SNF: Chiefs @ Chargers

[Simon]

Just now, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I seriously question why a Chiefs fan's top priority is to post on a Bills board after a huge win.

 

 

Cuz there's better discussion here than on any team forum on the internet

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Well .. we can be pissed about it. but they earn that right over the course of the season,. our team earlier this month dropped two games they seemingly had under control in the 3rd quarter... the Chiefs win games with come from behind victories in the last minute.. we can be angry but it is what it is..

I watched the whole game and honestly thought we had a solid shot at KC losing one.

 

NOPE...they are winners not losers.  

 

Only reasonable shot left for KC dropping even 1 more game is Bengals, and I don't see that working.

 

KC will likely win out and we ain't gonna catch 'em.

 

 

[Zerovoltz]

Just now, buffblue said:

Zero, what did you think of the call on Derwin James against Kelce? Am I a homer or blind for not seeing the penalty? Seemed like an absolute gift

 

If you are referring to the holding call...It was holding.  I've seen games where some refs let that stuff happen all game, and sometimes they don't.  

 

FWIW, the ref that SNF has to refer to on plays like that....he agreed it was the right call.

[Process]

It's pretty crazy that a failed QB sneak could cost us the 1 seed two years in a row

[Trock]

Just now, Simon said:

 

Cuz there's better discussion here than on any team forum on the internet

Thanks to you mods…

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, Nextmanup said:

I watched the whole game and honestly thought we had a solid shot at KC losing one.

 

NOPE...they are winners not losers.  

 

Only reasonable shot left for KC dropping even 1 more game is Bengals, and I don't see that working.

 

KC will likely win out and we ain't gonna catch 'em.

 

 

 

I dont think the Bills are winning out so a moot point in my view...

 

Still doesnt mean the Bills cant beat them at Arrowhead.. again

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Process said:

It's pretty crazy that a failed QB sneak could cost us the 1 seed two years in a row

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[HappyDays]

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

 

Well .. we can be pissed about it. but they earn that right over the course of the season,. our team earlier this month dropped two games they seemingly had under control in the 3rd quarter... the Chiefs win games with come from behind victories in the last minute.. we can be angry but it is what it is..

 

The coaches losing us the Vikings game may very well keep us out of the #1 seed when all is said and done. Numerous mistakes from McDermott and Dorsey caused an easy victory to slip away from us. I'm glad they corrected those issues today, but if they ever want us to be the #1 seed they can't have those lapses in the first place. I actually can't remember the last time the Chiefs lost because of coaching malfeasance. They are super well prepared and motivated every single week every single season.

[buffblue]

1 minute ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

If you are referring to the holding call...It was holding.  I've seen games where some refs let that stuff happen all game, and sometimes they don't.  

 

FWIW, the ref that SNF has to refer to on plays like that....he agreed it was the right call.

Cmon man. That stuff happens all game long by both teams in the NFL. Why choose to enforce it at that juncture? The letter of the law reasoning is pretty damn flimsy if you ask me

[Zerovoltz]

2 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I seriously question why a Chiefs fan's top priority is to post on a Bills board after a huge win.

 

 

Since you ask, my top priority is actually posting on a Broncos board after a huge win...this is the second thing on my list of post game fun.  Also...I've been visiting here a long time and have been involved of plenty of non KC related discussions here.

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Interesting enough they asked Kelce in the post game about winning so many games in a row in November December Kelce responds with coaching getting them ready to play their best ball.

 

Yet for us we always seem to have that lull mid season which probably again will cost us the one seed.

 

We still hold a lot of tiebreakers so we need the division first and maybe we can get a second home game out of it. 
 

But yeah our dreams may rest on Mcd Allen and Staff to win in Arrowhead again. 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Zerovoltz said:

Since you ask, my top priority is actually posting on a Broncos board after a huge win

 

Kind of beating a dead bronco, isn't it ? - )

 

 

[Zerovoltz]

Just now, buffblue said:

Cmon man. That stuff happens all game long by both teams in the NFL. Why choose to enforce it at that juncture? The letter of the law reasoning is pretty damn flimsy if you ask me

If you they don't throw the flag, what would it have been 4th down?  There is a reasonable chance KC converts it anyhow.  I wouldn't say it was the be all end all call of calls.  

Just now, Simon said:

 

Kind of beating a dead bronco, isn't it ? - )

 

 

John Elway runed my childhood.  It's thereputic.

[What a Tuel]

6 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Zero, what did you think of the call on Derwin James against Kelce? Am I a homer or blind for not seeing the penalty? Seemed like an absolute gift

 

Kelce does it every play and its infuriating. He engages a defender and then pushes off to disengage and somehow its defensive holding.

[MPT]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

I watched the whole game and honestly thought we had a solid shot at KC losing one.

 

NOPE...they are winners not losers.  

 

Only reasonable shot left for KC dropping even 1 more game is Bengals, and I don't see that working.

 

KC will likely win out and we ain't gonna catch 'em.

 

 

 

They were handed that game by the referees. Luckily that only works in a close game. They're not immune to bad games.

[Scott7975]

5 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I seriously question why a Chiefs fan's top priority is to post on a Bills board after a huge win.

 

 

Because we have the best MB in football and the Chiefs board is toxic as hell.  Like I think their forum is run from a prison full of rapists and murderers type bad.  That board is the scum of the earth and has no moderation.  If reddit had a darkweb underground (they might I dunno) it would be the Chiefs board.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

If you are referring to the holding call...It was holding.  I've seen games where some refs let that stuff happen all game, and sometimes they don't.  

 

FWIW, the ref that SNF has to refer to on plays like that....he agreed it was the right call.

The issue we, and many around the league, have with how Kelce is officiated doesn’t really have a ton to do with whether that’s a hold or not.  
 

It was borderline.  
 

It’s that Kelce has mastered the ability to manipulate offensive leverage of how the game is officiated. 
 

He holds and pushes off incessantly, so defenders are essentially forced to hold him back or get separated on when he lets go of the inside hold and pushes off.  
 

Also keep in mind when talking to Bills fans .. we dealt with this for a decade with Gronk. 
 

Nobody here has the patience to listen to why a fringe hold on a crucial, end of game, 3rd down was called. 

[Zerovoltz]

6 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Cuz there's better discussion here than on any team forum on the internet

This is 100 pct true.  The level of engagement for games that the Bills aren't even playing in is off the charts here.  This place is awesome!

[chongli]

6 minutes ago, Simon said:

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I have no idea what this rectangle symbol is supposed to be. This seems to happen when I view this site on my desktop.

 

This is how it appears to me:

 

Edited November 21, 2022 by chongli

[MPT]

2 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

If you they don't throw the flag, what would it have been 4th down?  There is a reasonable chance KC converts it anyhow.  I wouldn't say it was the be all end all call of calls.  

John Elway runed my childhood.  It's thereputic.

 

Combine that awful call with the intentional grounding non-call and the game is over. You guys needed two gifts from the refs to convert.

[Simon]

Just now, chongli said:

 

I have no idea what this rectangle symbol is supposed to be. This seems to happen when I view this site on my desktop.

 

This is how it appears to me:

 

 

 

It's a little dude's mind being blown.

[buffblue]

Just now, Zerovoltz said:

If you they don't throw the flag, what would it have been 4th down?  There is a reasonable chance KC converts it anyhow.  I wouldn't say it was the be all end all call of calls.  

True, there was still a chance for KC. But why do the refs interject themselves into the game at that point? It's hard enough to stop an Andy Reid offense as is without being completely deflated by a BS call. The Chiefs shouldn't require help from officiating that gives them a new set of downs

[Process]

Just now, chongli said:

 

I have no idea what this rectangle symbol is supposed to be. This seems to happen when I view this site on my desktop.

 

This is how it appears to me:

 

Just an emojis head exploding 

[MPT]

9 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

If you are referring to the holding call...It was holding.  I've seen games where some refs let that stuff happen all game, and sometimes they don't.  

 

FWIW, the ref that SNF has to refer to on plays like that....he agreed it was the right call.

 

"We have investigated ourselves and found no wrong-doing"

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 minute ago, Zerovoltz said:

This is 100 pct true.  The level of engagement for games that the Bills aren't even playing in is off the charts here.  This place is awesome!

Are you flirting with us?

 

[chongli]

Just now, Simon said:

 

It's a little dude's mind being blown.

 

Got it! Thank you. I don't know if this could be fixed, but @SDS probably isn't aware of this.

[Zerovoltz]

1 minute ago, buffblue said:

True, there was still a chance for KC. But why do the refs interject themselves into the game at that point? It's hard enough to stop an Andy Reid offense as is without being completely deflated by a BS call. The Chiefs shouldn't require help from officiating that gives them a new set of downs

to be clear we aren't talking about a ghost flag or something...there WAS holding on the play

[MPT]

Just now, Zerovoltz said:

to be clear we aren't talking about a ghost flag or something...there WAS holding on the play

 

Was that before or after the push-off? Maybe during? Hard to say.

[UConn James]

1 minute ago, chongli said:

 

Got it! Thank you. I don't know if this could be fixed, but @SDS probably isn't aware of this.

Isn’t that what shows up when one uses the emojis on your device’s keypad rather than inserting them by the pull-down menu for emojis on the posting format on-site here?

[buffblue]

1 minute ago, Zerovoltz said:

to be clear we aren't talking about a ghost flag or something...there WAS holding on the play

If that's holding then there should be a defensive holding flag called on every play in an NFL game. Yet curiously there isn't, except for late game situations involving certain teams. I wonder why that is?

[Simon]

Just now, Zerovoltz said:

to be clear we aren't talking about a ghost flag or something...there WAS holding on the play

 

Kelce initiated contact and tried to steamroll the guy who had established position before pushing off of him. Again.

There was zero reason for any stripes to reach for a flag there when two guys are battling for position late in a close game.

 

I'm not convinced they would have stopped them on the ensuing 4th / 4 but it was an ignorant call regardless.

 

[Buffalo ill]

I've just come to terms with Buffalo now filling the role for KC that Miami did for the Bills back in the early 90s.  

[EffKCChiefs]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

I've just come to terms with Buffalo now filling the role for KC that Miami did for the Bills back in the early 90s.  

Oh please, this rivalry is far from over. Pick out the wedgie in your undies and you will be fine. 

[MPT]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

I've just come to terms with Buffalo now filling the role for KC that Miami did for the Bills back in the early 90s.  

 

Maybe McDermott just needs to grow a mustache. I hear the refs love that "Andy Reid tickle" 

[Zerovoltz]

I'm not trying to be combative about this particular call...as I've said...I've seen that same thing not get flagged...seems like it varies from Ref to Ref.  If you guys want to hold up this parituclar call as being a game changer...probably there are better examples than this.  

 

1.  There was holding on the call.  The argument you are making is that the same thing wasn't consistantly called or that Kelce was pushing off etc.

2.  If no flag comes out, we don't know what happens on the next play,  It might be moot.  The flag impacted the game, but we can't say at all, if it changed the ultimate outcome.  it wasn't that kind of call.

3.  The call in and of itself wasn't incorrect.

 

 

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

I'm not trying to be combative about this particular call...as I've said...I've seen that same thing not get flagged...seems like it varies from Ref to Ref.  If you guys want to hold up this parituclar call as being a game changer...probably there are better examples than this.  

 

1.  There was holding on the call.  The argument you are making is that the same thing wasn't consistantly called or that Kelce was pushing off etc.

2.  If no flag comes out, we don't know what happens on the next play,  It might be moot.  The flag impacted the game, but we can't say at all, if it changed the ultimate outcome.  it wasn't that kind of call.

3.  The call in and of itself wasn't incorrect.

 

 

Are we talking about the missed OPI call?

 

Or the Defensive holding calls called and then not called?

Edited November 21, 2022 by Warcodered

[EffKCChiefs]

4 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

I'm not trying to be combative about this particular call...as I've said...I've seen that same thing not get flagged...seems like it varies from Ref to Ref.  If you guys want to hold up this parituclar call as being a game changer...probably there are better examples than this.  

 

1.  There was holding on the call.  The argument you are making is that the same thing wasn't consistantly called or that Kelce was pushing off etc.

2.  If no flag comes out, we don't know what happens on the next play,  It might be moot.  The flag impacted the game, but we can't say at all, if it changed the ultimate outcome.  it wasn't that kind of call.

3.  The call in and of itself wasn't incorrect.

 

 

 

Funny we didn't see you around here after week 6. You only show up after a win against a weak division opponent. You are like that turd that just won't flush. 

[chongli]

12 minutes ago, UConn James said:

Isn’t that what shows up when one uses the emojis on your device’s keypad rather than inserting them by the pull-down menu for emojis on the posting format on-site here?

 

I've used my device's keypad on Android OS (Samsung Galaxy), and it show up ok there, but I've never gone back and checked my post on my desktop. I will do it next time to see.

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

I'm not trying to be combative about this particular call...as I've said...I've seen that same thing not get flagged...seems like it varies from Ref to Ref.  If you guys want to hold up this parituclar call as being a game changer...probably there are better examples than this.  

 

1.  There was holding on the call.  The argument you are making is that the same thing wasn't consistantly called or that Kelce was pushing off etc.

2.  If no flag comes out, we don't know what happens on the next play,  It might be moot.  The flag impacted the game, but we can't say at all, if it changed the ultimate outcome.  it wasn't that kind of call.

3.  The call in and of itself wasn't incorrect.

 

 

It was a ticky tack call. If the refs called that every time, every game would have 80 penalties called.  Correct, according to the rule book, it’s a penalty.  Still a bad flag.  
 

You’re trying not to be combative because you know you got lucky that they threw it.  

[Zerovoltz]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It was a ticky tack call. If the refs called that every time, every game would have 80 penalties called.  Correct, according to the rule book, it’s a penalty.  Still a bad flag.  
 

You’re trying not to be combative because you know you got lucky that they threw it.  

I don't know how else to explain this.  

 

How do you get lucky the ref threw a flag on an actual penalty?  Also...if no flag it just goes to 4th and 4 I think...decent shot Mahomes converts...it might be moot.  The call wasnt a game changer.....

Edited November 21, 2022 by Zerovoltz
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