Diggs caught complaining to McDermott on broadcast

[HOUSE]

I hate to tell you guys this but this happens every week

Nice thread though.. 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

As a few people pointed out, McD handled this reallly well. Diggs did too. The embrace between those two was beautiful honestly. Almost fatherly. 

[Orlando Tim]

In NE last year Mackenzie was the star of the game and he did not complain, so what was the big difference yesterday when he complained? Our offense looked pathetic and we were losing. The dude wants to win and he knows he was open on some of those plays.

[Low Positive]

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’m not sure you’re correct that Diggs was open, but that wouldn’t be what hero ball is. That would be poor decision making if Diggs was open.

There was one play in the first half where Diggs found a gap in the zone and was wide open 30 yards down the field. Josh looked at him but choose the check down. I think this exchange happened right after that. 

[pocoboy]

The way he went to McDermott - and this is just me speculating - it looked like his body language was saying, "what did I tell you?" as much as anything. I'm guessing Allen & Diggs are getting sick of Ken Dorsey. He seems like the kind of guy who is arrogant & thinks every idea he comes up with ought to work (see the laptop suplex in Miami). My guess is he blames Allen, but it's highly likely his ability to draw up plays and understand offensive concepts is dwarfed by that of Daboll. Maybe that comes from the fact that Dorsey was a QB in college and the pros, and that in itself could breed ego.

[Warriorspikes51]

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Diggs was definitely barking yesterday. 

 

Helmet was on and off, and he was coming in and out of the game. 

1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:

There was one play in the first half where Diggs found a gap in the zone and was wide open 30 yards down the field. Josh looked at him but choose the check down. I think this exchange happened right after that. 

Yup, Diggs went in motion on that play and got a running start and it opened up beautifully. 

[DrDawkinstein]

6 hours ago, Rat-boy said:

It seems nobody wants to recognize the elephant in the room. It is always everyone else’s fault before Josh.
 

Blame HC, OC, O line, RB, secondary injuries…

 

Oh right, I forgot to blame Edmunds.

 

Josh not been elite these last few games and played a part in all three losses. Injury? Psyche? Slump? Dunno. But with all the injuries, sub-elite play from him led to a few close games. Hope he will break out of it.

 

That said, we are 7-3 and control our destiny to win the division. 1 or 2 seed depends on KC.
 

 

 

We've been talking about Josh's poor play and decision making for the last 3 weeks. There are multiple threads dedicated solely to that topic. How have you missed that?

 

We can also discuss other aspects of the team that are currently lacking as well.

 

 

[JackKemp]

15 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

This was right after Diggs and McDermott talked. I think Diggs was down/frustrated and McDermott settled him and then encouraged him to take charge of getting the offense pumped up.
 

 

[section122]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

 

All you McD haters need to watch this but you won't.  

 

He always has the right words to say. My head coach does a great job of keeping everyone level-headed and in the right space to go out there and execute.  Execution brings effort and effort brings execution.

[Fan in Chicago]

2 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

All you McD haters need to watch this but you won't.  

 

He always has the right words to say. My head coach does a great job of keeping everyone level-headed and in the right space to go out there and execute.  Execution brings effort and effort brings execution.

That sideline conversation looked like a mature, adult conversation between two passionate individuals

[May Day 10]

4 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

That sideline conversation looked like a mature, adult conversation between two passionate individuals

 

That's what I thought.  Just 2 professionals discussing the job on hand.  IMO, that is a great sign, especially seeing things got rolling a bit after that.  

Edited November 21, 2022 by May Day 10

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Warriorspikes51]

Diggs posted on his IG the clip of the TD and called it “a mf missile😩🔥💨” 

 

With “Josh threw it so hard he fell down😂”

 

I’d say we’re all good here boys!!

[dakrider]

Has anyone ever heard of a teams star receiver complaining about getting the ball to much?  Exactly.  They all say they need more targets. 

Edited November 21, 2022 by dakrider

[Simon Says]

Some people are so desperate for attention....they try to create controversy. You dont know that Diggs was "complaining ".

[Logic]

A player known to be incredibly fiery and passionate showed some frustration early in a game in which the offense was sputtering. The head coach then expertly diffused the situation, apparently offered the perfect words (which you could have surmised by watching the change in Diggs' body language when it happened, before even reading the post-game quotes about the situation), Diggs settled down, caught the go-ahead score, and the offense picked it up the rest of the way enough to score 31 points and secure victory.

We good here? Do we need to go another 7 pages?

[Fan in Chicago]

3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Diggs posted on his IG the clip of the TD and called it “a mf missile😩🔥💨” 

 

With “Josh threw it so hard he fell down😂”

 

I’d say we’re all good here boys!!

Josh - "You want the effing ball? Here is the effing ball"

[Dan Darragh]

Plagiarizing this from a really good postby drgonzo44 in the Bills Reddit.  It's too good not to share with this crowd. 

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

11 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said:

Plagiarizing this from a really good postby drgonzo44 in the Bills Reddit.  It's too good not to share with this crowd. 

 

 

Where is the amazing part? Rex Ryan was loved by his players too, and if had the benefit of the Bengals putting the Bills in the playoffs with his 9-7 record like McD did, maybe we'd probably be calling him a legend too - especially once he got Josh Allen.

Don't get me wrong, Process McClappy is a nice guy but I'm not sure he's a very good coach, let alone a legend.

Edited November 22, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[Dan Darragh]

The naysayers are the ones who are up in the middle of the night 🤪

 

Although I agree about Rex, he wasn't toxic, just a poor coach.  Now let's go get a goddam snack.

Edited November 22, 2022 by Dan Darragh

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

Where is the amazing part? Rex Ryan was loved by his players too, and if had the benefit of the Bengals putting the Bills in the playoffs with his 9-7 record like McD did, maybe we'd probably be calling him a legend too - especially once he got Josh Allen.

Don't get me wrong, Process McClappy is a nice guy but I'm not sure he's a very good coach, let alone a legend.

Can we stop pretending that McDermott is the only coach that claps during football games lol 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Where is the amazing part? Rex Ryan was loved by his players too, and if had the benefit of the Bengals putting the Bills in the playoffs with his 9-7 record like McD did, maybe we'd probably be calling him a legend too - especially once he got Josh Allen.

Don't get me wrong, Process McClappy is a nice guy but I'm not sure he's a very good coach, let alone a legend.

 

Not here he wasn't. His Jets players loved him but I have it on good authority he never won over the locker room here. It is second hand info but even when we were 5-2 or 5-3 the second year a respected vet in that locker room said "I'd take Marrone back in a heartbeat. He was an ass but we knew what he wanted. Rex is a clown." 

 

Slight paraphrasing but words to that effect. 

 

EDIT: Interestingly that player's theory was that Rex was a relic of the pre-2011 CBA era. His view (and he said widely shared in the locker room) was that Rex essentially tried to install way too much new stuff week to week on defense and that the 2011 CBA restrictions on practice time meant that there was insufficient time to learn it and as a result they were regularly calling stuff they hadn't practiced or had hardly practiced (he mentioned one specific goal line call they ran once in a walk through then called three times in the game that Sunday) and that led to all the confusion and breakdowns. The players told Rex this (and eventually told Pegula too) but Rex refused to change and instead told stories of when he stymied Brady etc. If you look at his career arc there might be something to it. 

Edited November 22, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Donuts and Doritos]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Can we stop pretending that McDermott is the only coach that claps during football games lol 

 

Geeze, you're right.

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[SydneyBillsFan]

McD is neither amazing nor terrible.

 

He is a fantastic guy to have if you want to improve a teams culture and level of professionalism. A true leader in that respect.

 

But he has also demonstrated on numerous occasions that he is bordering on being completely clueless and totally out of his depth when it comes to managing critical game day situations - particularly at the end of games.

 

He is a very likeable guy with great character traits but I am not sure that he is capable of leading this team to a Lombardi. I sincerely hope that I am wrong about this.

[T master]

On 11/20/2022 at 3:36 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Didn’t have enough targets at that point. He was pissed. Thing or not a thing?

 

I think some of it is his competitiveness & the other part could be that he was beating his guy & knew that if he was being targeted given the production in the passing game to that point that there could have been more because at 1 point Josh had only 21 yds in the passing game which SUCKED !! 

 

So i think it's a none thing because if things are working as we saw last season when Diggs targets went down but others stepped up & the production & wins were still there he was all good but when it's not happening some one needs to tell i like it is as long as it is in a leadership type action & not a diva distraction !! 

[Low Positive]

4 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Can we stop pretending that McDermott is the only coach that claps during football games lol 

For some reason coaches clapping really bothers fans. Indiana basketball fans hated Tom Crean's clapping. I mean, they really hated it. There were lots of reasons to hate Tom Creans coaching and recruiting, but the clapping is what brought about the most hate.

[BillyBilliams]

I don't blame him.  The team opened up with 3 consecutive 3-and-out drives.  They weren't moving the ball or scoring.  I'd be frustrated too knowing you're the team's best chance to win and you're not getting the ball.  It's one thing if the offense was running on all cylinders and he didn't have a target.  

[Shaw66]

I think McD was reminding Diggs that whatever they did right there would be on TV for the next week, so let's be sure we're calm.  Whatever needs to be said can be said behind closed doors.  

[BullBuchanan]

7 hours ago, KHAN said:

I got your Prcocess McClappy right here. Clown.

 

And what?

[BullBuchanan]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not here he wasn't. His Jets players loved him but I have it on good authority he never won over the locker room here. It is second hand info but even when we were 5-2 or 5-3 the second year a respected vet in that locker room said "I'd take Marrone back in a heartbeat. He was an ass but we knew what he wanted. Rex is a clown." 

 

Slight paraphrasing but words to that effect. 

 

EDIT: Interestingly that player's theory was that Rex was a relic of the pre-2011 CBA era. His view (and he said widely shared in the locker room) was that Rex essentially tried to install way too much new stuff week to week on defense and that the 2011 CBA restrictions on practice time meant that there was insufficient time to learn it and as a result they were regularly calling stuff they hadn't practiced or had hardly practiced (he mentioned one specific goal line call they ran once in a walk through then called three times in the game that Sunday) and that led to all the confusion and breakdowns. The players told Rex this (and eventually told Pegula too) but Rex refused to change and instead told stories of when he stymied Brady etc. If you look at his career arc there might be something to it. 

I remember hearing Dareus say the playbook was too complicated, but I have a feeling he would have thought a coloring book was too complicated. It's definitely a reasonable hypothesis though.

Still, Ryan averaged an 8-8 record while he was here and didn't have the benefit of a top 2 QB and a top 10 WR. McD ended our playoff drought with a 9-7 record while Ryan was only able to claim the first winning season in a decade with the same record. If Both Ryan and Whaley were allowed to stick around one more year and were able to select Mahomes instead of trading out of the pick when QB was a glaring need - I think Ryan's history would be written a lot differently.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I remember hearing Dareus say the playbook was too complicated, but I have a feeling he would have thought a coloring book was too complicated. It's definitely a reasonable hypothesis though.

Still, Ryan averaged an 8-8 record while he was here and didn't have the benefit of a top 2 QB and a top 10 WR. McD ended our playoff drought with a 9-7 record while Ryan was only able to claim the first winning season in a decade with the same record. If Both Ryan and Whaley were allowed to stick around one more year and were able to select Mahomes instead of trading out of the pick when QB was a glaring need - I think Ryan's history would be written a lot differently.

 

Ryan did not go 9-7 here. That was Marrone. Rex went 8-8 (and was 6-8 before beating a Dallas team on their 3rd Quarterback of the year and running for the bus and then the Fitz Jets to deny them the playoffs) and then 7-8 where his playoff dreams were dashed by Matt freaking Moore before being fired. 

 

And the player I quoted was not Dareus fwiw. 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Ryan did not go 9-7 here. That was Marrone. Rex went 8-8 (and was 6-8 before beating a Dallas team on their 3rd Quarterback of the year and running for the bus and then the Fitz Jets to deny them the playoffs) and then 7-8 where his playoff dreams were dashed by Matt freaking Moore before being fired. 

 

And the player I quoted was not Dareus fwiw. 

Fair enough, and I admit I was wrong about that. I'm still not sure a 1 win difference is significant though. Both Rex and McD had identical records over their first two years.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Fair enough, and I admit I was wrong about that. I'm still not sure a 1 win difference is significant though. Both Rex and McD had identical records over their first two years.

 

Indeed. But only one had made the playoffs, only one had changed the culture and only one had found their Quarterback. Sean McDermott is an infinitely better coach than Rex for this era's NFL IMO. Rex had his day. But it was long since over by the time he arrived here in 2015. 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Indeed. But only one had made the playoffs, only one had changed the culture and only one had found their Quarterback. Sean McDermott is an infinitely better coach than Rex for this era's NFL IMO. Rex had his day. But it was long since over by the time he arrived here in 2015. 

That's where I'm not so sure. More likelable? Absolutely. Softer hand? Absolutely. Infinitely better? I'm not sure he's infinitely better than anyone.

To me he's the re-incarnation of Marv Levy, and while that's a significant compliment as a man and a leader, it's also an indictment as a coach.

[Warriorspikes51]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I think McD was reminding Diggs that whatever they did right there would be on TV for the next week, so let's be sure we're calm.  Whatever needs to be said can be said behind closed doors.  

I imagine the Head Coach is more focused on the actual encouragement that he said he gave Diggs than what would be on TV

[Shaw66]

19 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I imagine the Head Coach is more focused on the actual encouragement that he said he gave Diggs than what would be on TV

Actually, I don't think so.   I mean, yes, he had the right message to encouraged him, but I think the first thing that McDermott was thinking was "we don't want this to get out of control right here."

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

I was very impressed with how McD, Diggs, and Allen handled this. I'm glad we got to see it on the broadcast.

[kota]

Pretty sure Diggs wasn't complaining.  He was frustrated for sure.  heaven forbid the HC sees it, calms one of his captains down and spreads his message.  Diggs visibility took a deep breath and rested his head on his coaches shoulder.  

McD is a great coach.  Glad we have him.  

[Preds]

11 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

McD is neither amazing nor terrible.

 

He is a fantastic guy to have if you want to improve a teams culture and level of professionalism. A true leader in that respect.

 

But he has also demonstrated on numerous occasions that he is bordering on being completely clueless and totally out of his depth when it comes to managing critical game day situations - particularly at the end of games.

 

He is a very likeable guy with great character traits but I am not sure that he is capable of leading this team to a Lombardi. I sincerely hope that I am wrong about this.

I 100% agree with this post, particularly the bolded part.