TUA in Concussion Protocol Again!

[galept]

15 minutes ago, BigdaddyinOrlando said:

I saw this out of the corner of my eyes live and said to my wife that he whacked his head on the ground. Was amazed at not seeing any replay of it but sadly not shocked about him in protocol. However I am shocked and disappointed that he wasn’t put in this protocol during the game! This kids brain is being scrambled and not being caught or team isn’t in his best interest! Sad actually 

 

It doesn't help that he lies about how he's feeling. He refuses to protect himself, which is a ticking time bomb that appears to have gone off.

[Dick_Cheney]

47 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Every single player reacts to concussions differently… Some get one and they’re messed up for life

 

Some people get 5 and it doesn’t affect their long-term health… Tua becoming Stiff and twitching was definitely scary 

 

I lost my college football career because of concussions…. You can see CTE brain damage in guys like Antonio Brown

 

Thankfully Morse doesn’t seem to be in that category as of now

Yeah, I "only" had two that I was officially aware of. That was enough for me and I didn't go past high school. I knew I wasn't ever gonna go further than that, and having those cobwebs get worse each time wasn't worth it for me.

 

That said, if I was getting paid millions upon millions of dollars, it's a different story.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

So correct me if I’m missing something here…it’s either:

 

A) He suffered a 3rd concussion this season, in the first half, and played the entire rest of the game? Again?!

 

or

 

B) His terrible 2nd half is being explained about by reporting of minor or even false symptoms, in an effort to make his dreadful performance understandable.

 

 

Either way, this is a TERRIBLE look for the dolphins.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said:

Yeah, I "only" had two that I was officially aware of. That was enough for me and I didn't go past high school. I knew I wasn't ever gonna go further than that, and having those cobwebs get worse each time wasn't worth it for me.

 

That said, if I was getting paid millions upon millions of dollars, it's a different story.

20 30 40 50 60 years ago These guys got there bell rung …. And it was just that… Cobwebs and you got your bell rung 

 

Thankfully science caught up to that… Because As we know… It’s not just getting your bell rung 

 

There are serious long-term effects

[HOUSE]

When Tua retires I am expecting a fat lawsuit against the Dolphins and NFL. 

[4merper4mer]

53 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

This is the same crap Dahmer said to the cops before they let him take that Asian kid back to his apartment.

[Low Positive]

Tua is under incredible pressure to be “tough.”

http://amp.awfulannouncing.com/espn/tua-tagovailoa-reveals-his-father-beat-him-with-a-belt-for-interceptions-gameday-crew-laughs-about-joe-jackson-methods.html

 

[BuffaloBaumer]

That whole organization makes me freaking sick to my stomach. What a fckn disgrace

[BarleyNY]

The continued ineptitude by NFL and Dolphins is crazy. No coach in his right mind would want to put a concussed player back on the field. Tua’s stats pre and post concussion tell one reason why. Short and long term health impacts are another. But the NFL continuing to screw this up is even more shocking. As focused as they are on optics, missing this is unacceptable. Remember that they fired the doc that missed it last time.  Now the replacement misses the same guy bouncing his head off the ground. Wow!

Edited December 27, 2022 by BarleyNY

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

That whole organization makes me freaking sick to my stomach. What a fckn disgrace

Steven Ross wants to win a SB so bad just to stick it to Goddell for punishing him for the penalties for tampering.

[SoTier]

Aren't there supposed to be observers watching plays to see if a player hit his head?

[Seventeen]

19 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

So correct me if I’m missing something here…it’s either:

 

A) He suffered a 3rd concussion this season, in the first half, and played the entire rest of the game? Again?!

 

or

 

B) His terrible 2nd half is being explained about by reporting of minor or even false symptoms, in an effort to make his dreadful performance understandable.

 

 

Either way, this is a TERRIBLE look for the dolphins.

 

Not a doctor, but one of the symptoms of concussions is bad depth perception which could explain the 3 INTs in the 4th quarter. 

[mjd1001]

2 hours ago, FLFan said:

McDaniel should at least be suspended for allowing this to happen again.  The play in question happens late in the first half i believe.  

Take away a draft pick also. a 2nd next year sound about right to me.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Holy hell. If this is true what the hell happened during the game to allow him to keep playing??

The same as hundreds of other non obvious concussions that are missed?

[PetermansRedemption]

3 minutes ago, SoTier said:

Aren't there supposed to be observers watching plays to see if a player hit his head?

I’ve noticed multiple times in multiple games where it was obvious a player took a shot to the head and he was never called off the field. I think the whole observer thing is a farce. 

[NoSaint]

7 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

The continued ineptitude by NFL and Dolphins is crazy. No coach in his right mind would want to put a concussed player back on the field. Tua’s stats pre and post concussion tell one reason why. Short and long term health impacts are another. But the NFL continuing to screw this up is even more shocking. As focused as they are on optics, missing this is unacceptable. Remember that they fired the doc that missed it last time.  Now the replacement misses the same guy bouncing his head off the ground. Wow!

If the expectation is catching every single head injury, you may as well fire the next three guys today too. It’s just not going to happen. You wont even 100% catch the obvious ones, yet alone every last head bounce, etc… without symptoms shown 

[PrimeTime101]

the thing of it is, they are happening easier now. The dude needs to retire. Its the person before the football player... 3 in a year? that should be it.

[Dick_Cheney]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

That whole organization makes me freaking sick to my stomach. What a fckn disgrace

I agree.

 

I still think it's pretty messed up what happened to Josh in the Green Bay game, and nobody officially said anything about it. That said, these things do happen on a spectrum, although even a minor concussion is not something to mess around with.

 

If what happened to Tua had happened to Josh, especially the hit that sent Tua into a near seizure on the turf, I genuinely would not have felt great about him coming back at any point this year. Sure, it's easy to say that from a spectator standpoint discussing a hypothetical, but it's a hypothetical until it isn't. That's the kind of hit that takes years off of a man's life, and although I want a Super Bowl as badly as a Bills fan can want a Super Bowl, I'm still able to take a step back and say that it is not worth a person's life.

 

We've been lucky thus far and I hope it stays that way. Every game is a gamble for these guys, and they know the stakes better than anyone, but still. It can't be easy to walk away when you have the pressure of an organization and millions of fans demanding your performance. It's sad to say, but it's almost in Tua's best interest for one more bad hit to happen that really, finally puts things into perspective and he reconsiders what he's doing.

[Success]

Twitter and the rest are going crazy on this story.

 

It's really one of my least favorite things about the internet.  Instantly, everyone feels like they know everything, and are quick to judge.

 

From the sounds of it, he only exhibited some symptoms after the game.  And they're not even sure yet if it's really a concussion.  This doesn't sound like it was something that was instantly clear or obvious, or even suspicious. But we all need more details to come out.

 

[Dick_Cheney]

1 minute ago, Success said:

Twitter and the rest are going crazy on this story.

 

It's really one of my least favorite things about the internet.  Instantly, everyone feels like they know everything, and are quick to judge.

 

From the sounds of it, he only exhibited some symptoms after the game.  And they're not even sure yet if it's really a concussion.  This doesn't sound like it was something that was instantly clear or obvious, or even suspicious. But we all need more details to come out.

 

He exhibited symtpoms as soon as he started throwing the ball again.

Edited December 27, 2022 by Dick_Cheney

[Dr.Sack]

3 minutes ago, NUT said:

But he showed no symptoms after the play. I have seen Allen whack his head like that on the field quite a few times.

 

Not sure you can blame anyone if he doesn't show symptoms and doesn't say anything.

In fact I wager concussions like the one Tua suffered are much more common, and QBs suddenly look off, make errant throws and we wonder why they didn’t read the field properly. It could very well be they are playing concussed. 

[fathersnowman]

watched the game vs packers. first half was great team performance. 2nd half he clearly hit is head on ground and still played on.  his passes on turnovers were so bad why did miami let him play on.... they need to be fined and the nfl needs to say tua out for remainder of season..

the kid as heart, but at what cost..

 

[Rochesterfan]

16 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

The continued ineptitude by NFL and Dolphins is crazy. No coach in his right mind would want to put a concussed player back on the field. Tua’s stats pre and post concussion tell one reason why. Short and long term health impacts are another. But the NFL continuing to screw this up is even more shocking. As focused as they are on optics, missing this is unacceptable. Remember that they fired the doc that missed it last time.  Now the replacement misses the same guy bouncing his head off the ground. Wow!

 

No one was fired for missing the first issue.  The NFLPA used their right to fire the independent Doctor because of the way he answered their questions in regards to the situation.

 

The NFLPA ended up agreeing with the NFL that based upon the current rules - the situation was handled correctly.  The NFL and NFLPA then went about editing the rules to fill in the gaps.

 

Again - if Tua does not show any signs - they are not pulling every player that bangs their head.  If Tua did not stumble or show fencing posture or anything else - what are the spotters supposed to do?

 

Edited December 27, 2022 by Rochesterfan

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Maybe there could be something to this?

 

Maybe, but it also happens that teams have a great first half offensively and the opponent's defense makes adjustments, or vice versa?  I don't think we can always pin 2nd half mistakes on the QB getting concussed.  Though there was speculation that Allen may have hit his head hard when tackled on one of his runs, and it caused some of his INTs vs GB in the 2nd half.

 

There was some speculation here, when the news came out that Tua had passed his baseline testing for concussion vs. the Bills, that as many players do he might have deliberately under-scored on his baseline testing so that he could pass it when dinged up.  So unless he showed obvious signs in his balance and gait they might have tested him and still kept him out.

 

TBH I don't know that I would have flagged that hit as a potential concussion just watching it.  I don't think every time a player hits his head = concussion.  But maybe I'm wrong.

[Success]

4 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said:

He exhibited symtpoms as soon as he started throwing the ball again.

 

Did he?

 

How do you mean? Because he threw INT's?

 

[djp14150]

Ding *****….is he done for the season?

[vincec]

2 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

You mean to tell me there Is a possibility, slight of course, that a coach only cares about results in a result driven league?

 

I don't know, that sounds outlandish and fishy.

This is the exact reason that they are supposed to have an independent spotter and specialist looking for this during games. What are these people doing???

[Dick_Cheney]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Did he?

 

How do you mean? Because he threw INT's?

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

21 minutes ago, SoTier said:

Aren't there supposed to be observers watching plays to see if a player hit his head?

 

17 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I’ve noticed multiple times in multiple games where it was obvious a player took a shot to the head and he was never called off the field. I think the whole observer thing is a farce. 

 
 

It is not getting hit in the head - that happens all of the time - it is professional football.

 

The spotters are looking for actions after the hit, players stumbling or heading to the wrong huddle, looking lost or dazed, any “fencing” posture.  
 

They are not pulling people that just hit their head unaccompanied by other signs.

 

It is made more difficult by other players helping guys up as that masks some of the signs.  Plus they are watching groups of players and if something happens fast - it is easy to miss.

 

Did Tua hit his head - Yes.

 

Should he have been pulled - not by the spotters because he showed no signs.

 

Then it goes to the team - talking with him on the sideline or in the huddle was there and issue - that is not on the spotters but his teammates to get him out.

 

 

[Success]

3 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said:

 

 

Poor QB play is not a concussion symptom.

 

 

 

 

[Dick_Cheney]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

Poor QB play is not a concussion symptom.

 

 

 

 

Garbage ass QB play to that degree immediately after having your head driven into the dirt, however, is.

 

I get what you're saying, but come on. It's obvious.

[Success]

Just now, Dick_Cheney said:

Garbage ass QB play to that degree immediately after having your head driven into the dirt, however, is.

 

I get what you're saying, but come on. It's obvious.

 

I get what you're saying too - but it's not what they look for, or what they're instructed to look for.  Protocol is all about actual concussion symptoms.

 

Look, it may end up that Miami is really at fault here - but like I said in the original post, there are too many snap reactions on the internet, when no one knows anything right now aside from that he hit his head.  This announcement today took everyone by surprise, and we all watched the game.

 

[Rochesterfan]

2 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said:

Garbage ass QB play to that degree immediately after having your head driven into the dirt, however, is.

 

I get what you're saying, but come on. It's obvious.

 

 

 So every time you get garbage QB play it could be a concussion?

 

He hit his head on the ground and showed no signs and nothing that his teammates or coaches said.

 

What about WR - should every time a WR lands on his back and then drops a pass - should we expect concussion.

 

The facts are he showed no outward sign - so no independent visual was going to pull him.  He did not complain that we are aware of symptoms during the game and none of his teammates saw enough wrong to say anything.

 

The Defense of GB changed up and once again the Dolphins and their stupid HC got away from the running game. 
 

Maybe it was concussion symptoms or maybe he had a really bad 2nd half against a defense that adjusted and then overnight he got symptoms like a headache and or nausea that he reported that had no impact on the game.

 

 

[f0neguy]

We, the fans of the game, have been told that there are independent spotters looking for possible concussions during the game.  If any player (Tua) has a history of head injuries, and bounces their head off of the turf, I would think they would be examined the first time they came off of the field, symptoms or not.  Obviously, I’m wrong but that would make sense to me…

[BarleyNY]

31 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

No one was fired for missing the first issue.  The NFLPA used their right to fire the independent Doctor because of the way he answered their questions in regards to the situation.

 

The NFLPA ended up agreeing with the NFL that based upon the current rules - the situation was handled correctly.  The NFL and NFLPA then went about editing the rules to fill in the gaps.

 

Again - if Tua does not show any signs - they are not pulling every player that bangs their head.  If Tua did not stumble or show fencing posture or anything else - what are the spotters supposed to do?

 

I’m sure you can understand why the reason the NFL gave publicly was one that allowed them to disavow responsibility for the mistake. 

[Buffalo03]

3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

Early in the game he gets hit and his head hits the ground.  Several fans posted they thought he should have been tested, but the Dolphins did nothing.

 

Then he screws up their season and wham here you are.

 

Maybe here:

 

 

 

This same dude complained later to a comment in this same tweet where someone said "no roughing the passer on that". This guy responded "it is for any other QB, but it's Tua so you're allowed to dive at his knees". Just another whiny Dolphins fan. There's always someone else's fault for their losses

 

Edited December 27, 2022 by Buffalo03

[Airseven]

Dolphins bounced back before…they have enough talent to do it again.
 

Injuries seem particularly brutal this season. There’s so much context to each game, including these injuries, it’s crazy. And it hits every team.
 

You truly are what your record says you are and anything else is overanalysis. That’s a credit to the Bills.

[f0neguy]

I realize he showed no symptoms.  With his history, I would hope the independent spotter would check regardless.  He had a serious injury earlier this season.  He bounced his head off of a lightly padded concrete floor.  The shield (and NFLPA) preach their concern over concussions.  He should have been checked.

[Rochesterfan]

14 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I’m sure you can understand why the reason the NFL gave publicly was one that allowed them to disavow responsibility for the mistake. 

 

Yes, but why would the NFLPA come out and agree with the NFL that the rules were followed as written.

 

Additionally why would the NFLPA come out and specifically state the independent doctor was not fired for the Miami issue, but specifically because he was argumentative in his examination when the talked to him.

 

They found no fault with what he did or whether the protocol was followed and the NFLPA is certainly not trying to allow the NFL to “disavow responsibility” - yet they found no fault.

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

12 minutes ago, f0neguy said:

I realize he showed no symptoms.  With his history, I would hope the independent spotter would check regardless.  He had a serious injury earlier this season.  He bounced his head off of a lightly padded concrete floor.  The shield (and NFLPA) preach their concern over concussions.  He should have been checked.

 

Again the spotters are not looking for everyone that bangs their head - it happens on nearly every play.  They are looking for specific signs that a concussion might have occurred.  Those are clearly defined and have been added to due to the previous fiasco the Dolphins screwed up.

 

If you want them checking every player after every hit - you are going to be pulling people after most plays.  Also how fair is it to write a rule and say - well this guy we want to pull any time - even if he shows no sign and this guy is fine because he does not have a history that we know about.

 

You can’t do that - you make specific things for them to look for and criteria to pull them from a game - then you also expect that teams and teammates will pull a guy that is acting or looks funny ( see the Eagles).
 

If he showed No Symptoms as you said hen you are targeting a team and player and the NFLPA specifically did not want that because they were afraid it could impact future contracts if there was fear of a guy getting pulled showing nothing.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2022 by Rochesterfan