This is no doubt why AZ is trying to dump him. Buyer beware here.  It would be a terrible move for the Bills and has zero chance of happening in my opinion.  

[BUFFALOTONE]

47 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

19 million this year, 14 next year. 

Yikes, idk where you can find that. 

[colin]

id be worried that he's shot physically and just gets hurt.

 

if we had all this cap tied up in him and von and they both got hurt next year (after being hurt the past year) it would suck SO BAD.

[Rc2catch]

1 hour ago, BUFFALOTONE said:

Yikes, idk where you can find that. 

Arizona is one of the few trade partners that could work for Buffalo. They have a little cap not much, and they are the ones who want to move Hopkins. If you include Oliver in a deal and possibly Epenesa or Basham it can help with some of the salary for this year. Even if Hopkins goes elsewhere Arizona is one of the few teams who might be willing to take Oliver’s salary for this year. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Bateman might be available today 

[C.Biscuit97]

Something about him annoys me. He gives off douche vibes and is in serious decline. I mean I won’t complain if he ended up on our team because he was a beast. But you always need to be careful with aging, former stars. See Green, AJ.

59 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Bateman might be available today 

He is made out of the stuff Sammy Watkins was.