Tre'Davious White - when will he be ready?

[Simon]

3 hours ago, Bad Things said:

I think Eric should just STFU

 

I have to wonder if Wood actually even said anything defamatory.

The poster who claims he did is clearly pushing some agenda that he's become emotionally attached to and has already twisted McDermott's words to fit his own biases.

I wouldn't take the second hand word of anybody posting from that perspective.

[Ya Digg?]

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Dude, that guy is a warrior.  Universally respected.  There’s a big difference between not being medically cleared to play and declining to retire to keep the employer on the hook for bonus monies owed and having the clearance and refusing to take the field.  Wood earned the right to express his views, whatever they may be, on that issue.  

When has Tre ever shown that he’s not a “warrior”? At no point in his entire career up until the last couple of weeks has anyone ever questioned his work ethic or character. Even during training camp Tre was getting all sorts of praise because of the work he was putting in AND the amount of time he was spending after practice to work with the cornerbacks. But because people feel entitled to know everything that’s going on in the locker room, when they don’t know they get angry. It’s quite sad actually

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I have to wonder if Wood actually even said anything defamatory.

The poster who claims he did is clearly pushing some agenda that he's become emotionally attached to and has already twisted McDermott's words to fit his own biases.

I wouldn't take the second hand word of anybody posting from that perspective.

If it’s the pregame stuff… Eric Wood clearly put it out there that there could be some discrepancy between staff and Tre.  He was pretty tame, but open to discussing that there may be a disconnect. 
 

Now Chris Brown .. Chris Brown was not so tame in the insinuation that Tre needs to stop listening to others outside the building and that he has a commitment to a team that pays him very well. 

[Einstein's Dog]

4 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

There’s a big difference between an avocation (college soccer) and a highly paid vocation (NFL football).  If you’re making $17m/season and you’ve been cleared to play relative a ligamentary issue like this one,  then your butt better be out there.  They’ve been extremely patient with Tre but, in McD’s words, it’s time to “go.”  The only excuse for continuing to sit is in Tre’s mind, and it’s not going to change until someone forces him to give it a go. 

Why do you totally discount the possibility of Tre changing his mind?  Seems possible to me that eventually Tre may feel his knee is up for it. 

 

And have you considered it might not be an "excuse" but an actual concern?  There exists a real conflict of interest in a team doctor and a coach somehow being the party responsible for determining if Tre is ready to hit the field.

[dancing_joker]

Tre has no guaranteed money on his contract after this year. No one is trading for someone that doesn’t want to play. If he doesn’t get it together soon, he’ll be cut

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Why do you totally discount the possibility of Tre changing his mind?  Seems possible to me that eventually Tre may feel his knee is up for it. 

 

And have you considered it might not be an "excuse" but an actual concern?  There exists a real conflict of interest in a team doctor and a coach somehow being the party responsible for determining if Tre is ready to hit the field.

He is fully medically cleared and practicing without restriction.

 

If “concern” is the issue, it’s not from the doctors. 

[Mango]

5 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Now you see the light.  At this moment, he does not want to play football.  You’ve finally acknowledged the point that I’ve made all along.  

 

Therein lies the friction between White and the Bills.  The teams has indicated that he is physically able to participate.  He has chosen not to participate.  Patience, I suspect, is beginning to to wear thin, as reflected by what I understand to have been the sharp commentary by Wood and Brownie on state radio. 

There’s a big difference between an avocation (college soccer) and a highly paid vocation (NFL football).  If you’re making $17m/season and you’ve been cleared to play relative a ligamentary issue like this one,  then your butt better be out there.  They’ve been extremely patient with Tre but, in McD’s words, it’s time to “go.”  The only excuse for continuing to sit is in Tre’s mind, and it’s not going to change until someone forces him to give it a go. 

You sound like one of the worst leaders of people I could possibly imagine. 

[Einstein's Dog]

10 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

He is fully medically cleared and practicing without restriction.

 

If “concern” is the issue, it’s not from the doctors. 

And when you say "doctors" you mean team doctors, right?  Because Tre's personal physician's opinions have not been reported.  And if you read between the lines you can deduce there is a difference of opinion.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said:

And when you say "doctors" you mean team doctors, right?  Because Tre's personal physician's opinions have not been reported.  And if you read between the lines you can deduce there is a difference of opinion.

This saga is just entering ridiculous territory honestly.

 

Modern ACL surgeries are performed every day.

 

The recovery timelines are well established.

 

He’s out there now fully practicing with the team for weeks. 
 

He’s not limited, he’s not working off to the side, he doesn’t have a red jersey on.

 

Our coach is now saying things like we’re all encouraging Tre, sometimes you just have to go, it’s a team decision, etc. 

 

It’s not a wrong expectation to ask where he is and why he isn’t playing. 

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

If it’s the pregame stuff… Eric Wood clearly put it out there that there could be some discrepancy between staff and Tre.  He was pretty tame, but open to discussing that there may be a disconnect. 
 

Now Chris Brown .. Chris Brown was not so tame in the insinuation that Tre needs to stop listening to others outside the building and that he has a commitment to a team that pays him very well. 

which is pretty crazy, considering EW and CB are both North Korean State Media basically.

[Einstein's Dog]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

This saga is just entering ridiculous territory honestly.

Modern ACL surgeries are performed every day.

The recovery timelines are well established.

He’s out there now fully practicing with the team for weeks. 
He’s not limited, he’s not working off to the side, he doesn’t have a red jersey on.

Our coach is now saying things like we’re all encouraging Tre, sometimes you just have to go, it’s a team decision, etc. 

It’s not a wrong expectation to ask where he is and why he isn’t playing. 

You're entering into the ridiculous territory of internet doctor now.  Not all ACL tears are the same and there is no set timetable.

 

You don't know that he is not limited.  And you don't know how he is feeling afterwards and what his personal doctors are saying.

 

Your last sentence doesn't make sense.  You can ask him just about anything, but don't expect him to tell you what his personal doctors are saying.

[Solomon Grundy]

7 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Now you see the light.  At this moment, he does not want to play football.  You’ve finally acknowledged the point that I’ve made all along.  

 

Therein lies the friction between White and the Bills.  The teams has indicated that he is physically able to participate.  He has chosen not to participate.  Patience, I suspect, is beginning to to wear thin, as reflected by what I understand to have been the sharp commentary by Wood and Brownie on state radio. 

There’s a big difference between an avocation (college soccer) and a highly paid vocation (NFL football).  If you’re making $17m/season and you’ve been cleared to play relative a ligamentary issue like this one,  then your butt better be out there.  They’ve been extremely patient with Tre but, in McD’s words, it’s time to “go.”  The only excuse for continuing to sit is in Tre’s mind, and it’s not going to change until someone forces him to give it a go. 

Is it "wearing thin" on Brown and Wood or Tre's teammates? If it's Brown and Wood, who gives a care what they think!! 

[CoudyBills]

11 hours ago, nucci said:

every game matters. 

How people don't get this...

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

Right, so he wants to play…..

You can't know that anymore than the OP can know that he doesn't.  That's how this works.

[CoudyBills]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

He earned the right to throw one of the most beloved Bills under the bus a year after tearing his acl.  

What exactly did he say that was throwing Tre under the bus?  Maybe a link to this assertion?

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

You're entering into the ridiculous territory of internet doctor now.  Not all ACL tears are the same and there is no set timetable.

 

You don't know that he is not limited.  And you don't know how he is feeling afterwards and what his personal doctors are saying.

 

Your last sentence doesn't make sense.  You can ask him just about anything, but don't expect him to tell you what his personal doctors are saying.

If he is limited, the team must report it on the injury list.  Otherwise fines and draft comp issues ensue.

[BringBackFergy]

9 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

What exactly did he say that was throwing Tre under the bus?  Maybe a link to this assertion?

If he is limited, the team must report it on the injury list.  Otherwise fines and draft comp issues ensue.

You’re doing good work here. But this thread is absolute garbage. Questioning someone’s health or ability to heal quicker than someone else is bush league. Typical “expert keyboard warriors”. Take my advice…skim past this thread. It’s ridiculous. 

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

You’re doing good work here. But this thread is absolute garbage. Questioning someone’s health or ability to heal quicker than someone else is bush league. Typical “expert keyboard warriors”. Take my advice…skim past this thread. It’s ridiculous. 

He’s healed.  He’s cleared.  He’s been so for weeks.  What’s the hold up?  It’s not physical, according to McD. So what is it? 

[Milanos Milano]

30 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

You’re doing good work here. But this thread is absolute garbage. Questioning someone’s health or ability to heal quicker than someone else is bush league. Typical “expert keyboard warriors”. Take my advice…skim past this thread. It’s ridiculous. 

He has been medically cleared by team doctors. That’s all that matters because he plays for the Bills. Suit up and get it on, he is paid for those risks or re-injury. 

It’s probably a good idea to draft another CB high in the draft. 

27 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

He’s healed.  He’s cleared.  He’s been so for weeks.  What’s the hold up?  It’s not physical, according to McD. So what is it? 

Tre doesn’t feel ready, for whatever reason. He doesn’t trust the judgement of team doctors. 

[Milanos Milano]

3 hours ago, Mango said:

You sound like one of the worst leaders of people I could possibly imagine. 

Would you be ok if Tre has determined in his own mind that he doesn’t feel comfortable to perform until next season even though team doctors have cleared him? 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

You're entering into the ridiculous territory of internet doctor now.  Not all ACL tears are the same and there is no set timetable.

 

You don't know that he is not limited.  And you don't know how he is feeling afterwards and what his personal doctors are saying.

 

Your last sentence doesn't make sense.  You can ask him just about anything, but don't expect him to tell you what his personal doctors are saying.

I don’t know he’s not limited?

 

The Bills are lying then because he’s not on the injury report with any designation. 

 

You act like doctors encounter ACLs and think what do we do about this?

 

Sports medicine is advanced, this procedure is done routinely. 
 

If it was a situation like Daunte Culpepper and everything was destroyed, that’s one thing. 

[Buffalo716]

This thread is a clown show

[Doc Brown]

If it is a mental thing then the Bills are doing the absolute right thing in not playing him.  Get him whatever help he needs to get back out there because once he plays a game my guess is he'll be fine after that. 

[JDubya76]

8 hours ago, Beast said:

Why would you be so upset at Eric Wood?

Inappropriate touching?

[Mango]

3 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Would you be ok if Tre has determined in his own mind that he doesn’t feel comfortable to perform until next season even though team doctors have cleared him? 

This likely is not the case. 
 

I had a similar situation at a similar level. Cleared by doctors, but the injury still wasn’t right and it was effecting my body mechanics and was still causing pain. Coaches were the ones to keep pulling me. Not myself. 
 

But if he is, then it is what it is. You can’t force a guy to play at a high level in the NFL. I really like Tre the person and I wish him the best at wherever life takes him.
 

He’s a human, not here for your entertainment. He’s was never a “take the money and run” kind of guy. He was the first guy to realty start to turn this ship around. 
 

[nucci]

6 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

How people don't get this...

 

I don't know. Ask him what the standings will look like if Dolphins, Jets and Pats win this week while we lose a meaningless game?

[CoudyBills]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

I don't know. Ask him what the standings will look like if Dolphins, Jets and Pats win this week while we lose a meaningless game?

Like the meaningless Vikings game 

[Milanos Milano]

4 hours ago, Mango said:

This likely is not the case. 
 

I had a similar situation at a similar level. Cleared by doctors, but the injury still wasn’t right and it was effecting my body mechanics and was still causing pain. Coaches were the ones to keep pulling me. Not myself. 
 

But if he is, then it is what it is. You can’t force a guy to play at a high level in the NFL. I really like Tre the person and I wish him the best at wherever life takes him.
 

He’s a human, not here for your entertainment. He’s was never a “take the money and run” kind of guy. He was the first guy to realty start to turn this ship around. 
 

Tre is a great talent. It just sucks watching players play through collapsed lungs, broken ribs, and whatnot. I guess it’s for the best, nobody wants Tre to be a liability out there getting toast by some WR3. He can rest up full knowing he won’t have to deal with battlefield hardship. 

Edited November 24, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[SectionC3]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

If it is a mental thing then the Bills are doing the absolute right thing in not playing him.  Get him whatever help he needs to get back out there because once he plays a game my guess is he'll be fine after that. 

Agreed.  Sometimes people need a nudge, or tough love.  Enough worrying about what might happen or what could be.  It’s time to give it a go and see what happens.  

[BringBackFergy]

The way SectionC3 and IronMaidenBills see it

 

 

[DapperCam]

5 hours ago, Mango said:

This likely is not the case. 
 

I had a similar situation at a similar level. Cleared by doctors, but the injury still wasn’t right and it was effecting my body mechanics and was still causing pain. Coaches were the ones to keep pulling me. Not myself. 
 

But if he is, then it is what it is. You can’t force a guy to play at a high level in the NFL. I really like Tre the person and I wish him the best at wherever life takes him.
 

He’s a human, not here for your entertainment. He’s was never a “take the money and run” kind of guy. He was the first guy to realty start to turn this ship around. 
 

I mean he is literally here for our entertainment. That is his occupation and why he is here. Of course he is still human.

[John from Riverside]

17 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Tre is a great talent. It just sucks watching players play through collapsed lungs, broken ribs, and whatnot. I guess it’s for the best, nobody wants Tre to be a liability out there getting toast by some WR3. He can rest up full knowing he won’t have to deal with battlefield hardship. 

You have absolutely no idea what is going on on this team this is all conjecture what really amazes me is how a player can be an all pro player for us for years and then have people turn on him after a catastrophic injury

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

You have absolutely no idea what is going on on this team this is all conjecture what really amazes me is how a player can be an all pro player for us for years and then have people turn on him after a catastrophic injury

He’s medically cleared. Imagine not showing up to your job after being medically cleared. Yeah boss, I’m just not feeling up to the task, I still feel a little off. Sorry, maybe I will write up the report after Q3 eventhough you need me for this important client project. 
Meanwhile you got Johnny in there hammering out spreadsheets with schizophrenia. 

[Milanos Milano]

12 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I mean he is literally here for our entertainment. That is his occupation and why he is here. Of course he is still human.

It’s literally their profession. Millions of dollars to entertain and take on the risks that come with the job title. Millions of people literally take on risks everyday at their little people jobs. Imagine making a million or more a game only to be told you are medically fit (with 2022 med tech no less) and not play because you don’t feel up to the task. 
The more I think about it, it’s probably for the best that he doesn’t play, I don’t want him out there if he isn’t mentally prepared and getting toast by the likes of Mims. 

[John from Riverside]

13 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

He’s medically cleared. Imagine not showing up to your job after being medically cleared. Yeah boss, I’m just not feeling up to the task, I still feel a little off. Sorry, maybe I will write up the report after Q3 eventhough you need me for this important client project. 
Meanwhile you got Johnny in there hammering out spreadsheets with schizophrenia. 

You’re comparing a desk job to someone that Hass to go out and hammer people cut you know the drill you know this is not a good comparison

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

You’re comparing a desk job to someone that Hass to go out and hammer people cut you know the drill you know this is not a good comparison

People play with collapsed lungs, broken ribs, partially torn ligaments. Heck, there might be a QB this week that plays with a non throwing dislocated shoulder. People play not being 100%. Nobody would fault Tre for giving up a 100 yard game. Heart is important, and it’s why Poyer deserves a pay day. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

People play with collapsed lungs, broken ribs, partially torn ligaments. Heck, there might be a QB this week that plays with a non throwing dislocated shoulder. People play not being 100%. Nobody would fault Tre for giving up a 100 yard game. Heart is important, and it’s why Poyer deserves a pay day. 

Nobody is saying that poyer doesn’t deserve a payday

 

personally, if Trey White went out there and gave up 100 yard game, I’d be pissed because we have healthy corners that can play if they do get a man. Hopefully he’s on a pitch count and not starting the whole game.

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

Nobody is saying that poyer doesn’t deserve a payday

 

personally, if Trey White went out there and gave up 100 yard game, I’d be pissed because we have healthy corners that can play if they do get a man. Hopefully he’s on a pitch count and not starting the whole game.

My only point is Tre is medically cleared. Tre mentally probably doesn’t feel ready. So you are right, it’s best just to sit someone who isn’t mentally all there. I want players on the field who will go to war for this city. 

[Brand J]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

People play with collapsed lungs, broken ribs, partially torn ligaments. Heck, there might be a QB this week that plays with a non throwing dislocated shoulder. People play not being 100%. Nobody would fault Tre for giving up a 100 yard game. Heart is important, and it’s why Poyer deserves a pay day. 

I was one of the ones for not paying Poyer a large amount of money because of his age and position, but man he really makes a difference. More so than others who were already awarded big contracts.
I don’t know how they can do it, with all the other salaries escalating after this year, but would love to see him return for a year or two while we find his replacement. Hamlin is okay back there, but the Bills have always needed to get more athletic on the back end. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

My only point is Tre is medically cleared. Tre mentally probably doesn’t feel ready. So you are right, it’s best just to sit someone who isn’t mentally all there. I want players on the field who will go to war for this city. 

Let’s not act like Tre has not done that I don’t specifically know what’s going on and neither do you but prior to that ACL injury look how many games he missed. And look at the quality play he gave us.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Nobody is saying that poyer doesn’t deserve a payday

 

personally, if Trey White went out there and gave up 100 yard game, I’d be pissed because we have healthy corners that can play if they do get a man. Hopefully he’s on a pitch count and not starting the whole game.

I'm saying it may not be wise to plop a pile of money in poyers lap. 

 

Great player, but age is a concern 

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I'm saying it may not be wise to plop a pile of money in poyers lap. 

 

Great player, but age is a concern 

It really depends on the numbers to me you’re either doing that or you’re drafting a safety high and next draft