Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[ScottLaw]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Because it’s not JUST edmunds or Poyer.  It’s the picks you have to give up for hopkins plus his 30M cap hit next year and 26.2 the following season.  We’ll have to decide between more players than just Poyer.  
 

if our offense fails us along the way this year (something it didn’t do last season) and they go after him, so be it.  I wouldn’t hate it but get ready to have an even worse OL and some players on D that could be taken advantage of.  I just don’t see that happening 

It’s somewhat of a pipe dream. It’s not how this regime functions… but how do you figure the line would be even worse? 
 

Still, I could live with a defense being taken advantage at times because of the unstoppable offense you’d have on the other side of the ball… and like I said, even with all their investment on defense the last few years their seasons end because of that exact reason so what’s the difference? 

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

How much do you think DHOP would cost, picks wise?  I could see a fourth getting it done.

I think some of it depends on Kyler and Dhops relationship. If Hop doesn’t like Kyler and things could get ugly, maybe a 4th….. but I’d say a 2 or 3 plus later picks.  I don’t really understand the dynamics of the relationships they have going on in AZ. I think that will help determine the cost.  How bad to they want to get rid of him?
 

They save 8M in 2023 if they trade him.  15M in 2024. 

[ALLinALLEN]

On 1/10/2023 at 5:09 PM, MJS said:

I think it's a little too reckless, personally.

 

Diggs was seen as a good receiver, a potential #1, before he got here. He hadn't made a pro bowl. Now he is seen as a truly elite #1 receiver.

 

Find someone like the pre-Bills Diggs. Someone who clearly has potential, but hasn't realized it fully yet.

I really like Jeudy for this....given all the chaos in DEN (and trade rumors).

[Straight Hucklebuck]

On 1/12/2023 at 8:42 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

We need to draft our WR...we dont have the cap space to invest in D Hop.  We have Poyer, Edmunds and Devin contracts up, and Olivers the next year.  We have 3 key positions up in the air while also needing help on the OL as well as WR.

 

Draft a WR

What if the Bills let Singletary go, don’t resign Oliver?

 

I agree that the combination of draft assets to acquire (unless the Bills go player for player), and a new contract makes it harder to envision.

 

But I do think if the Bills fall short, then it’s a move to consider. 
 

After last years spree, is the new normal going to be other franchises trading away their #1 WRs?

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

It’s somewhat of a pipe dream. It’s not how this regime functions… but how do you figure the line would be even worse? 
 

Still, I could live with a defense being taken advantage at times because of the unstoppable offense you’d have on the other side of the ball… and like I said, even with all their investment on defense the last few years their seasons end because of that exact reason so what’s the difference? 

I figure the line could be worse because we wouldn’t have any money for any FAs.  Saffold is gone and will need to be replaced.  Morse just suffered another concussion- there’s always a chance he steps away (with 1 year left on his contract).  Quessenberry is a FA. He’s not great, but he’s super valuable depth. Our OL as a whole has been pretty healthy this season. We might not be so lucky next year.  
 

I’m not saying it will definitely be worse…..but it could be if the guys we get as replacements don’t produce.  Everyone talking about upgrading the OL, but if we get hopkins, our resources will be diminished and our replacements will have to be done through the draft, which could lead to an even lesser OL.  
 

 

[Billz4ever]

49 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

I really like Jeudy for this....given all the chaos in DEN (and trade rumors).

I think Jeudy would be a good #2 here for the right price. The only thing that worries me a little is his durability.  He seems to be somewhat injury prone (missed 7 games last season and 2 games this season).

 

He had 67 catches for just under 1K yards and 6 tds in 15 games this year.

 

He also just got fined for bumping a ref after losing his cool for a holding no-call in the game against KC, but he did apologize and say he was in the wrong. 

Edited January 14 by Billz4ever

[ALLinALLEN]

42 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I think Jeudy would be a good #2 here for the right price. The only thing that worries me a little is his durability.  He seems to be somewhat injury prone (missed 7 games last season and 2 games this season).

 

He had 67 catches for just under 1K yards and 6 tds in 15 games this year.

 

He also just got fined for bumping a ref after losing his cool for a holding no-call in the game against KC, but he did apologize and say he was in the wrong. 

Yeah I get the injury thing for sure (but I wouldnt want to suit up this year for that denver team even if I had a papercut). 

 

If we're talking about landing a guy the same way and with high potential as we did Diggs, you're going to need situations like Jeudy's. Disgruntled player, poor team performance, no real direction, coaching change. Much like Diggs IMO, where we could get Jeudy for a good price and have him breakout.

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Yeah I get the injury thing for sure (but I wouldnt want to suit up this year for that denver team even if I had a papercut). 

 

If we're talking about landing a guy the same way and with high potential as we did Diggs, you're going to need situations like Jeudy's. Disgruntled player, poor team performance, no real direction, coaching change. Much like Diggs IMO, where we could get Jeudy for a good price and have him breakout.

For the right price, count me in. Unless Davis dazzles in the playoffs, I've seen enough to know he's not a real WR2 in this offense.

[Mr. WEO]

what's his faith status?

[ALLinALLEN]

16 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

For the right price, count me in. Unless Davis dazzles in the playoffs, I've seen enough to know he's not a real WR2 in this offense.

Davis dazzled last postseason too, was just not a consistent threat given WR2 reps all year. Need something more reliable. a super bowl ring with 4 games of over 80 yards and some TD's might change that for me though haha

[Billz4ever]

5 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Davis dazzled last postseason too, was just not a consistent threat given WR2 reps all year. Need something more reliable. a super bowl ring with 4 games of over 80 yards and some TD's might change that for me though haha

Yeah, the playoffs this year are his last shot with me.  If he can't turn it on now, he never does.  Probably the biggest performance disappointment this year give the expectations going in.

 

The KC game last year was incredible, but looking back on it, his TDs were more a result of just great vision and throws by Josh vs Davis making great catches.  Josh was playing on a completely different level that game.

Edited January 14 by Billz4ever

[JaCrispy]

I would trade Gabe Davis and a 1st rounder for Hopkins…

 

 

Edited January 14 by JaCrispy

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Replacing Poyer or Edmunds with a mid round pick shouldn’t be so detrimental……

 

How about we take Edmunds out of this defense and plug in Bernard.  Then think about what you said.  Sure, it might not be so detrimental…..but it could implode the entire difference if we don’t hit on the player.  

 

I agree with the last part-  if they chose to go all in on 17 and giving him the best of everything, I can get behind that.  I just don’t expect that to happen.

Bernard is terrible. No way should he even sniff the field for next year. Edmunds will be a priority sign and Beane has clearly talked him up for quite awhile now. He is only gonna be 25 with lots of solid football to play. I'd be shocked if the Bills didn't get a deal done. 

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Bernard is terrible. No way should he even sniff the field for next year. Edmunds will be a priority sign and Beane has clearly talked him up for quite awhile now. He is only gonna be 25 with lots of solid football to play. I'd be shocked if the Bills didn't get a deal done. 

My comment was in response to another poster saying that we can just replace starters with mid round players.  Bernard was my example of how that could blow up in our faces.  As a rookie 3rd rd pick, he fits the criteria in the post I was responding to.  He wasn’t ready. 
 

That said, I won’t pretend to know if he can play next year.  I’d give him the offseason before deciding that for sure.  Another camp, additional weight/strength, knowledge of the system can have an impact on the product you saw this year.  Milano got better each and every year.  Maybe Bernard will too.  Right now is not the time to make a decision on whether or not he can contribute next year.  You like to label others prediction posts as ridiculous…. your Bernard post is ridiculous.  You’re saying that he can’t improve enough to sniff the field.  Nonsense.  

 

I agree, I think McB wants to retain Maine…… but it’ll be up to him and his agent to decide that imo.  If he wants 16-17aav maybe he’ll stay.  I dunno if we pay him more than that
 

Could franchise tag also be an option? Anyone know what his franchise tag cap hit would be?  Would the edge rusher LBs jack the cap hit or are they separate now?  Is Joey Bosa a LB?  TJ Watt?  Mack?  
 

 

 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

My comment was in response to another poster saying that we can just replace starters with mid round players.  Bernard was my example of how that could blow up in our faces.  As a rookie 3rd rd pick, he fits the criteria in the post I was responding to.  He wasn’t ready. 
 

That said, I won’t pretend to know if he can play next year.  I’d give him the offseason before deciding that for sure.  Another camp, additional weight/strength, knowledge of the system can have an impact on the product you saw this year.  Milano got better each and every year.  Maybe Bernard will too.  Right now is not the time to make a decision on whether or not he can contribute next year.  You like to label others prediction posts as ridiculous…. your Bernard post is ridiculous.  You’re saying that he can’t improve enough to sniff the field.  Nonsense.  

 

I agree, I think McB wants to retain Maine…… but it’ll be up to him and his agent to decide that imo.  If he wants 16-17aav maybe he’ll stay.  I dunno if we pay him more than that
 

Could franchise tag also be an option? Anyone know what his franchise tag cap hit would be?  Would the edge rusher LBs jack the cap hit or are they separate now?  Is Joey Bosa a LB?  TJ Watt?  Mack?  
 

 

 

It was pretty ridiculous. Perhaps, it's a reaction to the pick. Hated it live and nothing indicates it was a good pick now. Of course, he can improve. He has a lot of improving to do. 

Edited January 14 by newcam2012

[BillsShredder83]

On 1/11/2023 at 5:43 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

You act as if there's a chance of this. 

 

I mean, it's not flat-out impossible, but it isn't the type of deal they do for many reasons, money, picks, and not enough balls for both guys. His age. The probability he'd be a very expensive rental, which they don't give valuable picks for. Likelihood extremely low.

 

It's fun to imagine, so there's that.

 

 

I really just dont get the not enough balls for one guy. Theyre not 90s RBs. Theres more than enough for these guys to share just like other teams have.

 

$$ and picks is a problem, itll never happen, but that other problem is self imagined

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

It was pretty ridiculous. Perhaps, it's a reaction to the pick. Hated it live and nothing indicates it was a good pick now. Of course, he can improve. He has a lot of improving to do. 

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[HappyDays]

Last year we missed out on Von Miller. This year we missed out on Christian McCaffrey. Both players transformed their respective teams. Just once I think we can afford to overpay for a difference maker. The more I think about it the more I want Beane to make it happen even if the price looks silly.

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Last year we missed out on Von Miller. This year we missed out on Christian McCaffrey. Both players transformed their respective teams. Just once I think we can afford to overpay for a difference maker. The more I think about it the more I want Beane to make it happen even if the price looks silly.

I think a lot rides on how this season unfolds. If the O get stifled and a season ending loss, I could see a big move

[HappyDays]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think a lot rides on how this season unfolds. If the O get stifled and a season ending loss, I could see a big move

 

Even if they don't, why not make the move anyways? True difference makers are hard to come by. Beane has been incredibly patient about using his draft picks and cap space. What's the point of all that patience if you don't cash in every once in a while?